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Tryptamines The Big & Dandy 4-AcO-DMT Thread - Act Five

I find it odd that people report 4aco has less anxiety and mindfuck than mushrooms. I can comfortably take upt to 4 or 5g of good cubensis shrooms but if I take any more than 20mg of 4aco im a nervous wreck for the first half of the trip. I wish this one clicked with me better as the second half of the trip is usually orgasmic and very healing but the first half usually scares the shit out of me so I rarely take it.
 
Yeah that's how it is for me too, the first half feels like I'm slowly coming up on smoked DMT, and it feels kind of jarring and confusing and somewhat alarming. The second half is beautiful though.

GaryGlisten said:
I tried this for the first time last night and was pleasantly surprised. Just an allergy dose of 5 mg followed by another 7 mg 15 minutes later I was tripping at 30 mins and peaking after about 1 hour for another hour or so, dropping off in intensity fairly rapidly and close to baseline after 5. Very short duration but quite intense visually, especially CEVs which I consider to be more DMT-like than mushroom-like although I haven't done DMT yet. The headspace really was nothing at all like mushroom trips that I've had in the past although it has been a very long time since I've been able to get a hold of any (30 years). It definitely had an artificial feel about it, not as deep as mushrooms in terms of anxiety/mindfuck and I found it hard to concentrate on what was being said. I felt quite zonked out and a bit stoned and stupid tbh. The bodyload was negligible and I felt quite relaxed and comfortable. I wouldn't be scared to try this again at 25 mg in a week or two from now. Looking forward to the next one.
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This is exactly how it is for me too.
 
I've never done mushrooms, but I can tell you that when I ate 20mg of 4-Aco-DMT, the come-up was practically non-existent. I felt sober for about 20 minutes then went straight to space as I walked about my local park. I can tell you it was far stronger than any NBOMe tab I've ever taken, but can't compare to actually smoking DMT.
Visuals were mainly wavy and intense, while the body load wasn't bad. I actually found, (once I settled in from the initial rapid onset) the effects to be fairly sedating, like that of a light opiate dose. I really don't think you can compare these to mushrooms, as they are notorious for causing nausea and I don't believe they have a sedative feel to them. I got no nausea from 4-Aco- although very thirsty- and there was most definitely a hint of sedation, especially on the come-down.
 
I've never became neusea's from mushrooms and find mushrooms to be pretty sedating actually. That being said I don't find mushrooms & 4-AcO-DMT exactly the same, but they are quite similar. I do like the comparison some people use of the first half of 4-AcO-DMT trips being like a slow onset of smoked DMT though. Pretty accurate. Second half is almost exactly like mushrooms except generally slightly more euphoric, and it is overall more sedating than mushrooms are.
 
I would agree that I also find mushrooms sedating at the beginning, though I get some energy after the peak. I've also never gotten any nausea from them, though I wouldn't be surprised if I did these days. 4-AcO-DMT does feel even more sedating and easier on my stomach though, but those things alone don't make it unlike mushrooms for me.
 
I had a strange experience last night on 20 mg 4-ACO-DMT. About 45 minutes after ingestion everything became bathed in this mystical warm golden light like something on a Christmas card. I think maybe another 10 minutes passed during which I was looking at youtube, the next time took my eyes off the screen and looked around and everything had gone green like as if I was wearing sunglasses with green lenses. Everything looked darker. I was quite freaked out for a while. This went on for several minutes. I have never had this happen before. I have read other people saying similar things but it really took me by surprise.
 
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Not sure if this was the same thing happening but I to had weird colour changing effects from 4-ACO-DMT. My skin seemed to go an ash grey colour and I couldnt figure out if Id actually turned that colour or I was just tripping.
 
So I just tried this stuff for the (what I think is*) first time night-before-last. My scale said 8mg, but I understand with a weight that small it's bound to be inaccurate (I weighed it on top of a little metal tray, on top of 3 quarters stacked on each other). Also ate a couple grams of Green Maeng Da kratom to get myself in a bit-more-giddy mood. It took quite a while to hit, somewhere around 40-50 minutes to hit, then seemed to come-up in a few stages. Over the course of an hour or so it grew, every 20 minutes or so, another step higher; more euphoria, and visuals were more pronounced. Music was wonderful, everything was funny, the visuals were - while not super prevalent - quite pretty.

At about 3.5 hours in, I decided to take 1mg etizolam so I could comfortably get stoned and relax my head a little bit. I ended up not being able to fall asleep (even after a 2nd mg of etizolam) until T+6 hours.

Here's a good idea of the timeframe:
Dosed @ 00:30
First alerts @ 01:10
++ @ 01:30
+++ @ 02:10
++ @ 3:00
1mg Etizolam @ 03:30
1mg Etizolam @ 04:30
Asleep @ 06:30

Interestingly, I noticed it was very "wavey", in the intensity of acid waves. I have a similar experience with mushrooms, however this was MUCH more pronounced. Light visuals, chill mind, and euphoria for 20 minutes or so, then ramping up to harder visuals, trippier mind, and less-euphoria for another 20 minutes. During the latter phase, my nose was really runny, and my eyes were quite watery.

Overall, I really really enjoyed this stuff. I'm not really sure what dosage of mushrooms I could compare it to, as they obviously vary quite a bit. I tend to be pretty sensitive to tryptamines (18mg 4-HO-MET was ridiculously mindfucky). I'd like to give it another shot, maybe 15mg or so next time.

(*A few years ago, I had 26mg of what was sold as 4-AcO-DMT, but the bag said "4HM" on it, so we figure it was actually 4-ho-met; my confirmed 4-ho-met experience was only recently, so I can't compare them at all, other than that 26mg being...way, way too much).
 
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When I get to try 4-AcO-DMT again I'll take 40-50mg. 30mg was fun but I want to dive deeper.
 
Has anyone ever IVed 4-aCo-DMT and the rush hit so instantly it was insane. I've done it many times and this trip yesterday was nuts. Instantly I felt I had to get my sweatshirt on. Ran outside and put my animals back in the house. I felt something was after me. Usually I feel a female presence. Not this time it was something of male presence. I had to get the animals inside because he was outside. But I refused to be afraid of it. It was about 6;30 in the evening. Sun was going down. I was sitting in my back yard and the grass and bushes with small white flower looked as if they were putting on a show for me. They were colorful and dancing. I needed my earbuds. I couldn't find them. I wasn't getting up because to mesmerized by the dancing in the yard.
I had forgotten about that sinister male presence. But I started hearing things yelling at me from a far. Not saying nice things to me. But i was ignoring it. I tried to smoke a cigeratte but my hands looked like a plastic blow up dolls.
What the fuck? The cigeratte felt so light and empty. I was having trouble holding it with my fAt looking hands.
It wAs amazing. But the same time terrifying. I was hearing something from somewhere yelling mean things at me. Then some wonderful man who sounded like rev. Al sharpton voice came from somewhere in the trees and said "don't you listen to those evil, don't let them evil thoughts in your head!" I was like omg thank you sir. Because the mean voices were getting louder.

Sorry if this is hard to understand but I am still trying to make sense of it all my self. I IVed and large amount. But I already had some tolerance. IVed 85mg. Holy shit. Without tolerance - I suggest no one ever do that. With tolerance I suggest no one do that. I can't say I regret it, because parts of it were beautiful. At one point after my hands stopped looking plastic. I could see the electricity in my body in my arms and hands. And it was blue and purple and greens. And I felt there was electricity all around me. I was like protected in an electric ball of color. It was amazing. I needed this experience. It goes so much deeper and I plan to write about it later. But I needed this. I showed me things I had forgotten about. Like living here on earth. I had started hating people a while ago, just from my own experiences with people who betrayed me, caused me pain. The things I have seen on the news (the reason I quit watching it) just because of the horrible things people do to one another and animals. It makes me sick that people can be so cruel and heartless. But I realized not everyone is this way. I have shut myself out from the world for so long (well like 4 years or so). The only people I really interact with is my family, my husband and my daughter. My daughter wasn't home last night that's why I decided good evening to trip. Really wanted to see a beautiful sunset. But I saw way more than a sunset. Remember people EARBUDS!!! I think if I would of had my earbuds and music I wouldn't have heard whatever yelling nasty things at me. Even when I was walking very fast through the house trying to get my stuff to go outside. Every door I shut would say something nasty to me, I just gave it the finger and kept on moving. Trying to get away from the male presence. Never saw what he looked liked. Just know I was on a mission to get my shit and get out side. Found everything I needed but my earbuds. I had my phone. But couldn't read a word it said.

There was an important message in this trip i can't describe. It made me feel I needed to wake up. Stop hiding and running and being so angry. And pay attention to the people who have been good to me. Make more efforts to spend time with my family or call them (they live in another state).

All I can say is the rush of the IV was intense. Ive IVed before it's always intense but never this intense. I assumed with the large tolerance I had that it would be ok. What amazes me about 4-aco-DMT is that every trip amazes and surprises me! It's never the same. Things were like a roller coaster of nucking futts! One minutes nature was dancing and beautiful and seemed to be dancing just for me then the next something that sounded like an echo was yelling mean things at me. The Al Sharpton voice in the trees helped. I started believing that there is something real that only psychedelics allow us to experience out there. That without no one can see or hear. There is energies around us all the time. Some of them are kind and loving and helpful and protecting us. Then the others are testing our sanity and who we are. The negative energy calling me all those ugly names, was fucked up. It wasnt the male presence I sensed earlier to. He was there. He just wasn't saying anything. He was just trying to scare the shit out of me. But the dancing bushes and neon nature colors over powered his nastiness. Everything would change instantly. One minute i felt like laughing and was mesmerized by everything. The next I was like holy shit what is that.

So crazy. But amazing. 4-aco-dmt never fails to surprise the shit out of me. But I think I am going to give it a long break and give my veins a break for a while. I never used needles in my life. But I had tried 4Aco every other way so I thought why not. And after I did it the first time a while back ago. It was almost addicting. But this trip was needed and necessary. Because I feel no need to do it for a little while now.

Even tho if I didn't have anyone or any animals to take care of. I think I wouldn't mind being in that state all the time. It as beautiful. And my fears from this particular trip seem to have been demolished. I'm not afraid anymore. Of life and living. It's really just a weird confusing thing.

But I am grateful for this experience. I really am.
 
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When it comes to outright rush, instantaneously being ripped from sobriety to absolute serpentine psychedelia, I've never known anything like 4-ACO-DMT. However, I don't feel a desire to ever repeat my experiences again. lol
 
Would 5mg of 4-AcO-DMT enhance music at all?

Also, has anyone here ever combined it with MDMA?
 
5mg might do something depending on your tolerance and or sensitivity to the compound.
It is truly amazing combined with MDMA
Just like mushrooms and MDMA is amazing.
 
30mg of sticky clumpy brown 4-ACO DMT plus 100 mg MDMA at a concert and I was visited by a divine presence. Powerful combo. Also had a "Jedi flip" with 2 hits of LSD, .2-.3 MDMA and 20mg 4-ACO-DMT which was probably the deepest I've ever delved into my mind, after, of course, working out most of the MDMA on the dance floor to some dubstep (which I usually hate).

For me psilacetin is only good in combinations, taking it alone can be very dysphoric.
 
5mg is probably the equivalent to about 0.5-0.7g of shrooms. Is fairly similar to shrooms combined with MDMA.
 
It’s more like mushrooms than anything like MDMA - but then everything gets compared to MDMA if one gets mood lift off it or enjoys it (which isn’t what really singles out MDMA) - no offense but I feel the simile is over used to the point of near pointlessness.
Equivalence to shrooms is a bit dicey since there are many sorts of shrooms and natural product vary somewhat but yeah I would guess 5mg is about 0.5g of liberty caps or potent cubes. The problem with this is although the over lap is great the difference makes direct comparison harder. I was hoping the negative unpleasant bodyfeel and drunk lethargy might be missing (something I hate about shrooms) but sadly not and I’m not a fan; I really prefer the other psilocin analogs. For my GF at least it might be a possible migraine help - experimenting around 2mg next for this.
 
Ballz_Trippington said:
5mg might do something depending on your tolerance and or sensitivity to the compound.
It is truly amazing combined with MDMA
Just like mushrooms and MDMA is amazing.
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I cant belive I havnt thought of this combo! I loved mushrooms with MDMA in the past and get too anxious on just 4aco so i may have to preload next time with some MDMA.
 
Think you misunderstood me. I was saying doing 4 aco dmt with MDMA is similar to doing mushrooms with MDMA. I find doing MDMA with 4 ACO DMT totally removes any anxious feelings.
 
growit&smokeit said:
Think you misunderstood me. I was saying doing 4 aco dmt with MDMA is similar to doing mushrooms with MDMA. I find doing MDMA with 4 ACO DMT totally removes any anxious feelings.
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Nope I knew that's what you meant, but I'm very glad (and not surprised) to hear MDMA removes the potential anxiety of 4-AcO-DMT =D
 
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