GaryGlisten
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I think a combo of equal amounts of 4-ho-mipt and 4-ho-met could be pretty good. Not so sure about adding 4-aco-dmt into the mix though.
Tryptamines The Big & Dandy 4-HO-MET Thread - Part 3 - 4-HO-ME's for life
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I have taken a long break from the use of chemicals. It has been over 2 and a half years since I have used anything. Recently I have been looking into my favorite class of compounds; 4-substituted tryptamines!
To be concise and not take up much of your time, I found 4-AcO-DMT to be absolutely the most amazing chemical, in many cases superior to mushrooms. For personal introspection, 4acodmt, with a friend or two; mushrooms. I ventured off into 4-HO-MET. I received 1 gram and I had access to a .001 scale.
I tried several 20-30 mg doses in numerous settings, and I was completely let down. It felt very.... "synthetic." The colors were pretty, sure, but the bodyload, visuals, and the headspace were not even comparable to 4ACODMT or 4HODMT.
That is until I tried a 75mg dose and the effects changed COMPLETELY. It had such an organic feel to it. The visuals were very, very DMT like. Very deep, and everything had that classic "mushroom heaviness" to it. Like standing, even just breathing has this deep, sloooowness to it. Getting up and moving was out of the question. Closing my eyes were comparable to a strong DMT hit, except lasting for a solid 2 hours. On 20-35mg doses 4-HO-MET is extremely stimulating for me.
I understand this is a "heroic" dose, and honestly I don't need to qualify myself or even justify that dosage. I knew it was 4-HO-MET. I know myself and my environment. With that being said, when I use a psychedelic I do not take them to get the giggles, or to see pretty colors; I use them for a spiritual experience.
75mg were comparable to the visuals of about ~30mg 4-ACO-DMT. The visuals of 4HOMET become similar to 4ACO's at this dose. Very tribal, ancient. Dark colors, not the typical light greens, yellows and pinks associated with 20-30mg dosages. Dark purples, "saturated" dark greens and navy blues. I couldn't count how many times I thought to myself, "My God.. this feels like DMT." Physically feeling it was almost identical, mentally however, it didn't have that cosmic feel to it. No real magic, no Ah ha's. 4HOMET always retained this lucidity about it, no matter the dose. That's exactly why I do not like it; you can't give yourself to the universe.
I tried a 80mg dose a few months later was convinced this substance is just not for me, while at the same time I would be willing to take it again but not under 75mg. The numerous 30mg trials are just pitiful, synthetic and abusive. I understand that is opinionated, but after trying 4-AcO-DMT, 4-AcO-MET, 4-AcO-DiPT, and 4-HO-DMT, the 4-HO-MET just didn't do much for me until I took it at 75mg.
EDIT*- I have tripped probably 100 times or so, over the course of the 10 years I have been using psychadelics; I used to be so scared of high doses, terrified I might have a "bad trip." But once I receieved that complete earth shattering experience and learned so much about letting go, acceptance, trusting in the spirit of the universe that things will work out and these types of things, I now seek that very ego death experience each time I take psychadelics. I play around with 20-30mg dosages a couple times to see what they are about and if they would have any use for friends who aren't there yet, but other than that, I go for dosages that are impossible to "hang on." Thank you so much for allowing me to share, BL. This forum has played a significant impact on my life lol
To be concise and not take up much of your time, I found 4-AcO-DMT to be absolutely the most amazing chemical, in many cases superior to mushrooms. For personal introspection, 4acodmt, with a friend or two; mushrooms. I ventured off into 4-HO-MET. I received 1 gram and I had access to a .001 scale.
I tried several 20-30 mg doses in numerous settings, and I was completely let down. It felt very.... "synthetic." The colors were pretty, sure, but the bodyload, visuals, and the headspace were not even comparable to 4ACODMT or 4HODMT.
That is until I tried a 75mg dose and the effects changed COMPLETELY. It had such an organic feel to it. The visuals were very, very DMT like. Very deep, and everything had that classic "mushroom heaviness" to it. Like standing, even just breathing has this deep, sloooowness to it. Getting up and moving was out of the question. Closing my eyes were comparable to a strong DMT hit, except lasting for a solid 2 hours. On 20-35mg doses 4-HO-MET is extremely stimulating for me.
I understand this is a "heroic" dose, and honestly I don't need to qualify myself or even justify that dosage. I knew it was 4-HO-MET. I know myself and my environment. With that being said, when I use a psychedelic I do not take them to get the giggles, or to see pretty colors; I use them for a spiritual experience.
75mg were comparable to the visuals of about ~30mg 4-ACO-DMT. The visuals of 4HOMET become similar to 4ACO's at this dose. Very tribal, ancient. Dark colors, not the typical light greens, yellows and pinks associated with 20-30mg dosages. Dark purples, "saturated" dark greens and navy blues. I couldn't count how many times I thought to myself, "My God.. this feels like DMT." Physically feeling it was almost identical, mentally however, it didn't have that cosmic feel to it. No real magic, no Ah ha's. 4HOMET always retained this lucidity about it, no matter the dose. That's exactly why I do not like it; you can't give yourself to the universe.
I tried a 80mg dose a few months later was convinced this substance is just not for me, while at the same time I would be willing to take it again but not under 75mg. The numerous 30mg trials are just pitiful, synthetic and abusive. I understand that is opinionated, but after trying 4-AcO-DMT, 4-AcO-MET, 4-AcO-DiPT, and 4-HO-DMT, the 4-HO-MET just didn't do much for me until I took it at 75mg.
EDIT*- I have tripped probably 100 times or so, over the course of the 10 years I have been using psychadelics; I used to be so scared of high doses, terrified I might have a "bad trip." But once I receieved that complete earth shattering experience and learned so much about letting go, acceptance, trusting in the spirit of the universe that things will work out and these types of things, I now seek that very ego death experience each time I take psychadelics. I play around with 20-30mg dosages a couple times to see what they are about and if they would have any use for friends who aren't there yet, but other than that, I go for dosages that are impossible to "hang on." Thank you so much for allowing me to share, BL. This forum has played a significant impact on my life lol
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Yeah strange.. I used to absolutely love it and got spectacularly visual and easygoing trips like on 40 mg with weed (no tolerance to the weed), but recently I tried it again at close to 20 mg and it just made me feel allergic / flu-like with symptoms such as breathing problems like from DMT but nothing to show for it. Just nasty!
Hopefully that was a fluke, on the other hand I'd rather not take a big dose with that nastiness so first a ~20 mg one again to reassure me that it's not something up with me or the batch. I don't react well to *some* drugs anymore these days but e.g. acid is still just comfortable and great like it ever was.
Hopefully that was a fluke, on the other hand I'd rather not take a big dose with that nastiness so first a ~20 mg one again to reassure me that it's not something up with me or the batch. I don't react well to *some* drugs anymore these days but e.g. acid is still just comfortable and great like it ever was.
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Same here solipsis. I don't react the certain drugs I use to like the same anymore. Not sure if it has to do with brain chemistry or body...
I am currently taking a break from psychs. But still take my presribed meds. Which are adderall and Xanax at night to sleep. And phenibut here and there ( lately more than I usually take) Maybe now that the holidays are over, my stress and anxiety levels will get better and I will not need to take it as much.
I am currently taking a break from psychs. But still take my presribed meds. Which are adderall and Xanax at night to sleep. And phenibut here and there ( lately more than I usually take) Maybe now that the holidays are over, my stress and anxiety levels will get better and I will not need to take it as much.
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I had an interesting trip with this one the other week. I dosed 25mg with two of my best friends. After about an hour I felt myself coming up, but my friends seemed to be feeling it much more. So I insufflated about 10mg. It went in very smoothly with almost no burn or drip, which is always nice. This definitely heightened my trip and we spent the night laughing, dancing, and just having a good time. The headspace was clear and reminiscent of 2C-B. Visuals came in waves, sometimes almost non-apparent and other times taking over my visual field. But I especially noticed the waviness of the trip towards the end, when we started settling down to prepare for sleep. This was about four hours after dosing. I experienced very interesting visuals while watching TV - the people would look very 3D and beveled out of the screen. At other times the images on the screen looked like they were edited and had filters put on top of them. I love me some good visuals in a calm setting so I was totally enthralled and enraptured by this. And this happened for a period of time, and then I would get very tired and assume the trip was over, only to have the same visuals come back in full force.
I had work the next day so I tried to settle into sleep at about T+5:00... but that was not happening. It seemed like as soon as I was alone, my headspace gained much more depth. I got caught in some thought loops about my love life and found myself becoming very emotional. I also had a lot of CEVs at this point since i was lying in bed with my eyes closed. At first they were very simple, but then became more detailed as time went on. They were mostly monochromatic, which is typical for me, but at one point they became multicolored which was exciting. I also felt compelled to draw the things I was seeing and felt like I actually could do so with some accuracy (on other psychedelics I will try to draw my visuals and fail miserably), but I needed to go to bed so I didn't bother trying. I finally fell asleep around 5AM, which was 9 hrs after my original dose.
I had to call in sick to work the next day due to exhaustion, but it was totally worth it! I think I will take at least 30-35mg from now on.
I had work the next day so I tried to settle into sleep at about T+5:00... but that was not happening. It seemed like as soon as I was alone, my headspace gained much more depth. I got caught in some thought loops about my love life and found myself becoming very emotional. I also had a lot of CEVs at this point since i was lying in bed with my eyes closed. At first they were very simple, but then became more detailed as time went on. They were mostly monochromatic, which is typical for me, but at one point they became multicolored which was exciting. I also felt compelled to draw the things I was seeing and felt like I actually could do so with some accuracy (on other psychedelics I will try to draw my visuals and fail miserably), but I needed to go to bed so I didn't bother trying. I finally fell asleep around 5AM, which was 9 hrs after my original dose.
I had to call in sick to work the next day due to exhaustion, but it was totally worth it! I think I will take at least 30-35mg from now on.
So I got this yesterday along with 4-aco-dmt and 4-homipt. 10mg each, maybe 11 met. I took on an empty stomach after work and this combo is everything I wanted. It came on quick, almost fully developed at 20 minutes, but not intense, very organic. Feels great in the body, I want to move. Sexy. Visuals are great but not overpowering. Happy, excited, no headfuck so far. Music is great but doesn't seem much intensified. Appetite is fine, food is going down as usual. I did trip on NYE on 2cb and DOC so tolerance may be an issue but I'm happy with where I'm at. Maybe an increased need to pee but I'm perhaps over hydrating. Able to type, currently playing World of Warcraft which is very complex. Call it a waste of a trip if you will but I'm having fun.
Honestly I'm so pleased with this I think I'm just going mix the rest of my stash together. Although weighing it was fun, each chemical has it's own color, texture, and smell so it felt like alchemy. I'm calling it "Fairy Dust".
Honestly I'm so pleased with this I think I'm just going mix the rest of my stash together. Although weighing it was fun, each chemical has it's own color, texture, and smell so it felt like alchemy. I'm calling it "Fairy Dust".
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Just plugged 27mg of the Fairy Dust. I was mostly down around 4 hours in and wanted more. Smooth comedown though. The vendor was surprisingly gracious with the mipt, to the tune of about a half gram. It was marked 1G +++ on the bag. Still, mipt is great and I felt that maybe a bit of extra energy would have been nice with the initial combo, something mipt always does for me. So now I have 2g of this Fairy Dust (500mg mipt saved for a friend and 500 each of psilacetin 4-ho-met). The 4-ho-met gives it a nice soft blue color so it looks magical. So happy with this.
Update: Didn't get much from the 2nd round, but that's okay. Assembled a cat-tree with the help of my mom, which was fun and I don't think she knew I was on something. I had a beer in hand though so that kind of excused any sloppiness with my hands. The textures of the fabric were amazing and it smelled good too.
I had to get creative when mixing the powders, no mortar and pestle on hand so I improvised with a smooth tiger's eye opal I found at Lotus NYE show last year. It reminded me of a friend who collects crystals but she moved away earlier this year. I took a pic of it resting on one of my cymbals and sent it to her with well wishes. Such a great day and just starting to wind down, expect no more trouble with sleep than usual. 3-meo-pcp usually has me a bit up still at the end of the day and I took some at the same time as my first dose of Fairy Dust.
Update: Didn't get much from the 2nd round, but that's okay. Assembled a cat-tree with the help of my mom, which was fun and I don't think she knew I was on something. I had a beer in hand though so that kind of excused any sloppiness with my hands. The textures of the fabric were amazing and it smelled good too.
I had to get creative when mixing the powders, no mortar and pestle on hand so I improvised with a smooth tiger's eye opal I found at Lotus NYE show last year. It reminded me of a friend who collects crystals but she moved away earlier this year. I took a pic of it resting on one of my cymbals and sent it to her with well wishes. Such a great day and just starting to wind down, expect no more trouble with sleep than usual. 3-meo-pcp usually has me a bit up still at the end of the day and I took some at the same time as my first dose of Fairy Dust.
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This is the psychedelic that I am presently most interested in.
4-ho-met was every bit as deep, sacred, and profound as mushrooms for me. It was far more "shroomy" to me than 4-aco-dmt, which was electrifying, cold, and more dmt-like and not anything like shrooms at all in my experience. I heard this was stimulating but I found it to be neutral or slightly relaxing, the only physical disturbance being some light nausea (only after consuming kefir with whey protein powder, cacao nibs, maca root powder, fresh pineapple, and sprouted buckwheat though). I found 4-aco-dmt to be more stimulating.
This was a pretty deep experience for me at 10mg, but I find that sometimes there is great depth at light doses, and sometimes I don't get too much out of higher doses of things, and vice-versa. I hadn't tripped on any psychedelic at all in over a year which is a long time for me so that's probably one reason why it was so meaningful and relatively strong for the dose, but tryptamines are so much more my thing over lysergamides or phenethylamines.
There was visual activity at this dose (not much, but it was present), significant headspace, and it was no joke or recreational at all like some people seem to make it off to be. I don't think I ever laughed during it, but my mood was bright for the most part and I was radiating positive energy, however I found there to be more headspace and thought provocation with memory association than anything. I have been very depressed lately so I was hesitant to trip but I feel like this could be a powerful antidepressant. My energy has since changed. I would not take this for fun. This was very serious and it has since changed me. I would honestly say 4-aco-dmt was less "deep" than this one which goes to show the variation in experience of the set and setting as well as personal bias. I didn't expect this to be so much shroomy from what I've read and I was pleasantly surprised. I took it alone in the morning, and did a lot of cleaning of my apartment during the experience. Everything I handled brought up associations in my mind; there was so much thought stimulation regarding the objects I was handling while cleaning up, things I would not normally think about lol but it was really cool, and I found myself exploring my past as well as very much random aspects of the present. In the end, my apartment was nicely well-organized and I had a really positive trip. I've felt better ever since and I've been really down on myself lately.
I am thinking that since I loved both 4-aco-dmt and 4-ho-met, to try 4-ho-mipt next. I’m also very interested in trying 4-ho-det which I recently gained access to! I’m researching that one tonight just on here, finding information on it (4-ho-det seems really interesting to me... I definitely seem to have a proclivity for the 4-ho's vs. the 4-aco's... perhaps because I have extreme chronic pain for several years that is not going away, in fact getting worse and do enough diacetylmorphine fuck) and I’m considering taking the plunge because I’m really enjoying these four ho's so far! I don't want to try all of them by any means, I was perfectly satisfied by this one, but the 4-ho-det variant has really peaked my interest too (for some reason, which I am not going to question as perhaps it has something to show me).
4-ho-met was every bit as deep, sacred, and profound as mushrooms for me. It was far more "shroomy" to me than 4-aco-dmt, which was electrifying, cold, and more dmt-like and not anything like shrooms at all in my experience. I heard this was stimulating but I found it to be neutral or slightly relaxing, the only physical disturbance being some light nausea (only after consuming kefir with whey protein powder, cacao nibs, maca root powder, fresh pineapple, and sprouted buckwheat though). I found 4-aco-dmt to be more stimulating.
This was a pretty deep experience for me at 10mg, but I find that sometimes there is great depth at light doses, and sometimes I don't get too much out of higher doses of things, and vice-versa. I hadn't tripped on any psychedelic at all in over a year which is a long time for me so that's probably one reason why it was so meaningful and relatively strong for the dose, but tryptamines are so much more my thing over lysergamides or phenethylamines.
There was visual activity at this dose (not much, but it was present), significant headspace, and it was no joke or recreational at all like some people seem to make it off to be. I don't think I ever laughed during it, but my mood was bright for the most part and I was radiating positive energy, however I found there to be more headspace and thought provocation with memory association than anything. I have been very depressed lately so I was hesitant to trip but I feel like this could be a powerful antidepressant. My energy has since changed. I would not take this for fun. This was very serious and it has since changed me. I would honestly say 4-aco-dmt was less "deep" than this one which goes to show the variation in experience of the set and setting as well as personal bias. I didn't expect this to be so much shroomy from what I've read and I was pleasantly surprised. I took it alone in the morning, and did a lot of cleaning of my apartment during the experience. Everything I handled brought up associations in my mind; there was so much thought stimulation regarding the objects I was handling while cleaning up, things I would not normally think about lol but it was really cool, and I found myself exploring my past as well as very much random aspects of the present. In the end, my apartment was nicely well-organized and I had a really positive trip. I've felt better ever since and I've been really down on myself lately.
I am thinking that since I loved both 4-aco-dmt and 4-ho-met, to try 4-ho-mipt next. I’m also very interested in trying 4-ho-det which I recently gained access to! I’m researching that one tonight just on here, finding information on it (4-ho-det seems really interesting to me... I definitely seem to have a proclivity for the 4-ho's vs. the 4-aco's... perhaps because I have extreme chronic pain for several years that is not going away, in fact getting worse and do enough diacetylmorphine fuck) and I’m considering taking the plunge because I’m really enjoying these four ho's so far! I don't want to try all of them by any means, I was perfectly satisfied by this one, but the 4-ho-det variant has really peaked my interest too (for some reason, which I am not going to question as perhaps it has something to show me).
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Nice post ShroomySatori, I found your experiences similar to mine. I would say at higher doses you'll start to find it more euphoric though as there is some beautiful visuals to go with it. I do find this one isn't as smooth sailing as others make it out to be, I don't get trapped in any loops etc but just I had had uncomfortable memories come to surface on this substance and did not reach a conclusion.
Your experience has made me interested in trying a lower dose though. I've always went for high doses with psychedelics, but as I'm beginning to explore ones that are less documented on BL in recent years (more advanced discussion needed) I am having to dose up slowly to get to grips with it.
Your experience has made me interested in trying a lower dose though. I've always went for high doses with psychedelics, but as I'm beginning to explore ones that are less documented on BL in recent years (more advanced discussion needed) I am having to dose up slowly to get to grips with it.
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Has anyone ever combo'd this with LSD, or would the short-term tolerance make that all but impossible?
I adore taking DMT on the tail-end of an acid trip, but i have no idea if it would be possible to do something like that with 4-ho-met
I adore taking DMT on the tail-end of an acid trip, but i have no idea if it would be possible to do something like that with 4-ho-met
It is possible to do it towards the end of a trip, but you'll have to up your dose. I've used it towards the end of DOC and 2c-e trips, but have to use 30mg to really get any effect.
I find it adds a nice serenity to the end of a long trip (as both DOC and 2c-e are lengthy and often intense rides).
I find it adds a nice serenity to the end of a long trip (as both DOC and 2c-e are lengthy and often intense rides).
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Hey all! Just tried 4-ho-met last night -50mg along with a dose of .5 MDA. The reason for me taking this much, is due to the fact I had taken 1mg of Xanax hours prior. Definitely a very crazy personal experience, and I really really enjoyed it. The onset made me very giggly, and like acid you start to feel a little something moments from ingestion. From time to time my body started having hot and cold flashes. I definitely couldn't get up, and the visuals are crazy. I can only describe my visuals as, "The Scream" by Van Gogh. Sorry for my lack of explanation. I'm still trying to understand what happened, and put it into words. Hahaha enjoy!!!!
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Mixed 20mg of 4-HO-MET with 50mg of 6-APDB (4-Desoxy-MDA) few days ago and had an unexpected, totally surprising +++ trip moving to ++++ territory!
I love 6-APDB by itself (my favorite benzofuran) and combined it successfully with lysergamides in the past. This time I decided to try with 4-HO-MET and I understood why some people call it "colours" :D
I first took 6-APDB and waited for 2 hours for effects to settle, then took a rather small "casual" dose of 20mg of 4-HO-MET. For almost two and a half hours after that nothing was happening (strange?). Smoked a bunch of cannabis while waiting and all I felt was some color amplification, some disinhibition and mild euphoria, mostly coming from 6-APDB.
So I decide to add 15-20mg of 4-HO-EPT as well into the equation at about 3hr mark after 4-HO-MET ingestion and I mix it in a small water bottle. As soon as I took a sip from the bottle (I doubt it could have been such an immediate effect of 4-HO-EPT) and sat back to vaporize some more cannabis I started feeling very agitated and I started sweating profusely - I knew what's happening - my ego is starting to melt, so I prepared myself...
And then... COLORS! (mostly pink, blue, violet, silver, super bright neon colors with some green haze) in more than 3-dimensions started to come out everywhere and form a huge glowing arch in front of my eyes! I was in complete AWE... In about 5-10 minutes I got shot out to being so high that I loose all reality reference points, no difference between closed/opened eyes, wiped out memory of being a human, e.t.c. Huge insights, a brain orgasm, I saw my mind as a special crystal (with strong bluish hue) and if there is any light (or any information) gets into it, the crystal will infinitely refract it within itself, making it appear as I thought of it by myself - kinda resonates with Buddhist way of seeing human mind as being innately empty by nature... My face in the mirror was something very grotesque and liquid, I couldn't trace any boundaries between my head and the world around. Seriously, I've never been hit with so much pleasure at once! 8(
Memory of the trip is a bit hazy now but it did everything that I expected from the trip and beyond... After I got hit, it lasted about 4 hours and came down gradually. Simply beautiful combination, felt very organic and powerful, I definitely recommend it to try for any psychonaut (I'm thinking it will go just as nice with MDA too)!
I love 6-APDB by itself (my favorite benzofuran) and combined it successfully with lysergamides in the past. This time I decided to try with 4-HO-MET and I understood why some people call it "colours" :D
I first took 6-APDB and waited for 2 hours for effects to settle, then took a rather small "casual" dose of 20mg of 4-HO-MET. For almost two and a half hours after that nothing was happening (strange?). Smoked a bunch of cannabis while waiting and all I felt was some color amplification, some disinhibition and mild euphoria, mostly coming from 6-APDB.
So I decide to add 15-20mg of 4-HO-EPT as well into the equation at about 3hr mark after 4-HO-MET ingestion and I mix it in a small water bottle. As soon as I took a sip from the bottle (I doubt it could have been such an immediate effect of 4-HO-EPT) and sat back to vaporize some more cannabis I started feeling very agitated and I started sweating profusely - I knew what's happening - my ego is starting to melt, so I prepared myself...
And then... COLORS! (mostly pink, blue, violet, silver, super bright neon colors with some green haze) in more than 3-dimensions started to come out everywhere and form a huge glowing arch in front of my eyes! I was in complete AWE... In about 5-10 minutes I got shot out to being so high that I loose all reality reference points, no difference between closed/opened eyes, wiped out memory of being a human, e.t.c. Huge insights, a brain orgasm, I saw my mind as a special crystal (with strong bluish hue) and if there is any light (or any information) gets into it, the crystal will infinitely refract it within itself, making it appear as I thought of it by myself - kinda resonates with Buddhist way of seeing human mind as being innately empty by nature... My face in the mirror was something very grotesque and liquid, I couldn't trace any boundaries between my head and the world around. Seriously, I've never been hit with so much pleasure at once! 8(
Memory of the trip is a bit hazy now but it did everything that I expected from the trip and beyond... After I got hit, it lasted about 4 hours and came down gradually. Simply beautiful combination, felt very organic and powerful, I definitely recommend it to try for any psychonaut (I'm thinking it will go just as nice with MDA too)!
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Not Van Gogh. Edvard Munch.
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A question to the veterans :
Does adding a serotonine-releaser (MDMA, 6-APDB aso) anything to the psychedelic experience ? I mean ultimately you take psychs to learn something about yourself and the world, that would require a high amount discipline to acquire soberly.
Or is this candy-flipping affiliation just a hobby, a fun thingy ? Because then it would be far to risky for me ... to sacrifice my serorotine reservoirs for a fun experience, that could be a meaningful psychedelic experience without the serotonine-releaser in place. Many assumptions here, no clue.
So what qualities is the releaser adding to the experience, that are so valuable ? Thanks for the hints.
Does adding a serotonine-releaser (MDMA, 6-APDB aso) anything to the psychedelic experience ? I mean ultimately you take psychs to learn something about yourself and the world, that would require a high amount discipline to acquire soberly.
Or is this candy-flipping affiliation just a hobby, a fun thingy ? Because then it would be far to risky for me ... to sacrifice my serorotine reservoirs for a fun experience, that could be a meaningful psychedelic experience without the serotonine-releaser in place. Many assumptions here, no clue.
So what qualities is the releaser adding to the experience, that are so valuable ? Thanks for the hints.
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In my experience adding a releaser has not added value to the experience really, but it made it more euphoric and recreational. I actually regretted adding MDMA to an LSD trip I had (the last time I tried it), because I felt like it dampened the sharpness of the experience.