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On the Demonisation of Methamphetamine on Bluelight

Perforated said:
I know this is really the all about @unodelacosa thread, but I’d like to talk briefly about myself for a moment if we can squeeze it in.

I quit meth (hopefully permanently) just on 5 weeks ago. Prior to that, for the last 18 months at least 90 % of my posting on Bluelight was while high on meth.

At the beginning it was mainly during super intense 48-72 hour IV binges but since about 9 months ago (when Atelier3 was retired) it became primarily during all day and half the night sit on the sofa smoke-a-thons.

Has anybody noticed the difference! Has beeing meth free made me a better mod or contributor? Or is it still just same ole same ole.
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I’ve noticed a difference.

That said, I do miss the “good old days” (to a certain extent). We need to partner-up and write a Sci-Fi Movie, GX…
 
Best of Bluelight vote here.

@JackARoe That I can totally relate to. I still have reminisces about whatever drug I was on at a time that I was happy, and thinking that if I could just be on that drug again, then things would magically get better like they were. Super big fallacy (lol no pun intended). Shit is never the same, ever, anyway, so idk how I indoctrinated myself into believing that. People tend to love the past an awful lot.

Funny thing though too about this thread is that meth can actually make people see "demons", so it could be read another way lol. Gotta keep them demons from overrunning the Bluelight!
 
It took me 3 days to change out an electric water-heater while on meth. 9-5 I'd show up at the job with a co-worker, we'd go into the basement where the job was, and almost immediately start twirling the pipe. My phone alarm would go off at 5 and we'd part ways until the following morning, same thing for 3 days total.
After installing it finally (It wasn't a hard job at all lol). We decided to call it a day because of such a good job we did.
 
If you can do meth and stay sane and healthy more power to you. Lol I think heroin is far more dangerous.
 
relentlessgenjin said:
If you can do meth and stay sane and healthy more power to you. Lol I think heroin is far more dangerous.
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Comes down to the person taking the drug and all their particular stats, enzymes, metabolism, age, mental health, chosen route of administration and other factors.

A person who smokes some crystal meth on the weekends for kinky sex versus a dedicated and self-described heroin addict with tattoos designed to hide the track marks and a large multi-bundle-a-day-habit, and it’s no question which one is taking the larger risks, right?

But at the same time consider the college kid snorting little rails of “heroin” he scores through his connect in the nearest large city versus some 300-lb. toothless hillbilly from Montana who’s already had one stroke and can’t flex two of his fingers on his left side (and that’s not even the “stroke-side”), and this person strictly goes IV.… Weird mishaps and vehicular accidents notwithstanding, it’s pretty clear which one of those two has one foot in the grave already.
 
BenzoBrain^^ said:
I hate & love meth

I've made choices while on this drug that will affect me for the rest of my life, yet that hasn't stopped me from using it for some reason. Not sure why and probably never will be.

Also has anyone noticed what happens when they rub a shard between their index finger and thumb? Small bits of skin peel off!

Isn't that fucked or what?!
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Yeah. I pretty much came to the conclusion years ago that is not only caustic, it's sharp.
 
Just tossing this out there:

I've suffered through cocaine addiction, opioid addiction, benzodiazepine addiction, and methamphetamine addiction.
BUT my alcoholism has caused me far more problems of every kind than all those others combined. Yet most people can use alcohol with little or no consequence.
I've had wonderful spiritual experiences with LSD and psilocybin. These drugs have been extremely beneficial to me. But I've known a few people whom I think should absolutely never touch hallucinogens.
I consider cannabis one of the least harmful substances one can use. Yet I know that there are people whose lives have derailed from smoking weed.
And in the end, I'm pretty sure it's tobacco that will be the death of me.


Just sayin'
 
jasperkent said:
Just tossing this out there:

I've suffered through cocaine addiction, opioid addiction, benzodiazepine addiction, and methamphetamine addiction.
BUT my alcoholism has caused me far more problems of every kind than all those others combined. Yet most people can use alcohol with little or no consequence.
I've had wonderful spiritual experiences with LSD and psilocybin. These drugs have been extremely beneficial to me. But I've known a few people whom I think should absolutely never touch hallucinogens.
I consider cannabis one of the least harmful substances one can use. Yet I know that there are people whose lives have derailed from smoking weed.
And in the end, I'm pretty sure it's tobacco that will be the death of me.


Just sayin'
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I've definitely not shared psychedelics and dissociatives with people for this very reason. Some people should never try one or the other and some people should never touch either.

Stimulants are kind of that way, too. I've only rarely used a stimulant that wasn't something that produced a roll in the last 11.5 years. Never for more than two or three days.
 
jasperkent said:
Just tossing this out there:

I've suffered through cocaine addiction, opioid addiction, benzodiazepine addiction, and methamphetamine addiction.
BUT my alcoholism has caused me far more problems of every kind than all those others combined. Yet most people can use alcohol with little or no consequence.
I've had wonderful spiritual experiences with LSD and psilocybin. These drugs have been extremely beneficial to me. But I've known a few people whom I think should absolutely never touch hallucinogens.
I consider cannabis one of the least harmful substances one can use. Yet I know that there are people whose lives have derailed from smoking weed.
And in the end, I'm pretty sure it's tobacco that will be the death of me.


Just sayin'
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Alcohol definitely damaged my career, my character, my personality, friendships, relationships, and potential in life generally far more than any other drug. I am afraid of it and have not touched it in years except for pretend sips of wine to be sociable at some events. It did all that over about 20 years I guess. Of which I drank ‘socially’ for 5 amd to self-medicate or to get deliberately drunk for 15.

Meth on the other hand damaged my health, my cognitive skills, and my sociability or desire for social contact with lightning speed. Practically from the first IV shot. Cumulatively I have used meth for about 2 and a half years only in which I avereged using 2-3 days out of every 7.

Now I think about it, I’ve probably been thinking of meth as reasonably safe and benign because I’ve never been psychotic or really lost conscious control of my actions on it.

But because alcohol destroyed or removed all those very important things from my life years before I ever tried meth, there was never the opportunity for meth to ruin my life the way it probably would have if I had first got hooked at 18 or 21 and still with a lot of potential for success on life rather than at 40-something with an already totally fucked up life.
 
I plug meth

Would it be ok to mix a pinch of baking soda with it in the syringe? I want to make it less caustic
 
unodelacosa said:
Comes down to the person taking the drug and all their particular stats, enzymes, metabolism, age, mental health, chosen route of administration and other factors.

A person who smokes some crystal meth on the weekends for kinky sex versus a dedicated and self-described heroin addict with tattoos designed to hide the track marks and a large multi-bundle-a-day-habit, and it’s no question which one is taking the larger risks, right?

But at the same time consider the college kid snorting little rails of “heroin” he scores through his connect in the nearest large city versus some 300-lb. toothless hillbilly from Montana who’s already had one stroke and can’t flex two of his fingers on his left side (and that’s not even the “stroke-side”), and this person strictly goes IV.… Weird mishaps and vehicular accidents notwithstanding, it’s pretty clear which one of those two has one foot in the grave already.
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If you can use heroin responsibly more power to them I heard doctors writing books on drugs experts do it recreationally I should just stop worrying what drugs others are taking now
 
Perforated said:
Alcohol definitely damaged my career, my character, my personality, friendships, relationships, and potential in life generally far more than any other drug. I am afraid of it and have not touched it in years except for pretend sips of wine to be sociable at some events. It did all that over about 20 years I guess. Of which I drank ‘socially’ for 5 amd to self-medicate or to get deliberately drunk for 15.

Meth on the other hand damaged my health, my cognitive skills, and my sociability or desire for social contact with lightning speed. Practically from the first IV shot. Cumulatively I have used meth for about 2 and a half years only in which I avereged using 2-3 days out of every 7.

Now I think about it, I’ve probably been thinking of meth as reasonably safe and benign because I’ve never been psychotic or really lost conscious control of my actions on it.

But because alcohol destroyed or removed all those very important things from my life years before I ever tried meth, there was never the opportunity for meth to ruin my life the way it probably would have if I had first got hooked at 18 or 21 and still with a lot of potential for success on life rather than at 40-something with an already totally fucked up life.
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Meth make me sexual perverted in some way.Yes i can do a lot of work when i was doin meth...but all is about sex.At least in the beginning.They say after prolonged use meth inevitably turns your dick into "crystal dick" so may be at this point sex fun is over and man became ordinary addict.Horendous almost week depression after just a night on meth keeps me away from it.Last smoke before more than year.But it likes me yeah....
 
I am pretty sure that some drugs are a little bit more infamous for wreaking havoc on the lives of countless humans than others are, hence, a drug like Meth, for a disproportionate number of people, comparatively speaking. In other words, what percentage of all those who try Meth and become dependent on it actually, tangibly, increase the quality of their lives? How many do not? And for that matter, what are the consequences of an addiction to a drug like Meth for the average human being, and what of ourselves are we sacrificing in the name of any perceived benefit? And of course we can ask this about any drug available to us, and certainly big pharma's array of chemicals.

So yeah...all drugs are a risk to use. But some drugs, statistically and otherwise, are more risky to use and are far more destructive to the human being than others. I am no prohibitionist, of course, and I know people will do what they do. But working on the treatment end of things for a long time, I could tell you one train-wreck story after another, and there are many common denominators in the world of drug dependency, as we all know, but I do know that some drugs have a tendency of destroying people much faster and much more completely than others do. I think that anyone with any intuition and knowledge on the topic knows as much.

So a reasonable way to look at it is, "Has meth hurt or helped people more?", physically, emotionally, financially, relationally, psychologically, and spiritually?

A complicated question, in many ways. But when confronted with this rather pragmatic unit of measure, I believe the answer we all know is that it is the former, as opposed to the latter. We are all capable of self-deception, naturally, but some things you just cannot run away from. A simple risk/reward, cost/benefit analysis, and being as honest as we can be with ourselves in terms of why we make the decisions that we do is necessary.
 
Nas47 said:
Meth make me sexual perverted in some way.Yes i can do a lot of work when i was doin meth...but all is about sex.At least in the beginning.They say after prolonged use meth inevitably turns your dick into "crystal dick" so may be at this point sex fun is over and man became ordinary addict.Horendous almost week depression after just a night on meth keeps me away from it.Last smoke before more than year.But it likes me yeah....
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Yeah that's how I view it too. It's the ultimate drug for sexual hedonism imo. If I took it with a partner I could perform (although it'd usually be difficult to finish), but, mostly my preference would just be to hole up with a fat sack and a high-speed internet connection and just tug on that thing to my heart's content lol. Take MDMA with a partner, take tweak to learn how to love yo'self heh. Usually I wouldn't even be hard at all but it would still feel amazing. I'd always look at the weirdest smut too, stuff that after I came (48 hours later) I just thought, wow, did I really just whack it to that lol
 
I have only done methamphetamine once so I may not be super qualified to speak on this. But since I’m on a nice 30 mg dose of sorted mixed amphetamine salts rn I’ll go on a rant if I may…

Meth is certainly demonized. Bluelight less so than the real world, but it still exists here. I’ve never been a fan of the scare stories. They don’t dissuade anyone and I think they make it harder to recover when one does find themselves in a place if drug abuse.

I think many people can simply outgrow their addiction, if one even forms in the first place.

I do think that using amphetamines for functional purposes AND recreational purposes can lead to issues however. The line between pleasure and work is something that I think should be pretty strict. I have tried amphetamine once for the purpose of writing an essay, and after rereading it when sober my thoughts were clearly scattered despite feeling coherent while writing it.

And I don’t mean to disparage functional use, if that’s how the substance works for you. Just that I think it’s best to separate the two worlds of work and pleasure. I find amphetamine to be extremely pleasurable and partake about once a month. I don’t think I could simultaneously use it for work purposes too.

But hey that’s just me, do what you gotta do…
 
I think the problem with it is, it's difficult to isolate & compartmentalize your "recreational use" down in the same way you can other things. For example, you can easily be a "weekend warrior" with something like cocaine...have a few lines and laughs on the weekend, go back to your responsibilities and day job later on, no big deal

With speed, though...maybe it's different for heavy/habitual users, but buying 50 dollars worth of tweak on Friday night and still being wide awake with 0 sleep when Monday morning rolls around, that's not uncommon at all.

Put simply, it's just too strong of a drug.
 
You have a point there.

Personally I will do a couple lines in the afternoon and enjoy the rest of the day high. I make sure I go to sleep and don’t use the next day (or next month really).
 
^I agree.

In WWII the axis used meth and the allies used amp sulfate. The allies had the advantage cause they could take it, get in six hours of combat, then sleep.
 
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