DPT freebase

[negrogesic]

Anyone here have experience with smoking DPT freebase? The intranasal reports sound on the terrifying side, and ive found smoking tryptamines to be less anxiogenic (plus i'm not sure i can handle hours of it).

I'd have to convert it from the salt. If you have experience, how did you go about smoking it? Any quantitative (dose, duration) or qualitative descriptions would be very much appreciated too!

 

[Mondeva]

I am experimenting with the freebase these days, but only a couple times in 20 mg doses for now. I hope I will ramp up my tests to 40-50 mg. soon.

My experiences in the 20 mg. range were very interesting. It has similarities with DMT but with distinctive headspace and visuals, somehow darker colors both in closed an open eye visuals. The body feelings are also very similar to dmt: strong electric vibration along the body and intense euphoria.

Also, I use sodium carbonate to convert from salt to freebase. It is optimal because it is water soluble so I don't have to make molar calculations, just wash the excess with more water. This is my technique:

-Mix your DPT with at least 1/2 same ammount of sodium carbonate.
-Add distilled water dropwise, mixing it until you obtain a paste (don't add too much water, just enough for the paste consistency). Mix well and wait a couple minutes.
-Add more water to disolve the sodium carb. excess. Stir the paste a bit with a stick but try to maintain it together.
-Remove the water with a syringe or similar. You can repeat adding more water to rid off the last sodium carb. traces, but not really necesary.
-Let it dry before smoking. Actually it will never be completely solid, but more like a wax. You can smoke it now.

 

[perpetualdawn]

I've done basically what ^ Mondeva describes and it works well.

 

[negrogesic]

I am experimenting with the freebase these days, but only a couple times in 20 mg doses for now. I hope I will ramp up may tests to 40-50 mg. soon.

My experiences in the 20 mg. range were very interesting. It has similarities with DMT but with distinctive headspace and visuals, somehow darker colors both in closed an open eye visuals. The body sensations are also very similar to dmt: strong electric vibration along the body and intense euphoria.

Also, I use sodium carbonate to convert from salt to freebase. It is optimal because it is water soluble so I don't have to make molar calculations, just wash the excess with more water. This is my technique:

-Mix your DPT with at least 1/2 same ammount of sodium carbonate.
-Add distilled water dropwise, mixing it until you obtain a paste (don't add too much water, just enough for the paste consistency). Mix well and wait a couple minutes.
-Add more water to disolve the sodium carb. excess. Remove the paste a bit with a stick but try to maintain it together.
-Remove the water with a syringe or similar. You can repeat adding more water to rid off the last sodium carb. traces, but not really necesary.
-Let it dry before smoking. Actually it will never be completely solid, but more like a wax. You can smoke it now.

Thank you very much for this. My plan was to use sodium carbonate as well (thank you for the process description).

Have you tried the salt intranasally? It sounds like it can be a very challenging substance when taken intranasally, particularly at dose (some experience reports sounded frightening).

 

[negrogesic]

I've done basically what ^ Mondeva describes and it works well.

How would you describe it? What is the duration like?

I had a difficult experience once with smoked DMT (though other times were fine), and my understanding is DPT can be more difficult than DMT.

 

[perpetualdawn]

@negrogesic I actually don't like vaping DPT, but I think I don't like vaping drugs in general. It really weirds me out. I prefer intranasal for sure. It's not terribly uncomfortable and it draws the experience out longer. The effects aren't really different intranasally, just less compressed in time.

I actually never vaped enough to have a really strong experience on DPT, I always found it weird inhaling this gross tryptamine vapour and stopped before it got to be a big dose, and it was also harder to gague the dose because I never got that good at capturing all of the vapour in my lungs. I didn't have a great vaping setup.

It's been a while since I did it, so it's going to be hard to describe. I remember it hitting pretty quickly maybe 30s - 2mins for onset? In my notes it says peak was at about 10mins in, and then a ride back down to baseline over the next 2h. Big sensory enhancement, especially with music. It makes the mind simultaneously slower and feeling more potent. Synchronicity, profundity, novelty are enhanced. Some visual geometry. Time slows down a lot.

When I said that what Mondeva described worked well, I meant in the sense that the conversion works well to produce a vape-able product.

 

[negrogesic]

@negrogesic I actually don't like vaping DPT, but I think I don't like vaping drugs in general. It really weirds me out. I prefer intranasal for sure. It's not terribly uncomfortable and it draws the experience out longer. The effects aren't really different intranasally, just less compressed in time.

I actually never vaped enough to have a really strong experience on DPT, I always found it weird inhaling this gross tryptamine vapour and stopped before it got to be a big dose, and it was also harder to gague the dose because I never got that good at capturing all of the vapour in my lungs. I didn't have a great vaping setup.

It's been a while since I did it, so it's going to be hard to describe. I remember it hitting pretty quickly maybe 30s - 2mins for onset? In my notes it says peak was at about 10mins in, and then a ride back down to baseline over the next 2h. Big sensory enhancement, especially with music. It makes the mind simultaneously slower and feeling more potent. Synchronicity, profundity, novelty are enhanced. Some visual geometry. Time slows down a lot.

When I said that what Mondeva described worked well, I meant in the sense that the conversion works well to produce a vape-able product.

I see, thank you for the feedback. What were your intranasal doses like?

(Ever since i foolishly snorted 350mg of 4-aco-dmt due to benzo disinhibition ive been a bit wary of long lasting psychedelic experiences.)

 

[Mondeva]

Have you tried the salt intranasally? It sounds like it can be a very challenging substance when taken intranasally, particularly at dose (some experience reports sounded frightening).

Yes I have done some intranasal trials in the last couple years, before I started converting it to freebase for smoking.
It worked but the effects were a bit aleatory, sometimes more intense than others at the same dose level... and I didn't like the drip at all.
I tried up to 50/60 mg. snorted but it never was as intense as the 20 mg. smoked. But it was longer lasting, that was the only advantage I found.

 

[negrogesic]

Well i tried it.

I used sodium carbonate and it worked quite well, but also found that the salt vaporizes well on its own. I'll have to test it again but it seems like making the freebase might not be necessary.

It was exceptionally clear headed, not much anxiety. Didn't really remind me of DMT other than the abbreviated duration. Had sexual overtones which, while I had heard of, was not expecting.

Would need to try a higher dose.

 

[vgdess]

How were your subsequent trips? I'm also wondering what vape you used and if you recommend it since I'm looking to buy a vape primarily for this purpose.

 

[Pfafffed]

I found it to be deep and useful, but also creepy as hell. It gave me the willies for a week afterwards. If it were the only psychedelic in the world, I would be grateful to have it. As it is, I'll stick to things without the eerie horror show vibe.

 

[G_Chem]

How were your subsequent trips? I'm also wondering what vape you used and if you recommend it since I'm looking to buy a vape primarily for this purpose.

GVG, Glass vapor genie. It was expensive for what you get but damn does it work well. Note I’ve onky used varying forms of DMT in it but it vaporizes perfectly.

-GC

 

[G_Chem]

I found it to be deep and useful, but also creepy as hell. It gave me the willies for a week afterwards. If it were the only psychedelic in the world, I would be grateful to have it. As it is, I'll stick to things without the eerie horror show vibe.

That’s my take on a lot of RC psychedelics, not bad but really only useful if you got none of the classics available. 4-AcO-DMT being the only one I class up near the rest.

-GC

 

[Pfafffed]

I basically agree with you. That said, I could see this as having the mystery and the power and the glory of a classic, but for me it's vibe is just too persistently unsettling

 

[G_Chem]

^^Your not the only one I’ve heard that from. I was curious about it until I kept hearing it get called “DMT’s evil cousin” lol.

-GC

 

[hydroazuanacaine]

could this be iv'd to get the same "pillar of light" effect without making it into freebase first? crazy as it sounds, for a lot of these rc hallucinogens, i actually find it safer or "less dirty" is the right word. my lungs do not like vaped hallucinogens.

 

[tacodude]

The sexual overtones reminds me of how iv 4-aco-dpt the few times I managed to suspend enough in a solution within a rig as it's surprisingly insoluble in water even salted, but it is the most amazing unique psychedelic that is kind of normal space feeling of DMT rather then hyper space... Very warm, but very logical in an illogical sense. So logical it's illogical basically.

 

[negrogesic]

could this be iv'd to get the same "pillar of light" effect without making it into freebase first? crazy as it sounds, for a lot of these rc hallucinogens, i actually find it safer or "less dirty" is the right word. my lungs do not like vaped hallucinogens.

Yes it can be IVed as the hcl salt (the freebase). It is always sold as a salt unless otherwise specified. Here is a report on IV DPT:

"with 20mg, i.v.) There was dissolved 20mg DPT in .5mL sterile saline solution, injected as previously described. At 1 second, my whole visual field was disintegrating, as that familiar buzz-hum roared through my entire being. At 2 seconds, I felt a pressure around me — like I was in a centrifuge. At 3 seconds, this pressure became an unstoppable force, and I couldn’t tell if my eyes were open or closed. Kaleidoscopic motion rapidly decayed, swirling apart like galaxies bursting and losing all form, a chaos like every individual star moving in a different direction. I realized I was dying, but I was not afraid. Some part of me knew it was not a literal death of the body, so I thought “I accept this death”, and I died.

Infinite luminous light. Nothing. All.

I could not describe this eternal moment.

Ineffable, everything.

I opened my eyes, the visual noise gathering itself back into cosmic order. Once I was able to identify that I was back, the supreme intensity of the experience dropped as abruptly as it had begun. It felt like it had all happened in a second, but was in fact 15 minutes. I was speechless for several hours, completely rapt in awe and reverence."

 

[negrogesic]

On a side note i smoked some after smoking 4-ho-met and it was not a good combination, it made me feel dysphoric and surprisingly sober, but wore off as the 4-ho-met continued doing its thing.

 

[negrogesic]

That’s my take on a lot of RC psychedelics, not bad but really only useful if you got none of the classics available. 4-AcO-DMT being the only one I class up near the rest.

-GC

4-ho-met is a non classical psychedelic of tremendous value, it is my favorite psychedelic (though perhaps because i am not a hardened psychonaut). Its a simple drug with simple truths. It reminds me of the book of ecclesiasties.