Opioids Thebaine Toxicity in Poppy Seed Tea?

[draculic acid69]

I have felt that way sometimes however opium usually only has 1 to 2% of thebaine at most as far as I know and I usually do tea with 400mgs at most so that would be at most 8mg thebaine almost nothing.

I don't know how much thebaine it takes to feel it but out of 500 'batches' of seeds I've only felt it 3 times.they were definitely high thebaine strains.

 

[KnowsNotWhatItMean]

I've been wanting to share my thebaine PST horror story on this subject. I first got some high thebaine pods some years ago. Then, the symptoms consisted of moderate to extreme nervousness and additional shortness of breath. I had an unexplained grand mal seizure the same week I was going through this batch of poppies though it was far enough from a dose that it was undetectable in my blood. I was never really sure about the cause of this seizure until the following happened.

In 2015 and '16 I was using a very commonly used / reviewed brand of seeds. They were very strong, and were great for just a morphine effect at first. After a few months I had a habit of course.

It only took about one or two grams of them to achieve a nod. It started with panic attacks, accompanied by a pounding heart/ shortness of breath. I chalked it up to just regular respirtory depression, but this was different - There was a panic / confusion factor. If you get dosed with thebaine you'll know it. It's as dysphoric as the literature says it is.

The second thing that started to happen was when I would take a nap or try to sleep at all.. as *soon* as I started to drift into REM sleep, I would have a violent seizure like jerk. It was scary as hell. I had to dose this stuff, as I only had a 5lbs bag of seeds and no kratom or anything to fall back on and every time I tried to sleep, these convulsions would literally make me jump up off the bed.

I'm confident had I continued to take the particular batch of seeds I would have suffered further. I currently am doing well on kratom, but miss seeds. I play around with the idea of getting a pound every once in a while but I have trouble enough moving my bowels on daily kratom. With PST I have a daily impaction. I used to drink epsom salts daily just to go normal.

Careful with thebaine

That's horrible, you were never diagnosed with epilepsy? I thought that would happen acutely as in a case of thebaine OD, it's pretty concerning to find out that it is causing seizures after the fact. That's a pretty big deal.

I have been making it a habit lately myself, having seizures is more concerning to me than anything else.

 

[evo4ever]

If it was me and I stumbled across some high content Thebaine pods I'd try and extract and isolate the Thebaine and turn it into Oxycodone! Did u know Thebaine is the main precursor chemical for Oxycodone synthesis? With a little "tweak of chemistry" you could turn that nasty Thebaine into something very pleasurable!!! Obviously you'll need some chemical engineering knowledge, you can find the Thebaine->Oxycodone formula somewhere online, google it! It's actually not that hard to do.

 

[Ganjcat]

I've also noticed this shortness of breath and tension in the chest when taking poppy seed tea. It begins really quickly, before I've managed to drink even half of the stuff. The poppy seeds sold over here are so low in alkaloids that you need 1000-1500 grams for a good dose, so it's a volume of about 2 litres to drink and you can't down it very quickly without getting nauseous. Without that anxiogenic effect it would be a lot more addictive, I think. The full stomach after drinking it makes that feeling of tension even worse.

I took a dose made from over a kilogram of seeds less than a week ago, and experienced probably the strongest opiate high I've ever had, with open eye visuals similar to static on an old television screen but colorful instead of gray. Never had hallucinogenic effects from opioids before... Maybe it's the small kappa agonist effect of morphine.

How do you go about swallowing all that liquid can you boil it down without destroying the opium, also do you need to use lemon juice when washing can you just use warm or cold water and ofc which is better cold or warm water I know a place near me that sells them for 100g/£1

 

[Ganjcat]

If it was me and I stumbled across some high content Thebaine pods I'd try and extract and isolate the Thebaine and turn it into Oxycodone! Did u know Thebaine is the main precursor chemical for Oxycodone synthesis? With a little "tweak of chemistry" you could turn that nasty Thebaine into something very pleasurable!!! Obviously you'll need some chemical engineering knowledge, you can find the Thebaine->Oxycodone formula somewhere online, google it! It's actually not that hard to do.

Please please please can you pm me some of that "knowledgeable" its for a good cause

 

[polymath]

How do you go about swallowing all that liquid can you boil it down without destroying the opium, also do you need to use lemon juice when washing can you just use warm or cold water and ofc which is better cold or warm water I know a place near me that sells them for 100g/£1

Maybe drink a 200 ml at a time, then wait 5-10 minutes and drink some more. When you start feeling nausea and excessive salivation, you just have to tough it out to not puke and lose the dose. The poppy seeds sold in USA and Australia contain much more alkaloids that those sold here, even 300 grams can be an overdose for someone without tolerance. Heating will destroy some of the alkaloids, but then again, they are also heated when producing heroin or hydromorphone without the yield being poor so most of the alkaloids should remain intact. Lemon juice is not necessary, just don't use the coldest water possible when doing the extraction (30 degrees Celsius should be fine).

 

[Ganjcat]

Maybe drink a 200 ml at a time, then wait 5-10 minutes and drink some more. When you start feeling nausea and excessive salivation, you just have to tough it out to not puke and lose the dose. The poppy seeds sold in USA and Australia contain much more alkaloids that those sold here, even 300 grams can be an overdose for someone without tolerance. Heating will destroy some of the alkaloids, but then again, they are also heated when producing heroin or hydromorphone without the yield being poor so most of the alkaloids should remain intact. Lemon juice is not necessary, just don't use the coldest water possible when doing the extraction (30 degrees Celsius should be fine).

Cool cool

 

[KnowsNotWhatItMean]

How do you go about swallowing all that liquid can you boil it down without destroying the opium, also do you need to use lemon juice when washing can you just use warm or cold water and ofc which is better cold or warm water I know a place near me that sells them for 100g/£1

Boiling gave me a different high, not very enjoyable and it makes it turn into a milk which is harder to get down, if you use hot water it does extract the alkaloids a bit better, but the seeds absorb half of the water, which you probably want to avoid, I've been finding that shaking it vigorously inside the bottle is the way to go about it, you can use warm water, not too hot because hot water will also destroy the bottle, you can use about 2x water to seeds or a bit less and some lemon juice should help, but shaking properly seems to be the most important factor. When doing it for the first time especially if your tolerance is low just take it easy and stick with a low dose, 100 g is ok, drink it slowly and then you can decide if you want more.

 

[Xorkoth]

Please please please can you pm me some of that "knowledgeable" its for a good cause

We don't discuss how to synthesize drugs, but thebaine is the precursor to many synthetic opioids including fentanyl and oxycodone. However you can't just do some kitchen chemistry, it involves complex chemistry and requires a lot of knowledge, equipment, and other chemicals.

 

[GetMeOutOfThisCRAP]

My experience with poppy seed tea was extreme itchiness and being spaced out for an ENTIRE WEEK. The euphoric part was a couple of hours day 1. However, I kept waking up day after day with brown/dark yellow urine and scratching about hoping it goes away. It was like I was having a bizarre reaction to the alkloids. Dunno if this has to do with a reaction to the thebaine.

 

[G_Chem]

Yea anyone that thinks Thebaine to Oxycodone synthesis is “easy kitchen chemistry” obviously has never done attempted it. Please don’t talk like it is some “simple tweaking” as you put it.

For most synthesis processes, if you can’t figure it out on your own through references and search engines than it’s above your chemistry skill. It’s the brutal honest truth that will save you a lot of time, money, hassle and health.

-GC

 

[negrogesic]

Cold water preferentially extracts morphine but leaves thebaine less involved. Hot water increases extraction of both, resulting in more side-effects.

Personally, i prefer hot water because the resulting solution contains higher levels of morphine, but it is certainly clear that the side-effects increase with hot water.

When i used to use poppy pods daily, i would grind them up and put them into a stove-top espresso maker. This used pressure and steam to extract everything, and then id make a second pass. The resulting brew was bitter as hell and strong as an ox. Morphine can tolerate far more heat than most people realize. Of course, i was getting every single other alkaloid present in the process.

 

[KnowsNotWhatItMean]

I've personally tried all possible techniques and ended up settling down with fanatical shaking which yields the most result out of smaller amounts of seeds, after many attempts using greater amounts of seeds at which most of the time I felt didn't work at all, I've been finding that shaking definitely seems to work better for me even with half amount of the seeds used I even had a nod today and it's all about shaking in a very quick and vibratory fashion. If I use hot water it gets too messy, the seeds swell up with water and I end up losing half of the stuff.

 

[Xorkoth]

I used to always use lukewarm water with some citric acid (generally I used lemon lime Gatorade because I'd also use the plastic jug from the 128 ounce giant size or whatever number of ounces it is as the bottle to shake it up in), and shake vigorously for 7 minutes, unscrew the cap a couple of turns and squeeze it all out. Then do a second pass. After that, it would start to get weird and cloudy/oily and not worth doing more. I didn't like it with hot water, much less good of a high and the seeds absorb most of the water and it fucks everything up.

 

[KnowsNotWhatItMean]

I use lukewarm water too and it works fine even without acid, I've used up all of my lemons so far and am now waiting for some ascorbic acid to arrive, in the meantime I've been shaking it for 20 minutes until it gets most saturated to a point where you can't see daylight through the liquid anymore, but it doesn't taste weird at all, as it would if hot water was used.

Btw, I say nod because I'm assuming that's what it was, I've had a perfectly good amount of sleep prior, I woke up today, made some tea, then I decided to get in bed watch a documentary on my phone and then I just felt like I wanna close my eyes and nothing else mattered and I fell asleep within an hour or two I call it a nod, although not much euphoria or side effects were present.

 

[KS78]

You don't need acid (lemon juice) or hot water. Once you wash the seeds, you can simmer it till it reaches the amount of liquid that you are comfortable with, just try not to boil it. People are trying to be too gentle with poppies or seefs which you don't need to be. If your material is fine quality, it's very hard to mess it up.

 

[sassyfrass]

Does Oxy have any of the toxicity since its chemically similar?
would be interesting to know.

 

[KS78]

It has a more stimulating effect than opiates, othr than that, I can't say that it has similar toxicity.

 

[GetMeOutOfThisCRAP]

People who used poppy seed tea daily... how did you deal with the withdrawals? If you stay in the same location there's no reason to withdraw, but inevitably there's always occasional situations where you have to leave your home town for a while. Did you guys just taper down before that?

The withdrawal is just so unfathomably horrific I can't imagine how one could just "bite the bullet" and withdraw in a new location when the time came. I know people have even gotten on Suboxone after seed tea use because it's so potent. I know many have made it a lifestyle but I'm just trying to figure out how lol. Even heroin withdrawal seems more manageable. Unless ya'll have figured out a handy way to transport it but I feel like it would spoil quite fast if contained. I mean if one was withdrawing from morphine alone okay--pretty bad but doable--but it's like you're withdrawing from the plethora of alkaloids instead of just one.

 

[KnowsNotWhatItMean]

People who used poppy seed tea daily... how did you deal with the withdrawals? If you stay in the same location there's no reason to withdraw, but inevitably there's always occasional situations where you have to leave your home town for a while. Did you guys just taper down before that?

The withdrawal is just so unfathomably horrific I can't imagine how one could just "bite the bullet" and withdraw in a new location when the time came. I know people have even gotten on Suboxone after seed tea use because it's so potent. I know many have made it a lifestyle but I'm just trying to figure out how lol. Even heroin withdrawal seems more manageable. Unless ya'll have figured out a handy way to transport it but I feel like it would spoil quite fast if contained. I mean if one was withdrawing from morphine alone okay--pretty bad but doable--but it's like you're withdrawing from the plethora of alkaloids instead of just one.

There's been another thread in here recently on poppy seeds withdrawal.

Poppy seeds withdrawl

Hello everyone, I am thinking of quitting poppy seed after a year of regular use. I am making 200gram* 3 times a day for a year now. If I miss a day the next day will be sleepless night with restless dull pain in my leg. I read IMGOLLUM post earlier which motivated me to get off of it. How long...

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The member was looking for help in getting off the tea, apparently has been drinking it every day for a year and it seems that they are feeling good now after a couple of days withdrawing.