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Dissociatives The Big & Dandy Eticyclidone / 2‘-Oxo-PCE Thread

I second that. Dissociatives can potentiate and prolong the effects of stimulants significantly for me. You are also bound to do stupid stuff like running over streets stuffed with cars or spilling 30L fishing tanks and the like lol.

I went to my old place today to take care of the mess. That apartment is full of furniture and cartons leaning against the walls and standing in the way with little space left to move. The mattress I laid out on the floor to sleep on actually soaked up roughly 20L. Looks like the water damage won't cost me thousands of euros after all. The place still like a fucking tornado went ballistic in there. I also found several empty syringes, placing my dose somewhere in the 200mg range. Judging by the state of my arms I tried to IV more than the initial 50mg dose, but ended up IM'ing them judging by the pain inside my muscles. it I'm still slightly impaired 25 hours later (100mg IM had me alive and kicking after 10h or so, see report).

I remember it got so bad I didn't know who I was anymore and all the things I saw were someone else's things. I've been to that place many times and it has never been pretty. I have no idea why I still have such an insatiable desire for dissociatives. I've shot any substance I could get to dissolve in water or propylene glyycol after getting my hands on them and while I should really not have survived some episodes or events, I can usually produce the desired effects relatively reliably, but the class of drug that makes me feel the worst I've ever felt in my life on more than half the 'occasions' I use them has me on my knees begging for more (to be fair no drug ever really seems to make me feel how I want to feel when deciding to take them, not in the way I seem to remember to have felt on it before).

EDIT: Godd I keep skipping words when typing up these posts, having to go through them more than twice until I've spotted such mistakes eventhough its been over 40 hours since I shot those 200mg. I can't remember it ever having been this bad even after the most brutal sessions. Must be a problem associated with this substance in particular if you ask me.

I decided I would not use dissociatives anymore several times within these 2 weeks since my last break of several months ended and probably a hundred times in the decade before that, but as little as a day or two after I made those decisions I see myself receiving 3 letters and shooting those little devils every free moment I get, cancelling all appointments and declining all offers to socialize, even on days I've got really important shit to do (except for the three days per week I care for my daughter on). It's been 12 years since I discovered ketamine and pcp and while both substances and their analogues allowed me to have some beautiful and absolutely mind blowing experiences, there are few things for me that are harder to understand than said unsatiable desire.

Why could it be attractive to lose control over all motor skills and completely lose any sense of identity, all dominated by complete and utter bewilderment and alienation for the nightmare one is moving through? How in fuck's name could that be possible?! I've pondered this question a lot and will surely never find a single ultimate answer to it.

All I can say to those who think they've found the magic cure for all their problems during the honeymoon phase of their use is to be aware of how dark a road you could find yourself walking down, a road devoid of any goals or sense of purpose, chasing after that mystical experience you once cherished so much. I'm still grateful these substances exist since they pulled me out of depressed states more than once, being bipolar and unable to use monoaminergic reuptake inhibitors for that purpose, but more times than not they plain opened the gates to hell and made death of accidental self injury a very acute and real theat.

Also: Cr00k, I love reading your posts; I know it's OT but isn't today the day, where the new German blanket ban becomes legally valid? I am not familiar with bluelights rules, feel free to delete this but Germany is definitely taking a big step into the wrong direction... people will just go back to meth/speed and shit like that instead of all the banned rc's... /rant over
Thank you for those words, it really means something to me. It is that day. I know customs has systematically been keeping letters sent through certain channels to keep them until this day. I have however dialed dozens of phone numbers until I found one not supposed to be called by "customers" (lol) in order to distance myself from the one last letter of mine they still have in their possession (it contained a 2-phenylethylamine which are now all banned preemptively along with cannabinoids). I can't say I am entirely unhappy about the ban eventhough I agree it's a step in the wrong direction. Possession of small amounts is still unproblematic, but sale will be pursued vigorously I suppose.
 
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I second that. Dissociatives can potentiate and prolong the effects of stimulants significantly for me. You are also bound to do stupid stuff like running over streets stuffed with cars or spilling 30L fishing tanks and the like lol.

I went to my old place today to take care of the mess. That apartment is full of furniture and cartons leaning against the walls and standing in the way with little space left to move. The mattress I laid out on the floor to sleep on actually soaked up roughly 20L. Looks like the water damage won't cost me thousands of euros after all. The place still like a fucking tornado went ballistic in there. I also found several empty syringes, placing my dose somewhere in the 200mg range. Judging by the state of my arms I tried to IV more than the initial 50mg dose, but ended up IM'ing them judging by the pain inside my muscles. it I'm still slightly impaired 25 hours later (100mg IM had me alive and kicking after 10h or so, see report).

I remember it got so bad I didn't know who I was anymore and all the things I saw were someone else's things. I've been to that place many times and it has never been pretty. I have no idea why I still have such an insatiable desire for dissociatives. I've shot any substance I could get to dissolve in water or propylene glyycol after getting my hands on them and while I should really not have survived some episodes or events, I can usually produce the desired effects relatively reliably, but the class of drug that makes me feel the worst I've ever felt in my life on more than half the 'occasions' I use them has me on my knees begging for more (to be fair no drug ever really seems to make me feel how I want to feel when deciding to take them, not in the way I seem to remember to have felt on it before).

EDIT: Godd I keep skipping words when typing up these posts, having to go through them more than twice until I've spotted such mistakes eventhough its been over 40 hours since I shot those 200mg. I can't remember it ever having been this bad even after the most brutal sessions. Must be a problem associated with this substance in particular if you ask me.

I decided I would not use dissociatives anymore several times within these 2 weeks since my last break of several months ended and probably a hundred times in the decade before that, but as little as a day or two after I made those decisions I see myself receiving 3 letters and shooting those little devils every free moment I get, cancelling all appointments and declining all offers to socialize, even on days I've got really important shit to do (except for the three days per week I care for my daughter on). It's been 12 years since I discovered ketamine and pcp and while both substances and their analogues allowed me to have some beautiful and absolutely mind blowing experiences, there are few things for me that are harder to understand than said unsatiable desire.

Why could it be attractive to lose control over all motor skills and completely lose any sense of identity, all dominated by complete and utter bewilderment and alienation for the nightmare one is moving through? How in fuck's name could that be possible?! I've pondered this question a lot and will surely never find a single ultimate answer to it.

All I can say to those who think they've found the magic cure for all their problems during the honeymoon phase of their use is to be aware of how dark a road you could find yourself walking down, a road devoid of any goals or sense of purpose, chasing after that mystical experience you once cherished so much. I'm still grateful these substances exist since they pulled me out of depressed states more than once, being bipolar and unable to use monoaminergic reuptake inhibitors for that purpose, but more times than not they plain opened the gates to hell and made death of accidental self injury a very acute and real theat.

Thank you for those words, it really means something to me. It is that day. I know customs has systematically been keeping letters sent through certain channels to keep them until this day. I have however dialed dozens of phone numbers until I found one not supposed to be called by "customers" (lol) in order to distance myself from the one last letter of mine they still have in their possession (it contained a 2-phenylethylamine which are now all banned preemptively along with cannabinoids). I can't say I am entirely unhappy about the ban eventhough I agree it's a step in the wrong direction. Possession of small amounts is still unproblematic, but sale will be pursued vigorously I suppose.
i feel you bro, I also find myself breaking promises of sparing my usage, beeing aware how bad to my life, mind and body is binging on this sfuff. Dissos are one of the most addictive substances I've ever tried, and I did all kinds of benzos, opiates and stims. I will happily pass the rest of my life without trying meth, alprazolam or heroin again. But don't touch my dissos! The scape of reality they provide is not compared to anything
 
i feel you bro, I also find myself breaking promises of sparing my usage, beeing aware how bad to my life, mind and body is binging on this sfuff. Dissos are one of the most addictive substances I've ever tried, and I did all kinds of benzos, opiates and stims. I will happily pass the rest of my life without trying meth, alprazolam or heroin again. But don't touch my dissos! The scape of reality they provide is not compared to anything
Vey true. That is the sad reality, as much as the devil in us tries to deny it (also something I don't personally see with other drugs). The craziest part is that I've barely recovered from those 200mg and already find myself craving again. Wtf?!
 
Well that is something even alcohol users like most of the population can relate to. That classical Sunday hangover when you tell yourself "I won't touch alcohol again" but you see yourself drunk another time every weekend.ahhhh, humans... We can be soooo stupid
 
Since the MXE drought (I've not made an effort to ferret out any extant sources) I've used dissociatives less, though a few times I've found myself falling back into frequent, MXE-like usage, with 2-Oxo-PCE (O-PCE).

I've never used any other class of drug so frequently (and I've been around the block), which is strange since dissociatives don't appear to be physically addictive. The explanation for this that I've made for myself is that I don't perceive any short-tern drawbacks to use of MXE or 2-Oxo-PCE. I have next day hangovers from cannabis, with short term memory issues extending for up to three days after heavy use -- and that's friendly old cannabis! I'm fine the next day after my typical light to moderate dosages of the said dissociatives. People can't typically tell I'm on them either, unlike cannabis or alcohol.

The problem is, in the long term, I don't want to be a person who is frequently inebriated, but the human mind evolved in environments where the long term future was highly unpredictable. Therefore, it pays lip service to the future but doesn't really "feel" in the moment like it's of that much consequence. However, in the modern world where you need to create your persona and persevere for years to achieve most interesting things in life it's usually important to stay sober and focused for long periods of time. You can't be taking mental vacations frequently because that makes the mild sober motivation to achieve long term goals seem insufficient, if not entirely unperceivable.
 
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The problem is, in the long term, I don't want to be a person who is frequently inebriated, but the human mind evolved environments where the long term future was highly unpredictable. Therefore, it pays lip service to the future but doesn't really "feel" in the moment like it's of that much consequence. However, in the modern world where you need to create your persona and persevere for years to achieve most interesting things in life it's usually important to stay sober and focused for long periods of time. You can't be taking mental vacations frequently because that makes the mild sober motivation to achieve long term goals seem insufficient, if not entirely unperceivable.
Very wise words right there and absolutely spot-on!
 
Not really sure what to make of it

It is similar to MXE but for sure is it's own creature

Not really sure on duration and dosing either....I guess I should get my scales out and stop eyeballing

Oral and nasal really feel quite similar
 
With regard to long lasting stimulation, dose doesn't seem to matter, subjectively anyway. If I feel the dissociative effects, I'm left unable to nap or sleep for a good 3-5 hours afterward. Preferred ROA is vaping the freebase (o-pce+baking soda+tiny bit of water+heat) but this also applies to insufflation. The stimulation from this shouldn't be confused with mania or euphoria. It's more a nuisance. As if one were wearing nicotine patches and drinking coffee while attempting to sleep.
 
Vey true. That is the sad reality, as much as the devil in us tries to deny it (also something I don't personally see with other drugs). The craziest part is that I've barely recovered from those 200mg and already find myself craving again. Wtf?!


Ive found that my fitness lifestyle keeps my dissio use under control.
I suspect that the reconecting with my body every time i hit the gym makes it less worth it to get high and disconected from reality to often.

The better i feel in my body sober the better the hole will feel once i choose to plunge in.
But the important part is that i make the choice to get high instead of the drug controling me.

But honestly i know i cant have dissios around so i only buy whatever amount i want to use in a couple of days at a time.
 
The stimulation from this shouldn't be confused with mania or euphoria. It's more a nuisance. As if one were wearing nicotine patches and drinking coffee while attempting to sleep.
This.
 
Hi, I thought I want to share my experience so far.

I take ~ 20-30mg per week, especially on the weekend so I can keep my head clear during the week at work. 20-30mg at once is much for me, somehow I do not really exceed my tolerance over this barrier, so I swallow about 7-10mg at friday and 7-10mg twice at saturday. This is a scheme I inherit for about 4-5 Weeks. And by now i think my life has improved. My alcohol abuse is somehow blown away. 1-2 beer is enough on a friday afternoon. And I drink much slower than before. My urge to smoke wheed is completely lost, because I want to do things and I can't while i am on wheed :D mostly because of lazyness^^
I still have my problems with depression and altered perception of social interaction, but i think i am on the right way with this stuff in low doses at the weekends. Maybe some of you wanted to hear...

Anyhow, the discussion about antibiotic properties clearly has to end. I read it from time to time, and here are some of my thoughts on it. Spread the word :D
It is NOT a antibiotic against bacteria. Not in our range. Maybe at very high doses ( 500mg ? ), but that is not worth a try. Not at all, because intolerant people die at 100-150mg. If you read the patent on 2-oxo-pcm, you will only read, that the feeling/condition/status of the patients with VIRUS infections like herpes zoster improved. Maybe because it is a psycho-active? The parameters are not cleared out on this.

About the addiction potential: yes, it is there. But I think it is not addictive as alcohol or other stuff. It is more a dependency. I can only speak for myself, i really need it. But i don't need much of it, and I am not addicted to it and it's not that i try to search some deeper truths in the dissociation or somewhat. From my point of view I am currently medicating myself on experimental anti-depressant. It is working somehow, but still risky. I will report more later on, by now i am somehow happy with my situation. Greetings! :)
 
I think it is not addictive as alcohol or other stuff. It is more a dependency. I can only speak for myself, i really need it. But i don't need much of it, and I am not addicted to it and it's not that i try to search some deeper truths in the dissociation or somewhat. From my point of view I am currently medicating myself on experimental anti-depressant.
Quoted for your future self to read.
 
I find it to be mentally addictive as MXE was. I am not sure about physical addiction. After the month I was groggy and other little things but I didn't feel like it was a harsh w/d or comedown except mentally desiring to do it again.

I also don't drink, and have the time to play with it a good amount at the moment. I feel like if I was still drinking, I would use it as a replacement; like I did with MXE.
 
This substance does neither fit into the "recreational", nor the "functional" category for me.

I'm not sure, whether it is poison or medicine. =D
 
Quoted for your future self to read.
well yeah, this is the interesting part. 2 Monts ago i was on 10mg every day for a week,but i found that simply too much. And for now i think o-pce is a stake in my life, from which i can grow out and live without afterwards hopefully. What do you think crook? I guess you are one step farther from my consume behaviour, or?
 
well yeah, this is the interesting part. 2 Monts ago i was on 10mg every day for a week,but i found that simply too much. And for now i think o-pce is a stake in my life, from which i can grow out and live without afterwards hopefully. What do you think crook? I guess you are one step farther from my consume behaviour, or?

I am really interested, what your goal was by ingesting it every day. I orally took 9mg today and one hour later I felt like having injected a few shots of Vodka for a little period, while my thinking was not impaired the slightest. I'm not sure, yet, whether it was influenced at all.

The main effect of this substance is motoric impairment, the after effects include mild (not annoying) stimulation. I cannot comprehend, how this drug can be utilized (yet).
 
I am really interested, what your goal was by ingesting it every day. I orally took 9mg today and one hour later I felt like having injected a few shots of Vodka for a little period, while my thinking was not impaired the slightest. I'm not sure, yet, whether it was influenced at all.

The main effect of this substance is motoric impairment, the after effects include mild (not annoying) stimulation. I cannot comprehend, how this drug can be utilized (yet).

On reading your other posts, it is likely you habe tolerance to a certain aspect of the drug. I think most the larger dose and long term users would agree it is far better when mixed with a tryptamines or lysergamide, I wonder if you are tolerant to like SERT effects or something. That's all speculation but I find it odd that you seem to have such an unpleasant experience with this one.

Also, I consider this first and foremost a "holing" drug. If you aren't looking for a hole, or if you use this one nasally, it is kind of useless.
 
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