☮ Social ☮ PD Social Talk Thread: Somatic Swirly Sepia Summer Sausage Stage Set Suppository

[pharmakos]

Well after having not rained for almost 60 days, we had dozens and dozens of fires in the 3-state mountain region around here... some of them were close by and were filling the air with smoke day and and day out. We needed rain so bad. Well 2 nights ago it finally rained, and now today it has been pouring all day. So, yeah! But I still feel kinda bummed at a dark and rainy day. Plus my roof leak that I patched seems to be leaking again. I really need to finish saving up for a tin roof, my plan is to install it myself (with some help). Roofs are expensive...

The fires down south are so bad that we could smell the smoke in Michigan.

Not even exaggerating: http://www.mlive.com/weather/index.ssf/2016/11/smell_smoke_last_night_youll_b.html

 

[Xorkoth]

That's crazy... well imagine how it was here. Some days it was so bad it irritated my eyes significantly. For about 45 minutes worth of driving straight east of here, the smoke was so bad it felt hard to breathe even on the highway in the car... you could barely see the sun sometimes.

I've been using a lot less substances since Thanksgiving. Usually I use 3 meo pcp 5 or 6 days out of the week but I've only used it once in the last 5 days. Also been drinking less, 2 beers as opposed to 4-6 in a night. Still smoking just as much weed tho, possibly slightly more than usual, but that doesn't bother me. Ideally I would still smoke weed everyday but drink and do drugs only 2 days or less out of the week. Something to work towards.
I'm about to go to the gym after not having gone for a couple months. Other than the obvious heath benefits it's also a way for me to not be at home which helps with doing less drugs. And I think the seasonal depression has finally hit me, or maybe it's just a lot of work related stress, either way a good endorphin high usually takes care of the blues for me.
Love you PD!!

I bet it's a combo of work stress and the seasons. I can feel the seasonal downtime. Hopefully it will be like last year where once winter really hits and I get used to it, I'll feel normal. Right now the sudden lack of light is really a bummer. Late fall is always rough for me. Wish I could go to the gym but I feel too sick. Hopefully tomorrow (although work is hellishly busy for me too right now, especially since I was so sick I accidentally fell asleep for 3 hours yesterday afternoon and got behind). I have already gotten back into a 2-3 times a week gym thing quite recently, but this sickness is throwing it off a bit. Looking forward to getting back on because it really helps.

I've been doing less drugs too, well only this week, last weekend was pretty much the culmination of my increasing level of binge-worthy use, god damn was it fun, but I am certain it's the reason I got sick. I think my body was just like, dude, chill out. So I'm listening to it. I'm not even smoking weed since I have chest congestion and a sore throat. I've been having a little caffeine in the morning and that's it, oh I also had some phenibut yesterday too because I'm currently tapering down on my frequency of that and it was time. Feels good, I think, hard to tell since I am also sick, but I will say it doesn't feel bad (besides the cold).

 

[psy997]

Doing some self tai chi / qi gong / body exploration / stretching stuff can be a really good alternative to heavy exercise when you can't do the latter, Xorkoth! I find a nice psychedelic downtempo set and self stretch dance exploration can really hit the connector muscles in a way that leaves one feeling refreshed and rejuvenated.

 

[TheAppleCore]

^ How do you do it?

 

[swilow]

Fuck I'm such a drug fiend.

 

[psy997]

^ How do you do it?

Well it usually happens spontaneously while tripping or on 3-meo-pcp, but really I just begin to dance / sway around slowly making sure to keep attention on my entire body. Moving in ways that stretch and push / pull my limbs like they normally wouldn't in everyday life, even while lifting weights or running. It's very flowy, at times involving the entire body in a movement, at others isolating a small area. A lot of this:



is very similar to what it looks and feels like. Alternating between reaching to the edges of and playing with the edge of the kinesphere, and drawing in to play with specific movements. The former usually flowy, the latter isolated. If that makes sense.

The main point though is really to listen to your body and move how it says it wants to. Letting whatever feels tight move and flow, stretch and pull itself. While keeping a total body and energy awareness and incorporating the aspects of tai chi and other energetic techniques in the building of, maintaining, and flow of subtle energies. An exploration is really what it is.

The last time I did ALD-52 I just moved around my apartment doing so for the first five and a half hours until my hips were so sore I had to force myself to sit down for a bit.

 

[swilow]

^Were you in company or just dancing in your apartment solo? I much prefer visualising the latter

I tell you what, a fun thing to do- pen/paper and try and write stuff in the dark on dissociatives. It feels really strange. I did it last night and wrote a whole lot of scribbly stuff and "I'm on dissosiatives" which makes sense and "I'm the manager" which didn't really make much sense. I was trying to do automatic writing or some shit. It didn't really play out, I probably wasn't dissociated enough, but it felt incredibly weird. I just felt like this shadow moving its hand for no reason. The pen/paper weren't really there.

TAC (or anyone) do you like Burial? I find his music uncommonly creepy. Something about the boxy kicks and static-drenched percussion and pads. Its very ambient, very atmospheric. Really creates a dark mental image.

 

[psy997]

That does sound fun, swilow. I'll have to try that when I finally get around to trying the lil sample of O-PCE I have. To answer your question, the latter, yes. All by little ole me's self.

And don't even get me started on Burial. He's in my opinion one of the most talented producers of the past twenty years

 

[Xorkoth]

I had another weird dream. In it, I was in Alaska and my dad took me by boat across the Bering Strait so I could go work on a crab boat for the day. When I got there, there was just this huge crowd of people, most of them were Russian but I could understand everyone. For some reason the spot we converged was in my parents' garage, of course this seemed totally normal. I couldn't find my crab boat people, and I looked at my phone clock and it said 1:30pm, I was like, what the fuck, I was supposed to get here in the early morning, what happened? So then after I fretted for a bit I found Shambles, Sadie, swilow and herbavore and we went up into the upper room over the garage and started doing drugs together (except herby who was just hanging out and watching over us), but we were all paranoid because there were windows all over the place. Then my alarm woke me up.

 

[Xorkoth]

So just got in touch with the dude I hung out with and did coke all night with on Saturday, he invited me to go hiking today but I'm working, but then he said I should come out tonight to see some music, he and some members of the band he represents who was the headliner at the show Friday are going to go see Mike Gordon from Phish, he's playing a show with a project of his tonight, last night they were hanging out with him at the Pigeons Playing Ping Pong show in the crowd and we might get to chill with him tonight after the show too. Which would be... uh, pretty sick. So it seems like I should do that.

 

[perpetualdawn]

I read that Burial does/did all his production in a multitrack audio editor, not even a proper DAW. He just build all his loops and stuff visually and by ear, without any beatgrid or anything to snap to. It's all audio clips positioned basically freehand on a multitrack audio editor like Cool Edit or Audition. It makes sense when you listen to his music, so shuffly and soft around the edges.

I love Burials first two albums: Burial and Untrue. Haven't gotten into anything of his since then, but if any of you know of other standout work his done, would love to check it out!

 

[Img_9999]

I tell you what, a fun thing to do- pen/paper and try and write stuff in the dark on dissociatives. It feels really strange. I did it last night and wrote a whole lot of scribbly stuff and "I'm on dissosiatives" which makes sense and "I'm the manager" which didn't really make much sense. I was trying to do automatic writing or some shit. It didn't really play out, I probably wasn't dissociated enough, but it felt incredibly weird. I just felt like this shadow moving its hand for no reason. The pen/paper weren't really there.

He, I've done that, it's pretty fun drawing/writing on dissociatives. Sometimes I feel like I'm just an spectator of what's coming out of the pen haha, like I don't even know what I'm going to write or draw. I once did a drawing of a schematic face with the words "Who Am I???" on top of it that I really liked.

 

[swilow]

That does sound fun, swilow. I'll have to try that when I finally get around to trying the lil sample of O-PCE I have. To answer your question, the latter, yes. All by little ole me's self.

I'm glad my mental image was confirmed. I love getting totally lost in doing unusual shit. Its why tripping either solo or with my missus is ideal, I can feel more at liberty to do what I must.

I had another weird dream. In it, I was in Alaska and my dad took me by boat across the Bering Strait so I could go work on a crab boat for the day. When I got there, there was just this huge crowd of people, most of them were Russian but I could understand everyone. For some reason the spot we converged was in my parents' garage, of course this seemed totally normal. I couldn't find my crab boat people, and I looked at my phone clock and it said 1:30pm, I was like, what the fuck, I was supposed to get here in the early morning, what happened? So then after I fretted for a bit I found Shambles, Sadie, swilow and herbavore and we went up into the upper room over the garage and started doing drugs together (except herby who was just hanging out and watching over us), but we were all paranoid because there were windows all over the place. Then my alarm woke me up.

You're having weird dreams dude, it must be a slight fever. Bed rest mate, no fun, doctors orders.

Have I become an archetype in your subconscious??

I read that Burial does/did all his production in a multitrack audio editor, not even a proper DAW. He just build all his loops and stuff visually and by ear, without any beatgrid or anything to snap to. It's all audio clips positioned basically freehand on a multitrack audio editor like Cool Edit or Audition. It makes sense when you listen to his music, so shuffly and soft around the edges.

I love Burials first two albums: Burial and Untrue. Haven't gotten into anything of his since then, but if any of you know of other standout work his done, would love to check it out!

Yeah, I've heard that too. I think he must quantise things in some way, but its hard to mix his music and it doesn't stay perfectly in time, the BPM does seem to change a bit over a song. That's just manually measuring though.

His best stuff IMO is the stuff thats most similar to the two full lengths.

 

[Solipsis]

Here is another (at times) similar sounding artist who also field records and works without grids, possibly even more free-wheeling than an editor like Burial - but in a more experimental genre I guess - I really doubt you can call it drum & bass but that's what they apparently do:

FIS

"I don't actually know the tempo of my tunes," admits Peryman. "I don't make stuff to the grid [of a software program]. There's not a metronome going or anything. It's just sound put down, and it sounds right." Later, he expands on the point: "The rhythm is starting outside the computer, and I take it into the electronic context, and I move in a direction with that, with what that allows. But it starts outside."

https://www.residentadvisor.net/features/1580

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShBthteQr6c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hiq1yovL4ak
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3DvhM9DMWo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgB02p9uZGg

I think Balam Acab could also share some characteristics at times, can be dark and creepy and the pitch can wander sometimes although only the smallest rubato.. IMO he can be good, with some original style of his own, but certainly not profoundly introverted like Burial. More garage reminiscent like I guess Owsey and the likes. Maybe that's more glow-fi / chillstep or something... speaking of which, all of that shares a lot with Burial's rhythms among other things, but can often be a bit overly sweet or cheesy. Then again Burial cranked out some epic cheese with Rival Dealer lol, but that was just masterfully done.

If you want a glow-fi / chillstep sort of recommendation you should listen to this track and most (earlier) work by Klātu. Lots of pseudo-asian sounds that remind of esoteric meditation CDs, can be relaxing but hey thats chillstep for ya.

There's also guys like Volor Flex / Trampique who seem to have copied Burial's general style, but although the music is not *that* bad it is clear that Burial's spirit cannot really be copied, just his tricks.

As for Burial himself, yes his artist album and Untrue (Etched Headplate is miles deep - i loved that tracked to a freediving video!) i liked very much but I really fell in love with his interpretation / collab feat massive attack's Paradise Circus. Is actually a very long track with at least 3 partial songs in there - he did similar things on the Rival Dealers EP which i also hold in high regard..

I also liked that album by Forest Swords, that guy makes pretty lo-fi music which isn't surprising cause he's nearly deaf! very interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWGCEDYJAZ4

Andy Stott also worth a listen, https://youtu.be/DvPUaMHUzgk?t=6m53s it's 'post-dubstep'.. which reminds me of Ben Frost who makes post-minimal music iirc. (Went to see him live in a very small intimate setting and those guys blow me away, it was such intense sound, just insane) Recent thing I heard one of my best friends listens to is post- black metal or something, all these post-modern genres, it's pretty funny :' )

 

[Xorkoth]

Haha, yeah you've been in several of my dreams now, huh? I figured you were doing it on purpose.

But tonight isn't the best night to tell me no fun. There are so many fun things happening tonight I can't figure out what to actually do. I feel about 91% better and that's enough for me.

 

[Bagseed]

I will do an indole synthesis at university either tomorow or next week. well not one of those we all like around here, but still pretty cool.

 

[swilow]

Andy Stott also worth a listen, https://youtu.be/DvPUaMHUzgk?t=6m53s it's 'post-dubstep'.. which reminds me of Ben Frost who makes post-minimal music iirc. (Went to see him live in a very small intimate setting and those guys blow me away, it was such intense sound, just insane) Recent thing I heard one of my best friends listens to is post- black metal or something, all these post-modern genres, it's pretty funny :' )

Some nice recommendations! I have never heard much of those artists and thus far they seem to be exactly what I want in electronic music. Cheers mate

I quite like the whole 'post-x' thing. There are some goods movements. Post-rock is a great sub genre though its ambiguous enough to suit a pretty broad group of artists. But yeah, post-black metal is a definite thing. There were two waves, one in the late 90's which fetaured a lot of symphonic, avant-garde, industrial elements, but the more recent and widely-accepted post-black metal is the more recent blending of BM with post-rock and shoegaze. Its hit or miss, but the french band, Alcest, are true masters of the style, more shoegaze and post-punk is some ways.

This song is so beautiful really. Just epic moment after epic moment and such a beautiful ending.

Haha, yeah you've been in several of my dreams now, huh? I figured you were doing it on purpose.

But tonight isn't the best night to tell me no fun. There are so many fun things happening tonight I can't figure out what to actually do. I feel about 91% better and that's enough for me.

I was in your ibogaine trip too.

I've had dreams of you too, I can't recall it but you were staying with me. You were freakishly tall and skinny and quite frightening. You were almost two dimensional! :D This was years ago mind you.

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah you sure were, that's the main one I was thinking of. You informed me through the overriding analogy of that dream world that obsessing over opiates is how I become controlled. In the guise of an almost unimaginably bedraggled old crone, if crones were male.

Haha, I am pretty tall and I used to be quite skinny, these days I've filled out quite a bit due to working out. Right when I did ibogaine I weighed 135 pounds, now I'm 175. I don't think I'm frightening, then again, I'm me so who knows, maybe I terrify everyone I know and they're too scared to tell me.

And I'm only 2-dimensional in the mornings.

 

[vortech]

Perpetualdawn, I'm with you on the Burial. His first two albums were pretty breakthrough at the time, but he hasn't seemed to move past his 'Sound Forge ' level single-track audio editing style. His last album before the new one I think a friend described as 'Whitney Houston riding a unicorn into a K-hole' or something to that extent. His new one I am only marginally piqued by, obviously showing at this point the limitations of his production techniques, and the limitations of the style in general.

Xorky, your experiences are one to be beat. It seems every week you have a trip report that is no less than rockstar status. It is inspiring!

 

[Solipsis]

2-dimensional, tall, skinny, frightening... wait.. Oh no, Slenderman is working out?!

thats cool, me too - am glad not feeling so feeble anymore, and its really necessary for the physical work..

By the way, I know you're not taking lyrica with phenibut but that post by me was written confusingly. I meant that lyrica - a gabapentinoid - does relax (including physically) a bit, so calcium channel blocking seems to do that so phenibut should probably too without it being the GABAb..

Not to brag but today i heard my lyrica script was approved (since I gave it some real thought to see if I couldn't just do alright without it), again. I'm pretty happy!
Also I am getting applied formally as volunteer at that art academy which they normally don't do much (they have had mostly informal ones instead like I have been up until this point) - who knows hopefully eventually I can do more independent work and even get some compensation.
Also trying to apply for an education, mainly focusing on one for web developer... but I also stumbled upon mechanical engineering design and may consider it an option. I hope subsidy is granted for it if that if one of those is even really for me (I think so, but could use every bit of conviction on that I can get).

@swilow: nice!! glad to hear that