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Withdrawl from bootleg fentanyl tablets

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spondy

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So recently bootleg a-215 tablets stuffed with fentanyl have been circulating my area. They started getting slipped in with my usual pickup of real a-215 oxy 30s (which is highly noticeable when one knocks you on your ass) and then the real oxys were totally phased out of my usual connects leaving me with no option but to pick these up. All and all, I really dislike them because they're not at all functional and then you slip into withdrawal after 3-4 hours. Where 2-3 oxy 30's would hold me over all day and I wouldn't start feeling withdrawal until the following evening, these fentanyl tablets have me craving another line after an hour (and these cravings are unlike anything I've ever experienced... I can say I've WANTED an opiate fix in the past, but since these have come into my life I never knew what a craving truly was... And I've been an on and off heavy user of opi-everything for 7 years with the longest clean stretches lasting 5-6 months tops).

So I've been on these bootleg fents for about 2 months now. Prior to which I was slowly detoxing from prescribed 10mcg/HR butrans patches, 20mg/day hydrocodone, and 60-90mgs of oxy a few times a week (max of 120-150 oxy on a single day every other week). I'm estimating that these bootleg fents have between 2-3 milligrams per tablet (obviously inconsistent because they are bootleg). This estimate is based on reports of similar tablets found in Canada and Isolated spots in the US... I haven't found any reports on these specific tablets but I'll post an image of one in this thread.

If you're familiar with the tablets I'm referring to, feel free to skip the following section marked by the line breaks and proceed to the question I want to ask.
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They are very high quality pressings, nearly identical to real A-215's in color and quality of the imprint - slightly wider in diameter & slightly thinner - instead of a totally uniform light blue color, they have slight variability where you can see gradients of white to blue - and again, due to inconsistencies inherent in black market replicas, each pill is slightly different in color and content, the only consistency is the shape and imprint quality.

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So I'm no stranger to the withdrawal process. Each and every time is slightly different in length and duration depending on the substance used. My typical experience is a fairly uneventful day one, with a moderate night's sleep before things get hairy on day 2... Anxiety and depression being the most pronounced symptoms through day 2 and 3, RLS, lethargy, malaise, the shits, inability to fall asleep and stay asleep... Pretty standard stuff. Now... Due to my lack of familiarity with the more-Ish nature of these fentanyl tablets and how they've skyrocketed my tolerance to them (yet oddly not to oxy), I'm very fearful of the unknown. Withdrawal is frightening enough as is, going into unfamiliar territory is that much scarier. Does anyone have experience with these tablets? Or other bootleg fentanyl tablets (of which there are many / I've been encountering various incarnations of fake oxy 30 (fentanyl filled) tablets for almost 2 years now... These particular tablets have only shown up in the past 4 months... Or otherwise have experience with fentanyl withdrawal? Just looking for a rough equivalent to oxy (my most experienced withdrawal) in duration / severity.

I've got my Thomas recipe supplements lined up, plus clonadine (advice on how to dose would be appreciated), unfortunately no benzos (will be using valerian root instead), will be preferably avoiding Kratom as I feel like it will just prolong the process, and have boost shakes for nutrition since my appetite suffers severely. I put on half a butrans 10mcg/hr patch 2 days ago in anticipation of detoxing (and to avoid waking up in full withdrawal due to the short acting nature of fent) and will be taking that off tomorrow morning before my fent dose... Should be entering full withdrawal around 5pm as buorenorphine has a short half life at the low doses delivered by the oatch (the full 10mcg/HR patch gives me .25mg per day so the half patch should be .125mg)

Sorry for the long-winded post...

The TLDR:

looking for advice on the length and severity of insufflated bootleg fentanyl tablet withdrawal... Estimated 2-3mg per tablet, have been taking 2 tablets per day for the past 3 weeks, and 4 tablets per day for the past 3 days. Thanks in advance!
 
It will come on strong and hard.. but will pass "quickly"...



Your a few days away from freedom.

Keep your eye and thoughts on the prize.. freedom.

If you have a clear bill of health then I would dose the clonidine every three and a half hours.

Your estimated time in withdrawls for the debt would have been 4-5days.. you added in the the bupe so this changed.. so now your looking at a longer withdrawal. But a much more gradual trip.
 
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Hey neversick, thank you for the prompt reply! Judging by your user name (which is amazing btw) you've escaped the clutches of dependency - congrats! I've noticed that, in the past, I do experience "sickness" when 'cravings' return even after months of clean time... I chalk this up to a sort-of placebo effect where, while way outside of true acute withdrawal, PAWS trigger physical symptoms. While vastly less severe than true acute, I'll start getting chills, yawn a lot, runny nose, upset stomach, and strong desire to do more. Unlike true acute, these PAWS 'attacks' are fleeting in nature and if I can distract myself - they'll disappear in time. Funny how the mind can trick the body!

Anywho, i wanted to follow up on how you said the bupe will be extending my withdrawal time slightly while reducing severity.... Research (and subjective experience) has shown that low-dose bupe has a much shorter half life than dosages used for maintenance purposes. If I recall correctly, sub-milligram doses of bupe are where this distinction becomes prevalent. In addition to half-life duration, these low doses of bupe are where it becomes more appropriate for pain management as opposed to ORT/maintenance doses. Seems counter intuitive that lower doses are better for pain, but this is what clinical research and personal experience have show. I've never experienced precipitated withdrawals from patch application and definitely start to feel it leave my system about 6-8 hours after patch removal. I chalk this up to .25mg per 24/HR release from the 10mcg/HR patches having a typical opiate half life of between 4-8 hours as opposed to the 48-72 hour range of maintenance dosages of bupe. Given this, are you sure that the withdrawals will be significantly extended or were you basing that off of maintenance dose bupe half life?
 
I'm going to turn this into a withdrawal journal to give anyone else who may be facing detox from a similar habit a good idea of what to expect. I took my last 1/4 of bootleg fent tablet this morning at 9am right after I removed my half 10mcg/HR butrans patch which I had been wearing for about 72 hours. I secured some flexoril (mainly to reduce this spasm I've been dealing with in my right shoulder for the past few weeks) which should also help get a little sleep and combat some rls. To properly send myself off and say goodbye to my dependency, I just got 4 15mg instant oxys. Sniffed one - waiting for my connect to arrive with the other 3 which will be sniffed 10 minutes apart to have a nice climb up before coming down for (hopefully) the last time. I do have a few fractures in my lumbar, degenerative disc disease on a bulging disc, and various other issues that lead to a fairly chronic pain condition. I'm able to quell flare ups with rest, but sometimes life doesn't give you that kinda time so I'm hoping to not have to rely on pain meds in the future, but no garuntees. Gotta allow myself the freedom to do what's necessary to keep my life moving in the right direction, even if it's 3 steps forward professionally and 4 steps back in recovery... Can't beat myself up over that which I cannot control. Thanks for reading! I'll probably update tomorrow morning and evening as needed to track progress and vent. Cheers!
 
Hey Spondy,


I've just gone through a fentanyl WD myself..... after 48 hours the worst was over.

(I had it in powder form cut with glucose, unsure of exact strength but would put it at about 3-4 times heroin, and was smoking maybe 700mg a day at the end of a 2 month incident)

Good luck you can do it!
 
I'm in the same boat. My connection switched to these cheaper but stronger fentanyl fake oxies. They are everywhere now. Been doing them for 6 months, at my peak, 10 pills a day, snorting them. I'm at the 24 hour mark and feel lazy, legs hurt and I want more. I'm picking up some xanax and hydrocodone in about 2 hours. Should help, but drag it out a little. I'll let everyone know how it goes. It's tough, but needs to be done. I have two kids and a job I cannot lose. I need off before it destroys my life.
 
Let us know how it goes Noah! Is this (these pills) something that is becoming more common in the US or Canada or somewhere else?
 
I live in Southern California, inland desert, toliet area, and they are waaaay to easy to find. Look almost identical, except they are more blue. Anybody that does the real ones can tell. You can find people right online to meet up and buy. Waay too easy. Police must be overwhelmed.
 
Noahkeene said:
I live in Southern California, inland desert, toliet area, and they are waaaay to easy to find. Look almost identical, except they are more blue. Anybody that does the real ones can tell. You can find people right online to meet up and buy. Waay too easy. Police must be overwhelmed.
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My dealers have a hard time discerning them from the real ones, or they're just bullshitting me - but ive actually called them out in it and they ended up returning a whole mess of them to their connect after I told them they weren't legit oxy.

For a dealer, they're a damn good product because they're so damn fiendish they have the same people picking up 3x a day or more. All rush legless bullshit that falls from a nod to dysphoria in under 90 minutes. And I thought I had self control issues BEFORE these things... HAH!

I've been encountering them in central and south Florida for a while now in various forms... They used to be much easier to detect because they looked like shitty ecstasy pills as far as composition and quality of the pressing. These are a fairly decent replica I would say - my guess is they're manufactured in China where fentanyl is hardly (if at all) regulated. Any experienced user with a twat hair of diligence would be able to discern them by sight or touch, the less perceptive should be able to taste the difference easily. If those methods fail you, and you can't tell immediately upon use, you're sure as shit gonna know somethings up when you're crashing hard in 2-3 hours.

Forgot to add that I managed to pick up a few soma's too! Popped one already and it's amazing how quickly that tension in my neck, trap, and scapula melted away like butter! Usually takes a couple days on flexeril, but one soma does the trick for me. My school doc (and most docs I've had through PM) are very hesitant to preserve soma. Ironically, the one PM doc that wouldn't prescribe me more than a couple 5mg hydrocodone a a day INSISTED I take soma 3x/day instead of my 3x/10mg flexeril. I voiced my concern that, as a graduate student employed by the university, I couldn't afford to take a med that made me drowsy.... He said it should have that effect on me, and sure enough, I took one and fell asleep at my desk... Now that I've been out of pain management for a couple months, just finished my masters degree, and facing a rough week of detox, I welcome the drowsiness!
 
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First official morning, got some decent sleep. Stomach is a bit unsettled, going to take a couple Imodium tabs, and took a few valerian root capsules for mild anxiety. Drinking plenty of water. Not feeling great, but not awful yet - probably a good time to go pickup my flexoril from the pharmacy before things escalate.
 
Remember to eat if you can keep some fruit or crackers or something down. I try to avoid greasy food when in w/d, seems to irritate my GI even more.
 
Awesome spondy. I heard the worst is over by day 3. Keep it up. I forced myself to jog around the block this morning, felt great when I got back. Might do it again tonight. The worst part of this is the craving. My connect just hit me up and was like I'll be around all day. Hes thinking where's he been? What a bastard. Snorted xanax last night, feel like a loser, wont do it again but slept like a rock. Ill take it orally. Im almost to the 48 hour period. My legs hurt, had the shits, but that was nice. Been so constipated. Just keeping myslef from grabbing more is the hardest part
 
I know what you're saying about wanting line after line. These things are a lot more addicting than regular oxies. I was able to detox off a 200 mg a day habit with a little flu like symptoms, leg cramps, stomach ache, was still able to work. These fake oxycontin are a dealers dream. Fiend them like crack and feel like shit when not taking them. I'll never take another opiate as long as I live and warn others of the dangers.
 
Noahkeene said:
Awesome spondy. I heard the worst is over by day 3. Keep it up. I forced myself to jog around the block this morning, felt great when I got back. Might do it again tonight. The worst part of this is the craving. My connect just hit me up and was like I'll be around all day. Hes thinking where's he been? What a bastard. Snorted xanax last night, feel like a loser, wont do it again but slept like a rock. Ill take it orally. Im almost to the 48 hour period. My legs hurt, had the shits, but that was nice. Been so constipated. Just keeping myslef from grabbing more is the hardest part
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Ugh! The absolute worst is when connects call... Stay strong against that temptation. I'm just struggling with boredom right now, trying to occupy time that used to be spent picking up and using. Here's my plan for now: 5 hour energy shot for the L-tyrosine to beat the malaise, shower, off to the pharmacy, grab some food for the next couple days at the grocery store (def lots of fruit and yogurt, salad materials etc. Clean eating! Lame as it may sound, probably going to walk around and play Pokemon go for a while - exercise, sunshine, and distraction all in one. Have some Epsom salts for a bath later, watch a movie or two then Benadryl, more valerian, and flexoril to catch some sleep. Will be posting periodically for my mental health - my girl thinks I already went through this a couple weeks ago, so there's no one I can really talk to about it.
 
so glad you decided to get off of those man, can never trust that one dose is gunna be the same as the next. no quality control.
 
Lol, my wife thinks the same thing! She thinks im a couple weeks sober. She just asked me if I was still clean. I should have just told her but thought it would cause more problems. Might as well just tough it out. If it gets really bad I might join a NA group, but I dont like like telling strangers in person my problems. Would probably just be an emotional wreck.
 
Noahkeene said:
How long until I get my energy back and feel somewhat normal again?
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I typically enter a manic phase after acute withdrawals. Typically am very emotional (a struggle) and am prone to anxiety but this goes away in time, usually corrects itself completely after a month or two, but I'm otherwise fairly normal. From what I've experienced, and is echoed frequently in recovery forums, getting through withdrawals is the easy part (although it might not feel like it) staying sober is the hard part... Now this is rhetoric and has to be viewed in context... Of corse doing something over a lifetime is harder than doing something for a week... But you learn and grow stronger as time goes on... How many days are you at now? You should have your energy back to normal after a week... Mine comes early, albeit falsely inflated, via a slightly manic period before leveling off. I chalk this up to being sedated all the time and my brain trying to find a balance. I might look for a kava bar today to chill out a bit, because all these emotions flooding back all at once is a difficult experience.
 
For me it took about 5 days until I felt 'somewhat normal', however it was such a relief after the first 40ish hours that the next few days were easy..


Agree with you Spondy it's staying clean for the few years and beyond that will be that hard bit!


Good luck to you both keep it up :)
 
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