EADD Benzo Discussion v. Finally remembered to start a new thread.

[BigG]

Should have given you some odanzetron as well. Might help to keep the water down.

I got a mate from work to bring me a litre of 0.9% saline and a cannula round last night. The dehydration had got so bad I was actually really concerned......

After running the drip through and then drinking a couple of bottles of isotonic sports drink I felt so much better.....

 

[consumer]

I got a mate from work to bring me a litre of 0.9% saline and a cannula round last night. The dehydration had got so bad I was actually really concerned......

After running the drip through and then drinking a couple of bottles of isotonic sports drink I felt so much better.....

I said you would need that in the last email. Glad you did. Hypovolaemia is not to be messed with after all the shit you have already been through

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Due to excessive fucking around with Geeb my benzo taper is now way off schedule and im gonna need to re-order so that i dont run out.

Xanax or Alprozam is said to be easily available and cheap. For anyone thats tried it how does it compare to say diclaz or pyraz, i gather its very strong? As strong as phenaz?

I can alway dilute it heavily with PG if its insanely strong. Its just an emergency meeasure incase i do happen to run out. My G will be gone soon, so i'll be able to concentrate 100% on the Bzs then, as G fucks up my BZ dose very time. And 3 times a week is far too often for that.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

I mentioned Valerian to which he said: "no no, valerian contains valium" (face palm). He obviously isnt too clued in

No. Just no. Your doctor needs complaining about to the GMC if he really said that and needs striking off. It's one of the stupidest urban myths around and for a doctor to say it is scandalous.

That's the worst I've heard from a GP in a long time. Fucking outrageous idiot.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

No. Just no. Your doctor needs complaining about to the GMC if he really said that and needs striking off. It's one of the stupidest urban myths around and for a doctor to say it is scandalous.

That's the worst I've heard from a GP in a long time. Fucking outrageous idiot.

Sounds about right. Id love to know what they actually learn at medical school, as most GPs I've encountered Google your symptoms then choose your medication from their 'look it up book of drugs'...

 

[mydrugbuddy]

My GP was giggling about the fact that her reference book was over 20 years old, and was unlikely to have any RCs in it at all. Needless to say i was not very impressed.

Earning over £100,000 p/a i think they could afford a new reference book every couple of years or so.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Earning over £100,000 p/a i think they could afford a new reference book every couple of years or so.

Dunno how often you fly but when you get a call out in mid-air "is there a doctor on the plane" about half a dozen, at least, come forward. And as long as they've got Google, you're gonna be fine. They don't say flying is the safest form of travel for nothing.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

yeah, i guess books are becoming more redundant, although it may be easier to consult a huge tomb than to find a specific drug online. Although if they can search there should be no issues. They'd probably have to subscribe to some online GPs publication. Cant say my heart bleeds too much for them.

 

[consumer]

My GP is awesome. She is thorough. Does not rush me in and out. Has no problem prescribing me benzos or opioids short term when i need them. I am currently on a slow diazepam taper after the death of my father. She isn't rushing me with it. Pretty much doing at the pace that i want. So there are good gp's out there.

 

[headfuck123]

No. Just no. Your doctor needs complaining about to the GMC if he really said that and needs striking off. It's one of the stupidest urban myths around and for a doctor to say it is scandalous.

That's the worst I've heard from a GP in a long time. Fucking outrageous idiot.

Whats even worse is that he recommended chamomile tea claiming it contained benzodiazepines and enough of it could knock out a horse lol. But in fairness despite all that he is a good Dr and usually focuses on diet and nutrition rather than handing out pills to mask symptoms which is miles better than the stories i hear from the states about Drs handing out pills like candy to make a quick buck even if they make you worse off.

He is letting me taper at my own pace. Week one I was on 3 5mg diaz per day, the second week he kept my script the same and said its up to me how much I want to cut down so i cut out 2.5mg this week and hope to cut a further 2.5mg from this friday. He said I could stay at 10mg for a few weeks if need be and he can script me 2mg tablets to make the taper easier to manage if I want. Might take that offer as ive never came across 2mg activis diaz before.

 

[Sadie]

TBF, when I was in hospital fruit tea would knock me out, ask Sham.

Sadly it no longer has that effect. Also, I also avoided caffeine and was on DHC and a prawn cocktail of other drugs..... Hmmm..... It has psychologically affected me though, I do still get very chilled when I drink fruit tea even though I know it has no sedative properties.

Sorry, Head, I know that doesn't help you, I'm just waffling.


I really hope the taper is working for you. I know it's not the result you really want with your doctor but it sounds like you have a very understanding one. Amazing in fact. Best of luck darlin xx

 

[Wilson Wilson]

Due to excessive fucking around with Geeb my benzo taper is now way off schedule and im gonna need to re-order so that i dont run out.

Xanax or Alprozam is said to be easily available and cheap. For anyone thats tried it how does it compare to say diclaz or pyraz, i gather its very strong? As strong as phenaz?

I can alway dilute it heavily with PG if its insanely strong. Its just an emergency meeasure incase i do happen to run out. My G will be gone soon, so i'll be able to concentrate 100% on the Bzs then, as G fucks up my BZ dose very time. And 3 times a week is far too often for that.

Much more sedating and much shorter legs. Xanax is over-hyped really. Not a bad benzo but most of the fun is in the onset, then it either wears off or sends you to sleep. It is however excellent for treatment of acute anxiety.

 

[headfuck123]

TBF, when I was in hospital fruit tea would knock me out, ask Sham.

Sadly it no longer has that effect. Also, I also avoided caffeine and was on DHC and a prawn cocktail of other drugs..... Hmmm..... It has psychologically affected me though, I do still get very chilled when I drink fruit tea even though I know it has no sedative properties.

Sorry, Head, I know that doesn't help you, I'm just waffling.


I really hope the taper is working for you. I know it's not the result you really want with your doctor but it sounds like you have a very understanding one. Amazing in fact. Best of luck darlin xx

It seems to be going pretty well. By friday Ill have reduced 30% of my initial dose 3 weeks in which is pretty good going. Anxiety isnt that bad but the shaky hands and short temper / moodyness isnt ideal as I work with my hands and with people for a living (not what you think hehe). I think i'll stay at 10mg for a couple weeks then proceed to cut 1 or 2mg per week from there but its not set in stone.

No need to apologise Sadie I get you, the placebo effect from a hot caffiene free drink in the evening can work wonders. Last night for example I smoked 1 too many bongs (I usually just smoke small joints throughout the day) which made my symptoms worse but after a cup of chamomile tea and some valerian tincture I was fine again and ready for sleep at a reasonable time.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Whats even worse is that he recommended chamomile tea claiming it contained benzodiazepines and enough of it could knock out a horse lol. But in fairness despite all that he is a good Dr and usually focuses on diet and nutrition rather than handing out pills to mask symptoms which is miles better than the stories i hear from the states about Drs handing out pills like candy to make a quick buck even if they make you worse off.

He is letting me taper at my own pace. Week one I was on 3 5mg diaz per day, the second week he kept my script the same and said its up to me how much I want to cut down so i cut out 2.5mg this week and hope to cut a further 2.5mg from this friday. He said I could stay at 10mg for a few weeks if need be and he can script me 2mg tablets to make the taper easier to manage if I want. Might take that offer as ive never came across 2mg activis diaz before.

Valerian Root is actually used for horse food. I doubt that it sedates the horses though, even if they eat it by the sackfull. Horse owners obviously must be very wealthy to home them, train them, and feed them,; Valerian Root is not cheap. I bought a couple of packs for making VR tea, to see if it helped quit Bupe, and a couple of 500g packs cost about £40 -£50 iirc; not worth it!! it did not help really at all in anyway, i think its all purely Placebo effect whether one finds it sedating and soothing or not.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Much more sedating and much shorter legs. Xanax is over-hyped really. Not a bad benzo but most of the fun is in the onset, then it either wears off or sends you to sleep. It is however excellent for treatment of acute anxiety.

interesting. How short exactly are the short legs? Would it let me get to sleep and stay asleep do you think? Or i may have to try an alternative. Myabe Meclon powder which is very easily available, expensive too though as fairly high doses are required and 1g costs well over €120. It might also be too recreational and enjoyable, which isnt going to be helpful when trying to taper. It's looking like im going to have to play this by ear.

 

[headfuck123]

With valerian id say the most effective stuff I tried was a tincture I got which also has hops extract. It isnt going to knock me out but definatly helps me get to sleep during the tougher nights of my taper. Before that id tried the powdered root in capsules which didnt work very well and even worse was loose roots which done literally fuck all when making tea.

If you insist on tapering with RC benzos just stick with diclaz on its own and use liquid titration to make it easier as im guessing you only have access to powder at the minute. Prices are crazy compared to when it was sold in the UK though.

Xanax is a bad idea. Has a really short half life so your likely to dose multiple times a day and rack up your tolerance. Id really advise getting help from your GP, bring in printed info about the RC benzos you have been using and explain that the ban means you dont have access to them anymore and explain how long you've been dependant. The worst that could happen is you might be referred to an addiction service that may delay getting a Diaz script but your not the first person to be in this situation and wont be the last. They cant simply snub you off as an addict and tell you to sort yourself out as far as im aware.

Best of luck MDB and lay off the gee or any other gaba drugs.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Cheers HF, afaik there is no other way to come off benzos, other than gradually reducing the dose?

I couldnt feel the diclaz atall the last time i bought it, but as you say it may be worth trying again. Its not all that expensive from EU vendors thankfully. I might prefer meclonazepam powder though. Yeah i get the powders, much better vfm in general, and no bunk pills. I will forget tha Xanax for the reasons you suggest.

The geeb has almost all gone. Then when it has i wont acquire any more until im off the BZs, if ever. It is becoming problematic now tbh, not only does it fuck up my Bz tolerance, it fucks up my sleep, and if im gonna be awake all night long, there is literally nothing better to do than try to enjoy it, by indulging in my favorite music and maybe adding some stims, and noids too, for a very rounded and enjoyable 'sonic landscape'.

It will be for my own good when its gone, i cant bring myself to dispose of it in some harmless as possible way (probably diluting it and emptying on concrete on a sunny day so that it jsut evaporates away), i woundt want to be responsible for tipping that stuff into the water drainage, might be detactable and traceable for a start, and when i have it i cant leave it alone, especially when my sleep cycle is completely fucked, how bored would i be all night otherwise. I'll probably be finishing it off in the next week or 2, just before i start developing a physical dependeance, obviously not a moment too soon. And i can start looking for a job again then too.

I wouldnt really want BZ problems on my medical records, even though im extremely unlikely to ever get a job that's 'high flying' enough to ever require a medical records check. I'd just rather be in control of the taper myself. Although admitedly that hasnt gone so well, so far.

 

[headfuck123]

Its nothing to be ashamed of having been on benzos and imo being in control of your own taper without the support of a GP is an endless cycle as I found out the hard way. If you do go the NHS taper route you WILL be in control of your taper but your Dr will check up on you every week or so to see if your ready to reduce to dose or not. I find the routine of this really helpful and encourages me to stick it out and never take a backwards step by upping the dose. Plus you get free diazepam (the gold standard benzo imo).

Nothing to lose really by going the medical route and the whole job thing is a silly reason to avoid professional help for a medical issue you have been struggling with for years. Sorry if that came across as blunt but its just my 2 cents on it all and after years of using rc benzos and trying to taper myself, ive finally realised I should have gone to my GP far sooner.

 

[consumer]

Yeah i agree with headfuck. I would be going for a gp managed taper with diazepam. Safer and i think the chances of success would be higher with the support and supervision of a gp.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Hmm, only problem is that Diazepam is so much weaker than the RC BZs im used to, the usual thing of 6-10 times stronger applies to most RC BZs compared to Diazepam.. And im still taking 6 - 10 mg of the RC BZs every day, after this last 6 months has been a total fuck up regarding the Bz taper.

I fear that no GP will believe me regarding my dose, and simply will not be willing to dish out 60-100mg of Diazepam every day.