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Meth ⫸Methamphetamine Megathread⫷

"If they're policing meth in your area" lol, makes it sound as if there's some stateside Hyper(active)borea, where everyone's living life in that fast lane, son, cause there are no others to choose from. Go fast, or go home!
 
Hey all, so this dog my neighbor walks uses a water pipe to smoke some of that ice. Now, recently that dog added essential oils to the water in the setup (one drop peppermint & one drop of eucalyptus). Now, using the water for that zooty zump, is that super bad due to the highly concentrated nature of the essential oils? Also when inhaling through the water pipe, does the essential oil interact with the ice at all?

Any answers appreciated as the dog has been trying to fetch info on this for quite some time ? stupidly since it was a while ago and recently dawn on the pup that he may or may not have the best approach.
 
Please drop the dog thing, it's obvious you're talking about yourself, and offers no legal protection. Is it bad/does it interact with the meth vapor that's being filtered through the water? I really don't know anything about essential oils, but I really can't imagine why anyone would add it to their meth bong water.
 
No SWIMing and no dogs allowed, except for actual meth-bonging, essential-oil huffing ones, which, though you may scoff, do exist; one of them behind me right now. All the shards on my fingers and floor and desk and bathroom and kitchen, it's no wonder the cat is jumping at random spots on the wall at 3:30am and my dog seems to be talking to her self.

Then again, I'm pretty high too, so it might be just me. Anyway, adding oils seems really weird to me. I still can't get the stale-toothpaste minty taste out of my mouth after using old nicotine gum to seal the holes in the plastic peanut cannister I used for my DIY mark 1 meth bong.

BUT, the meth molecule isn't very reactive by itself, it's fairly inert and stable. Essential oils are, y'know, oils. Meth-HCl, being charged, would stay with the water phase and never interact with the water-fearing oils.

BUT BUT, sorry "dog", you bring up a great and, in fact, timely mystery around vaping meth. An open question that a real chemist could answer real fast: what is the protonation state of the meth when it leaves your bowl? Sure, it's the acid salt you put in your bowl, not the base. But there's some issues with vaping a salt, and the possibility of meth base actually vaporizing along with tooth-rotting HCl gas. These would possibly recombine on the way down the pipe and into your lungs.​

This makes the feasibility and yields of drawing the vapor through water questionable. If the meth is the protonated, acid form, it's water soluble. You're leaving all your drugs behind in the bong water. If it's in fact predominately in the base form, it would not dissolve in the water. At a different time months ago while high, I proposed an experiment wherein the pH change of the water after a long session could be used to answer this question. And a multimeter could be used as a pH meter.

Well, I tried to DIY the vapor in my bong to actually pass through water, but there were multiple issues with my designs, and I barely escaped with only one reflux explosion.

So I don't know if it would interact with the water or the oils. But, even if it was in the oil phase, I doubt either inert compound will react. Personally, I wouldn't want to huff that much essential oil. Keep in mind this is 400F gas hitting it, too. There are anecdotes of kids and pets getting sick from concentrated tea tree oil. I'd stick to one toxic vapor at a time, mainly the one that gets you high.

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EDIT: to those who say, why are you bonging if your bong has no (actually a tiny bit) water? How is it a bong? Well, it's just a chamber so that 200C jet of vapor doesn't keep searing a hole in my tongue. I have a broken pipe bowl with a bend going into a mason jar, with a plastic straw to draw from. Tiny puddle of water on the bottom, keeps things moist and lets me get the full lung-full massive draws and subsequent fog banks I deserve. Yes I'm proud of my new arts&crafts baby.

Also, as stated, the question of how much you'd leave behind in the water is an open question (for me). In a weed bong, it's actually filtering particulates; the oily THC goes right through. Not necessarily the case with meth, which (should) have no particulates to filter.
 
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I can't help but think that the oils in the bong make for a horrible taste on the inhale. Does it, OP?
 
Thuggybee9 said:
Awful headache immediately after shooting. This ever happened to anyone else?
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I'm not an IV user but have suffered headaches after dosing other routes before. Was usually due to being dehydrated and/or malnurished from neglecting to eat. Or sometimes I had just been on a run for too long and the doses needed were just getting too high, so the headaches meant I needed a break for a few days.
 
Awful headaches right after any ROA is a sign something's wrong, unless it's trepanning, in which case, probably right method, but not an ROA I'd recommend.

I'd try to stick with smoking for a bit, see if it still happens.
 
For what it's worth. I'm gonna write this to help anyone considering coming off of meth. I used to do meth for about 5 years. It completely ruined my mind. Turned me into a paranoid wreck.
It made me have bizarre delusions and I had many embarrassing hospitals visits as a result of it. Meth psychosis lasts much longer after you quit doing meth.
I was smoking and switched to IV when I picked it up again because of a roomate that was staying with me. It will def ruin you brain guys. Please get out of it and stop doing it as soon as you can. Meth will make you crazy.
 
^I hear you bro been thru the same damn thing, clean for about 6 months and haven't been a daily user for two years but still struggle. I turned to alcohol after realizing I could never possibly touch meth again if I wanted to retain any shred of sanity, and gave myself some type of anxiety disorder. Along with an intense paranoia that strikes out of nowhere. Not in the stereotypical schitzo hearing voices hallucinating etc but sometimes I become 100% convinced that something terrible out of my control is about to happen. Kinda like panic attacks with an element of residual meth psychosis I guess. Nowadays I mostly smoke weed and it has helped alot. I can no longer touch coffee it sends me into a panic attack. I used to be a speed freak and never thought i would get off it but the anxiety and paranoia did my head in until I had some sober time and decided enough is enough. Still have drug dreams and cravings but slowly going back to normal.
 
End your methamphetamine addiction with ibogaine

The first and most important requirement is that you have to be 100% ready to be done with drugs — that you are mentally, emotionally, spiritually and physically ready to fully surrender yourself and accept plant medicine healing in your life. You have to know what you want and mean it. Ibogaine will work for you only if you are ready.

If you are not ready to take full responsibility over your life and choices, then ibogaine treatment is not for you.

Methamphetamine is a poison that acts as a stimulant but then begins to systematically destroy the body. Meth releases high levels of dopamine when ingested and then blocks the normal
flow of dopamine in the absence of the drug. This involves the reward system that regulates pleasure, happiness, motivation, energy, and functional ability. Meth changes the way the brain functions; and the brain becomes dependent on the drug to survive. Prolonged meth abuse brings with it serious health conditions including memory loss, aggression, psychotic behavior and potential heart and brain damage depleting the bodys resources, The physical effects start to deteriorate the body from the inside out, creating a devastating dependence that can only be relieved by taking more of the drug.

Ibogaine methamphetamine detox therapy: What to expect

At the heart of all addictions, it first began on a spiritual and emotional level. This is the also why many rehabilitation programs such as the twelve-step program have proven unsuccessful
in the long term because traditional detox therapies only work to heal the physical level, where the current rate of success is about 1% - 7%. Too many people who have been through these expensive and ineffective programs end up with a sense of despair, and even a sense of personal failure. Most rehabilitation centers and western society in general, are not aware that humans exist in 3 worlds: physical, mental & spiritual. While there are on-going support groups for addicts trying to kick their habit, symptoms of withdrawal can be so overwhelming that attempts to discontinue the drug often end in failure.

Physically ibogaine works to relieve symptoms of withdrawal such as sweating, itchy skin, shakes, and twitches that users of meth often feel after the drug has worn off. Patients that have used ibogaine for treating meth addiction report a complete absence of physical symptoms once treatment is over. Ibogaine works by resetting neurotransmitters in the brain. It also works as
a psycho-spiritual tool that helps the person look deeply into his / her past to find the root problem of their addiction. Addicts are usually victims of deep emotional traumas who are seeking to find an escape of this through their drug of choice. The key to breaking your addiction to meth is understanding this:

Ibogaine takes you on a deep introspective psychological journey that allows you to forgive others who have hurt you as well as forgive yourself for things you have done that you regret and continue to carry with you.

Ibogaine therapy can provide individuals with critical insights into the origins of their addiction. This is the key to full recovery: digging up and reviewing the roots of addiction. These profound realizations contribute to full recovery and a deep new found appreciation for ones life. Once the iboga has broken your addiction, the next step is to rebuild the body and mind with nutritional medicine and supplements. It is this extra step that can increase the chances of a lifelong recovery from addiction. While ibogaine is not successful 100% of the time, estimates from the various clinics range between 70% to 80% in terms of the number of people who successfully use iboga to get off drugs permanently, which, let's face it, is amazing.

The difference between your success or failure will depend on whether you are

1. Committed to the process of recovery
2. Committed to removing yourself from your previous environment
 
I appreciate the sincerity in this thread, meth is ultimately the the worst dead end street that won't take your life with the convenience of an overdose like other drugs do, and that I suppose is a good thing because it has kept us all here.

headaches from meth, and I would imagine shooting would make this instantaneous, are sometimes directly related to the tension in certain muscles around the neck and head. take some benzos and you might notice it go away. this has happened to me many many times.

also thanks for the lecture on Ibogaine and recovery but I think we're aware of it by now. It got William S. Burroughs off of heroin, but he went back to the needle life in maybe ten more years. It's not entirely safe either; I knew of a guy trying it at a clinic in Mexico to get off heroin and the Ibogaine caused a heart attach of sorts, and he died right then and there. Suppose his intention was where it ought have been tho....
 
Hi everyone,
ive a question. I’m a heroin addict who is on suboxone maintenance. I’ve been back to meth after many years, always IV. I have never had the “rush” people talk about, and I wouldn’t particularly describe it as euphoric. I’m certainly wired and chatty (if not alone), I’m wondering if the suboxone is blocking some of the euphoria. Anyway, I’ve never had the cough either. I do have needle fever, a fascination with the ritual of shooting up. I try not to redose but I always do, even if there’s barely any dope and mostly water. I keep redosing to seek that euphoric feeling I know I won’t get, partly just to do it. I get a rush from seeing the register in my rig once I’m in a vein. Often I end up doing WAY, WAY more than I can handle. Instead of cleaning the house as planned, I spend hours combing forums for reassurance I’m not going to have a heart attack. any thoughts?
 
well, i'm sure a lot of us can certainly relate to these behaviors of yours, but if your question is whether or not suboxone is keeping you from getting that rush you expecting (had you experienced before, pre-suboxone? cuz you say then that you have never had "the rush").....some people just don't get the same rush from meth as others, or else it's your own brain that 's too depleted of dopamine to provide you with one. I never felt much of one when I tried IV, but ten again I didn't try very hard (low doses). i had a friend once whose drug of choice was crack, but after he moved back home he switched to meth, and after years of meth smoking he got into the needle thru heroin, and the needle when it came to meth he said it just wasnt that good. this could have been because he was most used to the rush of crack and heroin that had gotten him axquainted with those rushes. I def recall him saying that shooting up a syprup of a gram pf meth only produced the sensation similar to what you describe, instant inpleasant heart attack feeling. but seriously, try replenishing dopamine first. get some sleep and eat a few meals and do a bit of exercise. you'll have more brain to rush you...


also its pretty common to start out thinking you're becoming a productive human while on speed, then find yourself combing the forums looking up the keys to a success life,every morning....then missing out on it in the process
 
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Does anyone know about the effects on the body when iving meth while you have walking pneumonia and an infected root canal? Im on strong antibiotics. But i just used and now (of course (not before)) im thinking about if its safe with what im going through or what i might be faceing for the next day or two while i come down. Any information would be extremely helpful if even just to eaze my high mind tonight. Thank you :)
 
Ive had that happen a few times it came happen for a few different reasons. Either its cut with something that makes that batch seem to make you experience that reaction or it can also happen if your on a binge and been up for more then even only 24hrs. Which sounds funny because when im on shitm up for days but the longer u are awake and the more often the binges are the more of a chance for a random shoot like this. Or its could also be you just need food and lots of fluids. I know for me some shoots more then others cause me to be more dehydrated and once i get the water i need the headache goes away but also try to make sure u eat if u dont feel like it due to being high because in the long run the come down will feel so much better and your high will probably even improve suprisingly because you wont come down as fast.
 
You should be fine, man. The comedown though is where your immune system is lowered.. and the meth/active cuts may mess somewhat with antibiotics (or vice versa) because alot of antibiotics tend to be hard on the liver. This affects ppl differently though, like one person could have an adverse reaction another can be fine. Kinda like playing with fire, which is what meth already is.

To whoever mentioned bupe/meth combos, the only time this has been good was when i was still taking bupe to get high. Would crush up 1/8 of a 8mg and put it in a line with some meth. The effect was somewhat nice but blunted... i.e. i couldn't really feel anything and would end up staring at the wall/zoning out for hours. Once I was actually dependent on the bupe to feel "alright" shortly after waking up, it mostly served to blunt my meth high. I was a really raw type of user though and very irresponsible, hard to describe it, but my 2-3 day iv benders would only be curtailed by how tired/terrible I felt, I'd be cottonmouthed like crazy and spun out of my damn mind, unable to even take a sip of water without forcing it down until 24 hours after my last hit simply because how much I was doing and how strongly it was affecting me.. and I would be able to recover over the next week or two. So when I really couldn't feel shit due to high daily amounts of bupe, I felt free to smoke as much as I pleased "for real", which was terrible because I ended up frying my brain ten times over.

The most euphoric rush I've ever had was IV meth + quality black tar h. You dont really need that much meth at all, perhaps 1/3 of what you put for the h. Rushes were insane. But insanely dirty as well. Still not sure how I recovered from that, because I kept bouncing back but eventually when I stopped for some time it was like all hell crashed down and from then on I was unable to enjoy myself (and I kept using for another 2-3 years so.. yeah I was a fucked up individual and in many regards still am.)
 
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