The Big & Dandy ALD-52 Thread

[MSP0]

I took 125ug of ALD and while I had a great trip, the visuals felt a little lacking. I wont be tripping for a while, but maybe someone here could try the lemon juice experiment? Since the acetate is pretty labile (especially since the nitrogen lone pair is caught up in contributing to aromaticity), I wonder if soaking a tab in lemon juice for 30-60 mins then drinking the whole thing would effectively pre-convert all the ald to LSD. This would be the equivalent to the conversion of psilocybin to psilocin. Anyone want to give this a try? Also, Im wondering if a similar effect could be had by simply swallowing the tab rather than sublingual dosing. Has anyone had any experience with differences in dosing this stuff?

 

[eclipse3130]

Oops my post was randomly deleted, ALD should have its own flavor as it should be active in the BBB before ever metabolizing, but I've also heard it readily hydrolyzes into LSD. I don't think that's true or it would be for 4-Aco tryps as well, I know citric acid may cleave the acetyl group, somebody would have to blind it, but then again this one is so close to LSD you're gonna need to be aware of minor subtleties.

BP the source is from nicks mouth directly, the other 2 are from speculation of memory, of course this isn't real cited evidence.

 

[TheBlackPirate]

The recent public speaking events Nick Sand participated in were actually recorded and I provided links with those earlier in this topic. None of those podcasts I listened through suggest Orange Sunshine was anything other than ALD-52. Both Alexander Shulgin in TiHKAL and Wikipeida mention Orange Sunshine was possibly ALD-52. Thus far the only verifiable evidence obtainable suggests Orange Sunshine was possibly ALD-52.

 

[eclipse3130]

There is no sure answer on the internet, you may believe whatever you want, in my case I'm going to believe what he said.

 

[IamMe90]

There is no sure answer on the internet, you may believe whatever you want, in my case I'm going to believe what he said.

He wants you to provide evidence that he actually said that. Is it really that onerous of a request if he actually did say that? For that matter, I'm curious too. I couldn't find anything about it via google searching. Did you actually hear a recording of him say that, or are you just saying what other people have said?

 

[eclipse3130]

Sand said Orange Sunshine were 250 ug hits of LSD-25 very pure and blessed with good intent - he said the amazing thing about Orange Sunshine is that every hit was exactly the same.
He talks about this in this speech he gave at Burning Man 2006, and quite a few other people have reported hearing Owsley state this as well in person and via email, there were a few reports from the lab came back with testings of OS with 255mcg and 254mcg as well

 

[Toltec]

I talked with Owsley via email a few years back... He told me OS was Pure LSD and the hits were 250 to 300 per barrel...
I still need to know and have not had a chance to try my 300ug of ALD-52 as yet...

I do think because the Crystal was blessed, is what gave it that magic.... crystals hold intent, and are programable..
Set and setting, another reason why... We manifest what we individually believe into reality... and or co-create in groups...

So I personally believe that taking LSD in the upper dose ranges 300 to 500ug is where the magic is... I do personally pray over my doses to remove the intents of the previus handelers.....

What ever works for you
Namaste & happy trails

 

[TheBlackPirate]

^You realize Owsley Stanley died longer than "a few" years ago? Owsley Stanley died over half a decade ago. 6 years ago this March.

 

[Toltec]

My email to Owsley was sent a year before he died...
I should have added that to my last post.

On a personal note:
I do believe now that OS was very clean 300ug + Lsd and "Blessed" and the raves it had at the time of how special it was played a very big part in the psychology of what kind of trip one manifested and that includes my experiences, it was amazing.

Remember Owsley’s 3 colored LSD pill experiment each colored pill came back with a different experience. There are clues in that experiment to pay attention to and learn from... If you want a good trip> manifest it.

I would like to say that Bluelight readers especially the young ones that are still figuring out life, reading the advice and experiences imagined or not by other Bl posters does determine their set & setting that they bring to their experiences while under the influence.

I am looking forward to trying out my 300ug ald-52.. Very soon after I reset my tolerance back to zero.
I took about 400 ug of fluff LSD this time last month, so I have got to wait a full month. This will be my personal comparison test…

I hope this helps
Namaste & Happy Trails

 

[Bigazznugz]

I do believe now that OS was very clean 300ug + Lsd and "Blessed" and the raves it had at the time of how special it was played a very big part in the psychology of what kind of trip one manifested and that includes my experiences, it was amazing.

That's really cool being able to "bless" crystal. I don't really have a psychedelic teacher, so I have never even considered this. How would you personally go about doing that toltec? Besides like staring really hard at it and saying 'give me good vibes'.
I do believe that ald-52 was just banging high dose lsd. And was brought up as a very clever defense strategy. Commercially I wouldn't see them making this too many extra steps and it's less potent.
It probably was blessed, but the hype or aura surrounding it manifested itself in the trip.
Also I'll will search but do you have a link for the 3 color expierement?
Happy trails,
Nugz

 

[Toltec]

It is pretty simple to bless anything, all you have to do is to put your intent into it.
All thou in the late 60’s early 70’s acid culture people back then were much more peaceful then than now and could have been much more receptive when hey were told it was blest.

Blessing opens the way for the manifestation of what we truly desire to receive in our lives. When we bless something it "confers energy" upon the object of our focus. This blessing uplifts the energy and releases the contraction of fear that holds any sense of lack, feelings that there is not enough energy, all that holds back the gifts of abundant life that we so desire. All life is simply energy manifesting from our focus of attention.

Blessing Lsd with Love is all that they did I believe.
But if a person is a negative thinker, they can change the intent of the blessed object.
Into what they believe or not.

Being aware of this act and re-blessing your doses will make every trip a memorable time
Only If you agree with it.

or like most just roll the dice


http://www.masaru-emoto.net/english/water-crystal.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1-0ulKgmio
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture /news/owsley-stanley-the-king-of-lsd-20110314?page=5

 

[TheBlackPirate]

Sand said Orange Sunshine were 250 ug hits of LSD-25 very pure and blessed with good intent - he said the amazing thing about Orange Sunshine is that every hit was exactly the same.
He talks about this in this speech he gave at Burning Man 2006, and quite a few other people have reported hearing Owsley state this as well in person and via email, there were a few reports from the lab came back with testings of OS with 255mcg and 254mcg as well

I listened through the podcast again and Nick Sand didn't say any of those things in the lecture nor the question and answer period.

Nick Sand said the DEA said the Orange Sunshine doses were exactly 300ug each and also said he had produced LSD analogues. Nick Sand never said Orange Sunshine was LSD nor did he say LSD was produced in the dosages mentioned in your quote. Perhaps I had misheard.

Perhaps if others listen through this they could notice something I didn't hear.

Podcast 048 – 2006 Palenque Norte Lectures Sample
Posted on September 12, 2006 by Lorenzo

Guest speakers: Mark Pesce, Erik Davis, Daniel Pinchbeck, Alex Grey, Allyson Grey, and Nick Sand

PROGRAM NOTES: This was the most ambitious schedule yet for the Palenque Norte lectures, 39 speakers in four days. Thanks to the good folks at Entheon Village who provided the facility, which was one of the largest tents on the playa […]

 

[eclipse3130]

You're not going to find the evidence online, only the people that were actually there and in the scene knew. There are a few posters on forums who hold valuable experience and information. They were most likely 300, but I never had the factual info, the testings I think were done years later and could have lost potency, I do know he was very precise in making the doses exactly the same, be it 300 or 250. I think that's the part you're missing I heard it directly from his mouth that orange sunshine was LSD, obviously there is no for sure answer online or we would have one, we only know what he has told people.

I do believe it could have been made and distributed to a lesser degree, but we will never truly know, only the people that have had face to face discussion.
What we do know is that ALD-52 is DIFFERENT than LSD, has been noted to have a greater/lesser hypertensive effect on blood pressure, milder visuals and eased of anxiety. There was a study report ALD is actually 50% less potent than LSD, and less chance of delirium/psychosis due to its lesser psychotomintetic effects, the potency is relative due to double the antiserotonin effect and 1 /10th the pyretogenic action of the drug comparing to LSD

 

[perpetualdawn]

I listened through the podcast again and Nick Sand didn't say any of those things in the lecture nor the question and answer period.

Nick Sand said the DEA said the Orange Sunshine doses were exactly 300ug each and also said he had produced LSD analogues. Nick Sand never said Orange Sunshine was LSD nor did he say LSD was produced in the dosages mentioned in your quote. Perhaps I had misheard.

Perhaps if others listen through this they could notice something I didn't hear.

I also remember hearing one of those palenque norte lectures where someone (Nick Sand I guess?) said that Orange Sunshine really was just exceptionally evenly dosed LSD. I wish I noted which one it was and where he said it. I heard it pretty recently.

It's been my understanding that Orange Sunshine really was simply LSD, I thought that was pretty well established. But who knows! Maybe someone has one kicking around somewhere and can get it analyzed. In any case, I fully support ALD-52 being nicknamed Orange Sunshine, because even though it adds to the murkiness around this debate, it's a great name and a great piece of psychedelic mythology, and really, who cares? It makes a great story.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

^Yes, seriously... who the hell cares guys? Please stop debating this here.

 

[eclipse3130]

https://soundcloud.com/lozo-3827826...ure?in=lozo-382782666/sets/psychedelic-elders

Orange Sunshine is mentioned a few times in this recording, he even agrees to creating analogues but he never admits to OS being anything other than LSD. At this point I don't think it matters as well unless you're trying to compare it to the Sunshines in the 60s/70s which were blessed and perfectly dosed. It is here, for us to research we shall be thankful and continue to spread love

 

[TheBlackPirate]

^I already provided the above lecture first earlier in this thread from the original source, The Psychedelic Salon's website. Some of the observations from my earlier comment were from this 2006 Burning Man lecture podcast. Nick Sand never said Orange Sunshine was LSD in the 2006 Burning Man talks. In the talks Nick Sand specifically said LSD and Orange Sunshine had different properties. Paraphrased Nick Said: LSD degrades in any storage conditions. Nick then goes on and says he was given a decades old Orange Sunshine dose and the dose was as potent as the doses had ever been.

This was towards the end of it.

Let's continue with the other discussions in this thread.

 

[my3rdeye]

Personally I would find it pretty easy to distinguish 1plsd from and also ald-52 from plain lsd.
1p lsd is acid lite to me you gotta take like 250ugs + to get what you would get out of 100ugs of lsd. The visuals are diffent and not as elaborate as lsd also a shorter duration.

No way is 250 mics of 1p equal to 100 mics of LSD. Like I know this all subjective and I can't just go around telling you people you are all just wrong (totally wrong the visuals are identical and 1p/lsd last the same amount of time), but saying 250 mics of 1p is equal to 100 mics of LSD is so wrong I have to call you on it. Kids are coming here and basing dosing info on these threads. I get the most classic LSD patterns from 1p, same patterns exactly the same.
I don't believe you or anyone else could tell 100 mics of 1p from a 100 mics of LSD. You see differences due to placebo effect not because chemicals are different.

 

[Ballz_Trippington]

Also how could anyone be sure that there regular LSD is 100 mics??
That's a big part of the problem and why LSD seems so variable.
One hit could have 50ug and another could have 150. There is literally no way to know the exact or even rough dosage of liquid or blotter street acid. I don't care how solid anyone's connection is. A dealer will make wayyyyy more money telling everyone his tabs have 250 mics on em when they only got 100.

 

[headfuck123]

In my experience, 1 blotter of supposedly 125ug LSD (probably closer to 80 - 100ug) is more intense and cheaper than 100ug of 1p-lsd or 125ug of ALD52. visually and mentally