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would you ever pay for sex?

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Atelier3 said:
Well adjusted people don’t pay. They reciprocate in multiple ways leading to an enriched life for both of them.

The way you express this makes it sound like most M/ F relationships are entirely devoid of emotional content.
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Yep. If you think you're just in a relationship for the sex. Well don't be surprised when it falls apart.
 
Normal job, let's take the girl who works on the fruit and veg counter, she's paid around $25/month working long hours 6 days a week. Or she can get $25/night lying on her back, along with presents, cars, accommodation paid for etc. Some of these expats out here are earning $1500/day, so they look after the girls pretty good.

Pretty much 99% of girls will sleep with you for money out here, it's fairly normal, if you think your sweet talking a girl back to your room, she'll be asking for money in the morning.
 
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JessFR said:
I don't know the incident you're referring to. But I don't recall there being any rule that says we're not allowed to dislike each other and express it provided it doesn't stay into outright attacks.

For instance saying "I don't like you and here are the reasons" is likely to be OK while saying "you're a cunt weasel cause you suck dickbag" probably isn't.

Additionally your posts getting deleted can happen for various reasons that may not be because you've broken any rules. It depends on the context and again I'm not aware of the situation you're referencing.

EDIT: so I just checked your recent posts and found your deleted posts... It was right next to my deleted posts. Mine gone deleted with yours. So I'd hardly call it a double standard. Looks like it was just off topic.
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No I think it absolutely depends on the mood, and more importantly their mood.
 
Do you think you're better off alone? Probably. If prostitute is the oldest profession, then drug dealer is the second.
 
Atelier3 said:
The sad thing is I suspect many of the attitudes you express are indeed also held by masses of men in many parts of the world. Mainly the unenlightened, uneducated masses of men.
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Sounds more uneducated calling hookers sex workers they are prostitutes, nothing else sex work is a term to ease the word whore.
 
JessFR said:
I didn't say you were a narcissist. It was an analogy.

You can't do anything about it? Rofl what do you just, have absolutely no control over what you say? Some kinda obsessive compulsive need to act like a douchebag?

It's real simple. Don't say shit that makes you sound like you think of women as of a similar value as a rental car. If you do, don't be surprised if a lot of people don't like you and you wind up with other antisocial douchebags as the only people who tolerate you. :p

Don't act like this is some pc police you're using the wrong words shit. I've on occasional had people get pissed off at me for using the word retard. Those people are the pc police. They don't like it even though it's extremely clear I am not using the word to denigrate anyone but idiots.

The words aren't the problem, the subtext is. That's what I'm having a go at you over.
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No I don’t think of women as the same value of a car.
 
LordOfThisWorld said:
Sounds more uneducated calling hookers sex workers they are prostitutes, nothing else sex work is a term to ease the word whore.
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Uh, no.

Cause the words aren't synonymous.

All prostitutes are sex workers not all sex workers are prostitutes.

Strippers are also sex workers, so are phone sex operators.
 
I have fortunately never had to pay for sex and likely never would pay someone, regardless. Even getting back into dating recently after going through a divorce and all of my health issues and destroyed body, I have been pleasently surprised that the majority of females seem to be completely unphased by any of it.
 
Atelier3 said:
Well adjusted people don’t pay. They reciprocate in multiple ways leading to an enriched life for both of them.

The way you express this makes it sound like most M/ F relationships are entirely devoid of emotional content.
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Sure, in a perfect relationship. But rarely the case. It depends.
 
TheInvisibleStoner said:
Never cash for sex.

You pay other ways, though.
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This portion is true, but it’s a bit more encompassing than the cold and transactional nature of explicitly paying for sex. I would much rather take a woman out on a date, make a mental connection with them and have the anticipation and build up of where the night will lead. It’s hard for me to equate the amount of money I paid on a dinner and spending time with someone and cultivating a relationship as “paying for sex.” Some women even prefer to pay, so are they paying me for sex then? :unsure:;)
 
Hell ya I would/have pay/paid for sex! Not joking, either. I like helping the local economy. :)
It has been a few decades but man that was a fairly beautiful time in my life.
Just got this to prove it:
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Deru said:
This portion is true, but it’s a bit more encompassing than the cold and transactional nature of explicitly paying for sex. I would much rather take a woman out on a date, make a mental connection with them and have the anticipation and build up of where the night will lead. It’s hard for me to equate the amount of money I paid on a dinner and spending time with someone and cultivating a relationship as “paying for sex.” Some women even prefer to pay, so are they paying me for sex then? :unsure:;)
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That is pretty much what I was saying. You definitely pay some cash when you get with a girl. Dinner, movie, etc. Hell, I'm still paying for health insurance for an ex.

However, you also pay other ways. Emotions, sleep, anxiety, you name it. Some girls will try and suck you dry of every last minute of your free time. Lets not talk about the crazy chicks that will try and key your car...

I find it funny that @Atelier3 wants to comment on my post saying no no no I am wrong and adults blah blah blah when 10 minutes later I read a thread he paid his ex his life savings.

Sure buddy....

Exactly what I meant. You're gonna pay regardless. Please tel me how how this situation "enriched" your life and was filled with emotional reciprocation? Sounds like it was completely a one way street, with the 1st part of the relationship only being an act on her end.

Takes years and years for someones true character to come out. Usually sooner. But have had girls pull a complete 180 on me after some time.
 
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TheInvisibleStoner said:
I find it funny that @Atelier3 wants to comment on my post saying no no no I am wrong and adults blah blah blah when 10 minutes later I read a thread he paid his ex his life savings.

Sure buddy....
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That's why she's my ex. It was an unfortunate and misguided marriage. It's unrealistic to expect that every single relationship or marriage one enters into will be fairytale perfect. I got married at 24'ish and by 35'ish I was a completely different person and so was she. We grew apart and found ourselves wanting different things in life. I left her. However, we had a child together and she wanted to take that child to another country.

I voluntarily and entirely of my own volition offered her my life savings because at that point in my life I was making about $250k per year and saw that I could easily give her enough money to buy a house and car in Australia while still being young enough myself to rebuild my assets without much difficulty. I saw it as as really a zero loss since the assets I gave her would be inherited by my child eventually anyway. So it did not matter if the kid inherited it from me or from her in the long run.

However, she liquidated the assets and took the kid to live overseas. I didn't see that coming but it simply proved to me that I had been correct in my assessment that we had different values and were not suited to be husband and wife. All it proves was that she was a selfish and manipulative individual (or had become one over the years). But my attitude to material things is easy come easy go so I didn't really get too burned up about the money. I was pissed off about being denied access to my kid though - that was the real trauma.

But I subsequently had another relationship with a different woman where we also had a child. This woman accepted me although I had no assets and was an undischarged bankrupt at the time. A year into that relationship I had a nervous breakdown and developed a serious IV coke addiction. This women then took a second mortgage on her house to pay $50,000 for me to attend a private rehab that absolutely saved my life. She was not a rich woman and had inherited her house from her grandmother and worked a fairly low wage job.

That's true love man. And not just romantic love - it's a kind of deep human to human love and generosity of spirit.

Since we've broken up we've remained friends and work together to mutually support our child. A few years later when my life was sorted and I had money again I offered her an all expenses paid trip to Paris or London out of gratitude for everything she had done for me. At that point I had not had sex with her for maybe 4 years (still haven't and don't want to). She turned it down but did accept a bit of help paying for some education to better her employment prospects in order to be able to make more of a financial contribution to bringing up our kid even though I never complained about the $2,000 in child support I was paying her a month.

So yeah. In my experience of the world and of women you and every other low-rent misogynist on this site are wrong when you use totalising language to judge, condemn, stereotype and otherwise condemn women and their capacity for generosity, selflessness and love.

I could relate stories of other extremely admirable and selfless women who have added wonderfully to my life but it would take too long and as @Sirena Oscura has recently pointed out to me, you guys that think like this NEVER adjust your attitudes or thinking in the face of evidence contrary to your prejudices.

I'm kind of sorry that you guys live in such a miserable and shabby world full of ugliness and darkness. You really should get out more.
 
Atelier3 said:
It's unrealistic to expect that every single relationship or marriage one enters into will be fairytale perfect
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Your post is tldr. But exactly what I was saying. Some relationships due evolve into that. But very few. Less so here in USA. Anyone I know married pretty much hate each other and on the verge of divorce.
 
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