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Lysergamides The Big & Dandy AL-LAD Thread - Part 3

Much less body load than LSD. I get a body load on like 50ug LSD (probably not these days, I feel like I am getting more and more comfortable with psychedelics as I continue to trip out, and also taking higher doses... my brain is totally fried still. I'd probably take a ten strip of lsd next time too) but on 1400ug AL-LAD I did not have one (1500 micrograms sorry haha, 10 hits). I'd give yourself 3 days to recover with this type of dose. You have to take a high dose, higher than acid. Very colourful psych. Also, whenever I closed my eyes, whatever I thought about in my mind would appear in front of me so it can have CEV too. At the peak I couldn't see around me too there was so much colour and fractals.
Profound too. I felt like my good friend had the exact opposite life as me so far. Tried explaining but it is too hard. I had some profound thoughts about little/big brothers and how it affects ya. I just tripped the fuck out, to understand you would need to have experienced my life from birth. haha. There was to so thing as well. Life only a dream, and we're the amazing of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather. lol. That is seriously what it was like.
I was never afraid or anxious to and I have a panic disorder. It was amazing but holy fuck am I exhausted from it. For something with such light body load to psychedelic effect, it really wiped me out. Didn't leave my bed yesterday while recovering and also I slept for the longest sleep ever. Acid I can't sleep for like 20 hours after the trip. I'm still seeing these colours on the screen. Light pink, yellow, and green. It was like me and my friends laughing out asses off after life was said and done about how my life was played out reverse time. Also, duality. Duality was a huge part of the experience.

This just totally changed my life. It brought me to tears. I truly see it as the culminating experience of my existence. I can see through logic how this is going to change my life.
My memory is fried though. The message I got was that there isn't much time in life. I love my life and myself and I do no want to waste any time on this planet. I'm going to keep up with my hobbies every day, start taking job applications seriously, get the fuck out of this place more often and possibly chill at the beach with a friend today. I am going to address my benzo and opiate habits and be patient. The trip has completely changes my perspective on life. It was much more valuable than my dmt trips I've recently had, since I'm trying to quit opiates (correction: I have decided to quit opiates) and I'm two weeks out and have been having cravings, it's totally ruining my life though so I've been tripping a lot. I feel like the trip has changed some aspects of myself that were negative. I feel like this one has to be taken in high doses, in fact I feel like every psychedelic should be taken in high doses.

Make sure you have three days off if you are going going to take a dose like that. I have the best afterglow from a drug I have had, but no energy. When I took 150ug before, I had a wonderful energetic afterglow but totally although overjoyed, two days later I am still totally wiped and seeing pastel colour on the screen.

What's totally tripping me out about my trip in hindsight is that the speed of light, compared to the present moment. I feel like I'm lagging behind the present moment and that is somehow very significant to me (I have studied physics extensively, and always understood that but never saw it as so profound). Since my mom doesn't get the concept lol. Also the average difference between being born as a little brother and big brother was really tripping me out.
 
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You shouldn't recommend people to take very high doses of any psychedelic if you ask me. Maybe that's you, but maybe some one else will trip the fuck out and jump out the window becaus he's seeing a rainbow slide.

I took Al-lad about 12-15 times (I didn't count) and 450ug had me shaking, it was really intense. You're talking about 1400ug..I don't know dude. Sounds like too much for a regular tripper if you ask me. No offense, just my personal opinion. Peace
 
I disagree on the bodyload part - AL-LAD is much weirder on my body than LSD. Makes my brain feel like jelly, and leaves me pretty fried the next day.
 
Al-LAD make my body temperature feel weird. Not sure if I really get hyperthermia or if it's just my temperature perception that gets messed up. But I feel a little bit uncomfortable with my temperature on it during the come-up. That's about the only side effect I get though.
 
Seem like people react different when it comes to the bodyload. I had 100ug of Lsd about two weeks ago and the bodyload was pretty present even during the trip. With Al-lad I have a little bodyload during the come up and after that I feel nothing but euphoria and a very mdma like feeling.
 
Mr Grateful, did I recommend a high dose? Sorry if I did. I don't think I did but I'm not gonna read through my post again. It was the first time I have taken a high dose of an LSD type drug, and it was one of the greatest trips of my life. I was having more body load when I took 150 micrograms than 1500. It's just the way it goes with trips with me. It really depends on my state of mind. Apparently not so much body... since I have been in opiate withdrawal and still am.

I wasn't recommending a high dose, at least not intentionally. I have been at my wits end trying to quit heroin and that's why I did this, and also why I smoked DMT a couple times last week. I haven't used psychedelics in around a year and a half, I have zero tolerance to them.

I don't know why I would take offence to that, I am an opiate addict using psychedelics to try and help me get clean of them and that definitely impacts the recommendation part. My best trips happen when I need the most help and centering in life, personally. Also, body load and freak outs are so random on psychedelics. Depends on so many factors. You might have a clean acid trip one time, and then one that feels really dirty a month later. I've heard of this happening frequently so don't count on this not having one because I didn't one time (I have during other times with much lower dose).

Anyways, it was one of the best trips of my life and if it helps me get clean I'm really not complaining. And, it totally did help a lot. I haven't had cravings since the trip, I've been too overwhelmed by the experience to have them.
 
I'm really glad your last experience helped you with your addiction, but imo it's better to say that every psychedelic and it's dosage should be taken step by step. Anyway let's not make a big deal out of it. What I am really curious about is how this trip will effect your addiction in long term. Hopefully it will end your addiction.
 
The trip reset my habits, opinions on things, it feels like I am learning how to do everything for the first time but it's like remembering a dream... it was a wild trip and I hope that it will not only end my H habit, but will also be a catalyst for change in most every other aspect of my life. I feel like a new man and I don't think I can ever be the same after that but we'll see, I already haven't done any H in several weeks. Since the trip, I have been taking 30mg oxy because I otherwise can't walk as my back is so messed up. I am totally cool with that as it is the only thing that has ever worked and made me function after my injury. So, I can't actually go 'clean' (I fucking hate that judgemental bullshit word) but 30mg oxy isn't shit. I was up to 300mg of really good quality H. Last time I picked up my oxy's, I went through them in 3 days. This time, that seems completely foolish to me. I really honestly can't see myself taking more than prescribed - and if I do, I will make up for it by taking less on a lazier day. Sure there is this opioid crisis but I also have a crisis. I have a facet joint problem in my thoracic spine that renders me completely debilitated physically. I used to be an athlete and had a very serious injury 7 years ago. I've been in extreme pain ever since unless on an opiate, and I spent 2 years before using them because I was a weed/psychs person but when I started getting panic attacks from the pain and stress I knew what to do.

Anyways, I'm not too worried about that. I don't think I'm worried about anything anymore - I couldn't get out of bed the other day and I'm eating a lot of food, keeping healthy, doing yoga every day, playing guitar daily too, actually applying for jobs (it's always fucking tomorrow), not worried about women either after a 5 year breakup and feeling overwhelmed, better family relations too. Hopefully this super positive energy keeps going. I am curious about the same thing - how it will affect me long term. I don't know if I will ever take psychedelics again, I don't really see the point once I have finally gotten the message that I wanted. I don't need to know shit else to have a great life. I'm not interested in breaking a mild oxy physical dependency right now, because my spine is royally fucked and I just quit heroin, I don't find oxy's mentally addictive (only smokable and sniffable things and I don't have that) and do they ever improve my quality of life. There's a difference between physical dependency and addiction and I am really hoping that I will break the opiate addiction as if I don't I'll end up on H again. I just don't see it happening. I can't see that happening anymore at all, I don't even have an H connect anymore. I don't give a damn about taking 30mg oxy for the rest of my life or if people like to bash that since people in extreme, 24/7 pain shouldn't get relief. If I can't control it then I'll have to quit down the road, but of course I can control it. I am the imagination of myself as Hicks would say.

Really therapeutic drug, just how I'm feeling today is remarkable. More motivated than I've likely been all year.
 
Yeah seriously, that's awesome, an accomplishment. :) It sounds like you're in a great place, just make sure to do the work now to maintain this. Frequent psychedelics can help for a time but it'll hurt in the end, you'll have to learn to remain here sober. But you can do it. :)
 
Thanks! And yeah... I can't even really remember when I last got high on H... at least 3 weeks ago. I don't really care, I will never touch it again so long as I live. I spent the first two weeks in bed shaking, shivering, tossing and turning while my muscles were on fire and my nerves were totally shot. It had been essentially five years of constant abuse, as I have chronic pain well that's how it started.

Thanks for the advice too man, I know I could be right back there in a moment but I cut myself off of all quality H connects and they were tough to find around here. I didn't really realize it was an accomplishment until just now. I laid in bed for two weeks... then I walked 10 kilometres, after slowly working up to that with restorative yoga, and today I just went for a fairly long bike ride. I'm going to be exercising daily for sure and if I get any cravings the rest of the year I am totally taking some sort of psychedelic because I am NOT going back to that fucking bullshit. It was the most miserable, fucking misery I think I have ever experienced! Not the whole time it was wonderful at first of course but after five years my life was utterly ruined.

Yeah like I don't plan on abusing psychedelics, but I am interested in taking a higher dose of DMT next time (maybe 80mg as opposed to 50) and well I definitely wouldn't take any more AL-LAD than that haha. Had my fair share of that and yeah so my 1500 microgram trip was in pretty serious withdrawal still. I was bedridden, and the drug gave me energy to walk that 10km and I was sweating buckets. That is some fun detox right there, I'm feeling wonderful now but I know it won't last. Every day is different and I am gonna have to be patient. Psychedelics have been a bigger help than I ever would have thought.

I confronted my addiction during this trip. I was like yo, if you're gonna quit, if you ever are actually going to, why not now? It's always tomorrow, because you never want to suffer through it. I was at 2 weeks when I tripped and I was still physically sick, I was having extreme cravings, something needed to be done and I have a sheet of AL-LAD so I just took ten of them and had one of the wildest days and nights of my life. I haven't had a craving since. In fact I am furious at myself for using that disgusting dope. I'm quitting pot too. Everything has to go except for psychedelics and the odd benzo when I have a panic attack.

Thanks though guys since that motivated me to keep clean, and it is not easy after being on heroin constantly for a really long time. I can't hold a glass of ice water without feeling like it's a winter night in Canada without gloves on. There are so many things wrong with my body but ever since this trip I've been relentless about getting over it.
 
Yeah, exercise is important for sure. Actually just in general, your life feels a lot better when you're physically fit. But yeah isn't it crazy how horrible opiate addiction feels? I was on them for 10 years, I only did heroin for a while, it was kratom for years (taking a fucking lot of it many times a day, I'd wake up at 6am every day with my legs unable to stay still and my nose running and feeling the despair), and then I was on poppy tea for years. I liked poppy tea more than heroin (I never IVd though), and honestly the withdrawal wasn't worse with it, I felt sicker and it lasted longer but I was less restless. With kratom I would get restless BODY syndrome, I would lay awake all night in bed, thrashing my legs and arms too uncontrollably, sometimes I'd punch my leg as hard as I could for like 10 seconds straight until it went numb and I got 30 seconds of relief. At some point I would just start screaming, the feeling was so overwhelmingly maddening, and usually by day 5 I'd break down from lack of sleep. I'm prone to restless legs anyway, as a kid I had them a lot, especially at night, and I HATE HATE HATE that feeling. With kratom it spread into my arms equally badly, I've never experienced that except with heavy kratom withdrawal. With poppy tea it was just a need to squirm, not nearly as restless.

But yeah, I experienced a lot of those, but for 2 weeks I was visiting my family and my oldest and closest friend was also there. I was of course on poppy tea, and he was really on heroin, and I decided to try it. Every couple of days we'd drive into the city and score some. I didn't have any poppy tea with me so I was just doing heroin (nasally). I started to feel those withdrawals, and there is something uniquely terrible about them. There's this darkness there, this apathy, that was really bad to me.

Anyway yeah, I had resigned myself to being on them life, I tried so hard for so long, I did manage to quit for 8 months once and I still went back. I wanted to die I was so miserable, and I basically hated myself because, like you said, it's always tomorrow that you'll quit. I betrayed myself every day, it started to fuck with my head a lot. Plus I was in an abusive relationship which was ultimately the reason my addiction had gotten so bad, because I was trying to hide from it. I was fantasizing about how to die because it was a strange sort of mini-relief from the despair... ahh, that would be so nice to stop existing.

Then the relationship ended, and I started to come out of my cloud, spend time with friends, life my own life and not be an an emotional slave experiencing stockholm syndrome anymore. I was still addicted, and still having a lot of trouble with it, but I decided I needed to just make it happen for myself, because I felt excited about the future, but I knew opiates would prevent it from manifesting good things. I started to think about ibogaine, and over 2 months it turned from a passing thought to a fully researched and planned idea, into reality. I did a flood dose at home with supervision, and it changed everything for me. It interrupted my negative patterns basically, on some deep, semi-conscious way. It sounds like you've experienced a trip that has interrupted negative patterns for you too. :) I experienced some light residual withdrawal symptoms after the dust settled, and it was hard to sleep for months because I'd get a bit restless but only at night, but I honestly didn't care, it was like, dude, you were insane for 10 years of your life, you'd have to be an idiot to go there. I haven't had a craving since, it's been 3.5 years. I also started exercising and making sure I was eating well, and I identified things in my life that weren't working for me and things that I wanted or needed (not material things but activities, people, stuff like that), and made some changes. I basically altered my lifestyle in the ways I felt I should. It sucks that you can't help that you have chronic pain. <3 But always just remember the fact that the most abject misery you've ever experienced is the result of opiates, and that should be enough to remind yourself that it's not fucking worth it. :)

Anyway... I finally made the investment and ordered a nice stash of both AL-LAD and ETH-LAD. I'm pumped! I've done AL-LAD in doses from 150-300ug a good handful of times and I love it, but I've only done ETH-LAD once and found it very interesting and nice.
 
Re: body load, I'm also shocked at what people say, less about AL-LAD and more about how it compares to LSD. For me, LSD has absolutely no body load even at 1000+ mcg doses, whereas 300 mcg of AL-LAD gave me one of the worst body loads I've ever had on a psychedelic. Individual differences, man.... The trip was still awesome in every other way though.

blistersinthedark said:
There's a new report on Erowid from someone who claims he accidentally ingested 3000 µg of AL-LAD, but something doesn't quite add up. How did he not trip for days on a dose like this?
https://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=106231
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I found myself questioning the report as well, but not for that reason. I have so far found it to seem like a myth that increasing the dose to that level also increases the duration that much.... I've taken around 2000 mcg of LSD and still only peaked for four hours, and only had visuals and euphoria linger for a few hours longer than normal. I doubt there's any amount of these lysergamides you could take and genuinely trip for days, and I immediately doubt either the honesty or understanding of the subject of anyone who claims they have.
 
Oh yeah, there's individual differences for sure, and I think your metabolism theory is probably a pretty good guess. I also feel like my LSD trips and some other psychedelics too have gotten a little bit longer with age honestly, and I have spoken to others who said the same thing about their trips, and I would suppose that could be related to changing metabolism too.

I do find duration to increase slightly with the dose, just not anywhere near to the degree that would be required for that, it's really no different than the way it's worked for basically any other drug for me. So, I wouldn't be surprised if every so often the right combination of slow metabolism and high dose has produced an LSD trip lasting a full twenty-four hours, maybe even a bit more, but days? Nah, I'm not buying it.... Maybe you'll have HPPD for that long, but not actual trips.
 
The way I understand dosage and duration is that they are only slightly interrelated. Increased dosage merely increases magnitude of effects, which can slightly increase duration indirectly. I wrote this analogy a long time ago in BL, and it seemed to resonate (pun intended) so I'll repeat it now:

Imagine you strike a bell. It will sound, and gradually diminish until silence. Now if you strike it twice as hard, it will sound much louder, and take longer to diminsh because it started out louder, hence a little longer to settle down to silence. The sound isn't going to sustain for twice as long. It will basically decay at the same rate towards silence, but it will remain above the audible threshold for longer just because of being louder in the first place.

Drugs work more or less like that.

Exceptions might be when exceeding certain thresholds use up all of an enzyme like MAO for example, and then your body takes a longer to replenish that enzyme. Not really sure if that ever happens, but I can imagine it happening with something that requires hefty dosages like mescaline. Pure speculation - don't treat that conjecture as anything like a fact.
 
Xorkoth I can relate to a lot of what you are saying. Congrats on quitting by the way, I will soon be there myself. I don't think anything can stop me I'm just so fucking done with that evil drug. I was in a shit relationship too, by the end of it she had no respect left for me and it had been five years. She was fuelling my drug use, absolutely as she was beginning to constantly stress me out. The way it ended was awful, and fucked me up for a while. This was just last autumn as well and I started using way more H at that point since I just didn't see that breakup coming at all.

And yeah it's like, there are some residual withdrawal symptoms left but they are so easy to ignore now. I feel like my mind has been reset, and since I was practically out of withdrawal, why ever go back to that Hell. It is truly hell that place. You don't see it coming before it's too late. It's not worth it at all and I'm so done. Being bedridden for two weeks when I'm not quite 30 years old yet is fucking ridiculous and I have a lot of weight to gain back.

Its not even just that either, it's everything: my career, my health, my relationships, my hobbies. I feel that my thoughts on everything are changing after the trip. I didn't even plan it either... I was so sick of the withdrawal, laying in bed depressed all day, that I just took the ten hits. Ever since I've been spending my days out of bed, going biking, I went to the mall, like I am actually doing stuff that will help me recover, and yoga will help a lot too. All of those things like just moving around and eating healthy will help my endorphins rebuild as opposed to laying in bed depressed. I even think it's possible that down the road I might not have chronic pain anymore. I am working on strengthening my core at the moment.

The worst part for me is how I have so much time to make up for, I am so motivated in a lot of different respects, but in withdrawal I couldn't help but, as you say, toss and turn in bed, soaking the sheets through, shitting myself, vomiting, etc. for TWO WEEKS like it was just fucking crazy how bad something could feel. I think it should be called restless body syndrome and then there are the full body muscle aches that make me feel like my nerves in my upper arms are burning alive. And yeah, I can relate to the feeling of just wanting to scream; feeling trapped, like it's never going to end. Although I guess I was pretty high (I always sniffed H, apart from 4 injections this year).

I haven't been depressed since, which is remarkable. 4 days now since the trip. I've actually been doing stuff too. Pretty exciting these changes! : ) I hope they stick around and honestly I think they will.
 
Awesome man, I bet they will too. :) Good job. It's good you're doing stuff to replenish your endorphins. Like I said, exercise is so crucial right now, so I'm glad you're getting out and doing it. make sure to eat well too, that really helps you feel better. As in, lots of vegetables, fruits, and protein of some sort that isn't factory farmed if possible.

Kaleida said:
Re: body load, I'm also shocked at what people say, less about AL-LAD and more about how it compares to LSD. For me, LSD has absolutely no body load even at 1000+ mcg doses, whereas 300 mcg of AL-LAD gave me one of the worst body loads I've ever had on a psychedelic. Individual differences, man.... The trip was still awesome in every other way though.
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Wow, really? That sucks! For me AL-LAD is definitely more present in the body than LSD, but I find it very pleasurable. LSD also has virtually no bodyload for me, it feels primarily transparent, like there isn't a chemical affecting my body. AL-LAD produces an obvious body effect, for fortunately, for me it's really pretty wonderful-feeling.

I found myself questioning the report as well, but not for that reason. I have so far found it to seem like a myth that increasing the dose to that level also increases the duration that much.... I've taken around 2000 mcg of LSD and still only peaked for four hours, and only had visuals and euphoria linger for a few hours longer than normal. I doubt there's any amount of these lysergamides you could take and genuinely trip for days, and I immediately doubt either the honesty or understanding of the subject of anyone who claims they have.
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I think this is because lysergamides have very short half-lives, you're still tripping after it's eliminated from your body (if I recall correctly, please correct me if I'm wrong). This is contrast to some other drugs. In general isn't it true that duration will be mediated by half-life? So that if you take a lot more of something, then after one half-life it will still be present in sufficient quantities to still feel the drug, hence lasting longer than if you took less. I know with the DOXs, people who take a lot more will trip a lot longer. hence the stories of people tripping for days on DOM back in the 60s... they produced 15mg tabs (or was it 20mg)? And people would take several and not come down for days.
 
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