What is wrong with the MDMA available today?

[Jabberwocky]

I agree with all of this and don't have anymore to say to add to the tiff.

What is this chiral glycidic impurity that could be formed? (which epoxide or carboxylate?)

You agree that glycine could be an intermediate product of glycidic acid? Really?

What are the metal epoxides and or metal carboxylates you agree could be formed?

 

[Jabberwocky]

What's more likely -- and actually plausible (but still unlikely):

Someone may have synthed a giant batch of r-MDA -- there is a known synthesis to create the r-isomer as it is the supposedly "desired" isomer for MDA

Then, someone performed the PIHKAL MDMA synthesis from the r-isomer MDA and ended up with a ton of r-MDMA.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

They manage to get extremely pure MDMA into pills -- but don't practice good chemistry anywhere else along the way -- oookay.

EXACTLY !!!! now you're getting it.....why the hell would they care about purifying an intermediate? to waste more money/solvents/ and time? This is clandestine kilogram scale chemistry not a PhD thesis they are doing.


I have no idea what glycidic impurities are produced in the first steps of the synth....but anything with an oxygen can coordinate to a metal center...especially carboxylates (presumtive reduction catalyst)

 

[LucidSDreamr]

I agree with all of this and don't have anymore to say to add to the tiff.

Thank you....I don't know why I keep arguing with this guy. I'm starting to think hes just trolling me.

 

[Jabberwocky]

EXACTLY !!!! now you're getting it.....why the hell would they care about purifying an intermediate? to waste more money/solvents/ and time? This is clandestine kilogram scale chemistry not a PhD thesis they are doing.


I have no idea what glycidic impurities are produced in the first steps of the synth....but anything with an oxygen can coordinate to a metal center...especially carboxylates (presumtive reduction catalyst)

1. It's a liquid layer -- decanting it and using almost any kind of filtrate will remove 99% of anything other than a liquid (only other liquid species will be possible napthalenes and other phenyl-acetones as they are known contaminants of PMK)

2. metal carboxylates are as a group non-reactive (unless you get into some really weird metals like Barium or Lead-Titanate that form mildly reactive small chain carboxylates)

3. the reactivity of epoxides would likely cause bad things to happen, so we can reasonably exclude them

4. There are only so many metal catalysts that won't explosively end the MDP2P - methyl donor (nitromethane or methylamine) reaction

5. There are only so many metal carboxylates that could be formed -- please identify which of these you propose can induce an enantiomeric excess

 

[Jabberwocky]

Thank you....I don't know why I keep arguing with this guy. I'm starting to think hes just trolling me.

Propose a list of possible metal catalysts that wont explosively end the synthesis.

Propose a list of metal carboxylates or metal epoxides that could possibly be formed by said metal catalysts.

Identify any that would cause a significant shift towards one isomer at concentration of 1% or less


remember -- at 75-25 r - s a 200mg dose would be 100mg racemic MDMA -- kind of destroys the theory

 

[Le Junk]

With this new type of MDMA being produced nowadays, you will feel like crap on the comedown. You may feel confused or geeked out, almost like a crack or meth comedown. Sleep will be difficult if at all. The next day you will still feel fucked up from the night before and not in a good way. You won't want to go anywhere or talk to anyone. Again, you'll still feel like a crackhead on the comedown the entire next day. You'll spend most of the day in full recovery. Good times.

That's it. And that should sum it up for those that have never tried properly produced MDMA. Does that help?

Le Junk



Umm, that is exactly what happens after taking regular MDMA

Dude, you are so misguided. That last comment of yours that "that is exactly what happens after taking regular MDMA" confirms my statement. After that comment alone, there's really nothing else you can say that would make me believe you've ever actually taken good MDMA in your life. And what are you talking about never happened in the mid'90's? Of course it did. I've been doing the same exact MDMA white crystalline powder since the late 80's. And prior to that, the legal ecstasy tablets produced in Texas. I've sent samples of this stuff into edata at least 4 times now over the last 15-20 years. MDMA:1 ever single time. So much for your comment about it not being real MDMA to begin with. My guess is that you've never done the real thing, yet seem to spread misinformation so clearly on the forum. You try and talk a big game, but the reality is you have some basic first year chemistry knowledge mixed with absolutely 0 experience with good MDMA. But thanks for playing son.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Dude, you are so misguided. That last comment of yours that "that is exactly what happens after taking regular MDMA" confirms my statement. After that comment alone, there's really nothing else you can say that would make me believe you've ever actually taken good MDMA in your life. And what are you talking about never happened in the mid'90's? Of course it did. I've been doing the same exact MDMA white crystalline powder since the late 80's. And prior to that, the legal ecstasy tablets produced in Texas. I've sent samples of this stuff into edata at least 4 times now over the last 15-20 years. MDMA:1 ever single time. So much for your comment about it not being real MDMA to begin with. My guess is that you've never done the real thing, yet seem to spread misinformation so clearly on the forum. You try and talk a big game, but the reality is you have some basic first year chemistry knowledge mixed with absolutely 0 experience with good MDMA. But thanks for playing son.

I'm in the same generation as you

early-late 90's, -- wafers, baby aspirins 'nuff said (yes you can actually press molly with almost no binder) oh yeah "molly" as a term for 'pure molecule' was actually first made popular around 1999-2000

Nation in DC, Ultraworld (shout out to Lonnie)

if you honestly expect people to believe that MDMA hits in 10-15 min you're nuts.

Show me the e-data report -- I bet it's just reagent -- prove me wrong

None of the high mg pills are from the US on e-data, so I know you are not talking about them -- so WTF

Man-up and produce a report that specifies GCMS -- AND the mg content of the pill -- otherwise - respectfully STFU

 

[Le Junk]

I'm in the same generation as you

early 90's, -- wafers, baby aspirins 'nuff said

if you honestly expect people to believe that MDMA hits in 10-15 min you're nuts.

Show me the e-data report -- I bet it's just reagent -- prove me wrong

If you've supposedly done good MDMA, what is your comment that the cracked out comedown is normal? And also, what is your comment that it doesn't hit you in 15-20 minutes based on? Of course it does. My guess is that you're not of my generation and that you're just saying you are. You throw a couple old school comments around about wafers, baby aspirins etc (common names you probably googled). You're definition of what good MDMA is and is not like is incorrect on both ends. You have no knowledge at all my friend. I'll try and dig up my old edata reports just to amuse you. In the meantime, try and get out of your moms basement for awhile.

 

[Jabberwocky]

If you've supposedly done good MDMA, what is your comment that the cracked out comedown is normal? And also, what is your comment that it doesn't hit you in 15-20 minutes based on? Of course it does. My guess is that you're not of my generation and that you're just saying you are. You throw a couple old school comments around about wafers, baby aspirins etc (common names you probably googled). You're definition of what good MDMA is and is not like is incorrect on both ends. You have no knowledge at all my friend. I'll try and dig up my old edata reports just to amuse you. In the meantime, try and get out of your moms basement for awhile.

Because for most people that is the sequelae. Now cracked out is relative -- is it like cracked out from a 3-day meth binge? no Is it uncomfortable for most people, yes (most don't get an afterglow - I usually do) Most guys can't fuck on MDMA without a pde5 inhibitor.

ANd no - it doesn't hit in 10-15 minutes in any part of the MDMA eating world (that would be meth**one)-- people time the 35-45 minute delay so they can drop, drive to the club and make it inside

And the no come-down (sounds and feels a lot like meth**one too)

I guarantee I can tell you shit you won't find on google -- but believe what you want.

Big pink wafers a bit larger than a nickel but super thin -- straight from Holland -- oh good times

Oh and the shit from Israel back in the day (east coast israeli m*** -- good guys)

Fact is, MDMA is just fine maybe the shit you have is bunk -- but I can assure you, there is stuff going around that has you sitting on the toilet, fapping - shout out to my british bros (even though that shit wont get hard), and thinking how much you love everybody -- wave after wave from 125 mg measured on a digital scale

eyes wiggling, chin quivering, want to rub some cashmere, satin, or velvet -- give me a scalp massage while i'm getting my dick sucked, and helping the random girl out with her relationship problems (LOL) - MDMA

Pacifiers and ring pops are so the gurn don't fuck up the inside of your cheeks

Starburst and vicks inhalers WILL -- bring back/ bring up the roll

 

[xPsychoticPenguinx]

Didn't read the whole thread, but I just wanted to say that there IS good MDMA still around, it's just finding it that's difficult. Got something last night and I kinda rolled, but never -completely- ya know? Anyway.. I've NEVER crashed so hard in my fucking life. I did about a G.. but didn't wanna be loving on anyone or anything like that. Wanted to veg out to music, but that's about it. And since I -finally- stopped rolling, I've been fiending in a way that I can only relate to a crack hit. But its been hours now. Like.. 12 fucking hours of being unable to sleep or eat or do anything but try to remind my muscles to relax. This is terrible!

 

[Jabberwocky]

Didn't read the whole thread, but I just wanted to say that there IS good MDMA still around, it's just finding it that's difficult. Got something last night and I kinda rolled, but never -completely- ya know? Anyway.. I've NEVER crashed so hard in my fucking life. I did about a G.. but didn't wanna be loving on anyone or anything like that. Wanted to veg out to music, but that's about it. And since I -finally- stopped rolling, I've been fiending in a way that I can only relate to a crack hit. But its been hours now. Like.. 12 fucking hours of being unable to sleep or eat or do anything but try to remind my muscles to relax. This is terrible!

Yeah a gram and not really rolling - sounds alot like methylone (M1)

Methylone has a huge range of effects that vary widely from person to person - 125 mg knocks some people on their ass like MDMA -- for others 250 mg does jack shit -- going through a gram of methylone is common -- as is fiending -- methylone causes many to compulsively redose

redosing methylone is known to cause a huge crash -- as opposed to the normal no-comedown from a single dose of methylone

The good news is that lots of people have done lots of methylone and not had any significant issues based on current info.

 

[Le Junk]

Because for most people that is the sequelae. Now cracked out is relative -- is it like cracked out from a 3-day meth binge? no Is it uncomfortable for most people, yes (most don't get an afterglow - I usually do) Most guys can't fuck on MDMA without a pde5 inhibitor.

ANd no - it doesn't hit in 10-15 minutes in any part of the MDMA eating world (that would be meth**one)-- people time the 35-45 minute delay so they can drop, drive to the club and make it inside

And the no come-down (sounds and feels a lot like meth**one too)

I guarantee I can tell you shit you won't find on google -- but believe what you want.

Big pink wafers a bit larger than a nickel but super thin -- straight from Holland -- oh good times

Oh and the shit from Israel back in the day (east coast israeli m*** -- good guys)

Fact is, MDMA is just fine maybe the shit you have is bunk -- but I can assure you, there is stuff going around that has you sitting on the toilet, fapping - shout out to my british bros (even though that shit wont get hard), and thinking how much you love everybody -- wave after wave from 125 mg measured on a digital scale

eyes wiggling, chin quivering, want to rub some cashmere, satin, or velvet -- give me a scalp massage while i'm getting my dick sucked, and helping the random girl out with her relationship problems (LOL) - MDMA

Pacifiers and ring pops are so the gurn don't fuck up the inside of your cheeks

Starburst and vicks inhalers WILL -- bring back/ bring up the roll

Sweet Jesus, my crystalline powder hits in 20 minutes without fail every time. No, it's not meth. And no, it's not a cathinone. The legal ecstasy tablets I took in the 80's hit me in 20 minutes as well. Both of them have the same exact buzz. Love and empathy off the scale to the point you'll confess anything. Total truth serum. Touch and feel is incredible. You can't stop rubbing and touching on the chick you're with and even yourself. You could do that all night. Love for everyone, even your worst enemy. You talk about things like if the whole world were on this shit there would be no wars. Sex is off the chain. Your dick is way more sensitive and you can feel everything. Tongue kissing is incredible. You can't stop. Getting hard is difficult, but a Viagra cures that every time. The comedown is soft and sleep is immediate regardless of what you say and the next day is peaceful and loving. Again, regardless of what you say. I don't know what to tell you.

This particular description of yours right here is spot on to my buzz.

Shugenga quote:

sitting on the toilet, fapping - shout out to my british bros (even though that shit wont get hard), and thinking how much you love everybody -- wave after wave from 125 mg measured on a digital scale

eyes wiggling, chin quivering, want to rub some cashmere, satin, or velvet -- give me a scalp massage while i'm getting my dick sucked, and helping the random girl out with her relationship problems (LOL) - MDMA

Pacifiers and ring pops are so the gurn don't fuck up the inside of your cheeks

Starburst and vicks inhalers WILL -- bring back/ bring up the roll. End of quote.



I'm not sure why you contradict yourself with comments about cracked out etc.

Le Junk

 

[Jabberwocky]

I'm not sure why you contradict yourself with comments about cracked out etc.

Le Junk

Because most people have that result after a good hard roll with real MDMA.

Apparently you have a quite unique physiology. Even 20 minutes until the wall of E hits is extremely (and outside of 3 sigma) fast. The overwhelming majority of people (even with molly dissolved in liquid - love the sunburst from the stomach) don't feel the come-up until 35 minutes at the earliest.

Even plugging powder in a capsule takes about 35 minutes --but hits way harder (almost like you are in a k-hole lol).

That aside. Unless you actually have an empirical measure of the MDMA in the pill -- u don't know, and low effects == low dose.

I don't buy the different isomer BS -- because many people who have measured doses have the expected effect.

Until someone provides a GCMS report from a reputable lab with chain of custody and mg content of the pill, -- and subjective assessment from both MDMA naive and MDMA experienced users -- I say bunk pills are ethylone, methylone, piperazines MD-something else or ones that test as only MDMA = low dose MDMA

For what it's worth -- some reports from experienced users paint a mix of 5-APB and 6-APB as better than MDMA --

 

[Jabberwocky]

No mg content of pills outside of Spain, Zurich, Bern, Vienna 2000-2016

I just searched the e-data site for pills that tested ONLY MDMA from 2000-2016

The ONLY pills with mg identified are from Spain, Zurich, Bern, or Vienna/Austria) -- with the exception of 4 reports from USA (blaine, washington -2008 )of ~50 mg content.


There are people on this forum asserting there is evidence based on mg content of isomeric MDMA -- There isn't.

Furthermore (without searching 1100 records, but sampling) the form of test was reagent, mainly marquis, mecke, and mandelin -- which can't differentiate between MDA/MDMA/MDA/X-APB and can't exclude piperazines as they don't react with those tests


I welcome your response.

 

[Le Junk]

Because most people have that result after a good hard roll with real MDMA.

With my crystalline powder, when I take a third dose during the course of an evening, I will have an amphetamine type of high. The love and empathy is gone and you're left with kind of an amped out, jittery, dirty feeling. But that feeling at it's worst is nothing compared to the comedown of this new generation MDMA. These Supremes that I have are edata lab tested MDMA only and at a supposed high dose. Even in small amounts, the comedown is horrible. The high is lacking any true love and empathy. What little there is is very short lived. There are eye wiggles, but it's not like the kind where your sitting there moaning saying omg. Instead, you're just sitting there with eye wiggles. Weird. And the comedown is very hardcore crackish. Actually, more like a mix of crack and meth. Horrible. And the next day you're still high. Just like the experience of one of the posters just a few posts back. What you would think is pipes or cath is actually not. It's MDMA.

 

[Jabberwocky]

These Supremes that I have are edata lab tested MDMA only and at a supposed high dose.

paste the edata link

There is absolutely no mg content data for north american pills -- only Zurich, Bern, or Vienna

I hope you don't think the pills from Zurich are the same ones you have in Indiana

 

[Le Junk]

paste the edata link

There is absolutely no mg content data for north american pills -- only Zurich, Bern, or Vienna

I hope you don't think the pills from Zurich are the same ones you have in Indiana

Here's the link. These are from my batch. I won't say how they ended up coming from Atlanta.

https://www.ecstasydata.org/view.php?id=4292&mobile=1

I know there's no mention of mgs with regards to US pills, but the fact I was literally still high 2 days later tells me the mgs are high.

Where do you think most pills in the US are originating from? Not here.

Le Junk

 

[opiumhashish]

sorry im a newbie here but in my honest opinion the reason the mdma has worsened over the years is because people don't know what proper md is like therefor either the dealers or customers settle with brown methylone or even just not very pure crystal mdma which is unfortunate but as you know mdma should be a 100% transparant rock crystal, specially with the pills these days there always mda,mdpv, methylone, mephedrone or just speed with a bit of mdma, i would say nowerdays pills are out the question and never should be bought no matter what, because the consequences of someone being selfish and using all these active cuts can mess people up specially when there taking 2 or 3, even someone knowing how to dose those other drugs cant dose for someone whos taking more than a single pill, if you can find someone selling the clear rocks you will have the same experience as you used to but i believe half the stuff is rubbish and like all drugs you should be very fussy if you want to make sure you're getting what yor paying for!

( first post sorry if im missing something key with what i say or how i worded it all)

 

[Jabberwocky]

Here's the link. These are from my batch. I won't say how they ended up coming from Atlanta.

https://www.ecstasydata.org/view.php?id=4292&mobile=1

I know there's no mention of mgs with regards to US pills, but the fact I was literally still high 2 days later tells me the mgs are high.

Where do you think most pills in the US are originating from? Not here.

Le Junk

I stand corrected on the GCMS -- after realizing how the data was presented