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I converted to Catholicism after many years deep in the drug culture, AMA

Humans make gods. It's what they do. In isolated populations people will look for greater purpose. Greater meaning. It's a pattern in humanity. Now I understand these religions caught some steam, got some writing, some wind in its sails. But from an objective view of the world. They are all systemic from a human desire to create stories and religeons. A lot of the stories are reused and plagarized from Zoroastrian/Mesopotamian stories. When we die it's a blank screen. O well.
 
when you take the ego out of the question, God is apparent. The problem is people think of god like a person controling the world, when really its Existence itself that controls everthing by just simply being what it is. Through the inherent properties of Nature, all potentiality is actualized. That's what god is to me: Potentiality-Being-Actualized=Future-Present-Past

To me, its all so simple. All my spiritual beliefs are logically coherent and consistent. Some may say that my god doesn't qualify as god since it lacks a personality, but that doesn't bother me because I can utilize my spiritual beliefs in any way that I could with a personal god. There have been many panentheistic or natural gods since the beginning of language. Nirguna Brahman from Hinduism is one example. To be honest, if you can't develop aome spiritual beliefs that make sense to you and can benefit you with some peace of mind than you are either biased against anything that resembles religion or simply lack imagination. God is all around you and within you. We as humans are all similar pieces of the same puzzle.
 
the child didn't die in that story but your god doesn't give a shit about killing children.

Exodus 12:12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.


Hosea 13:16New International Version (NIV)

16 The people of Samaria must bear their guilt,
because they have rebelled against their God.
They will fall by the sword;
their little ones will be dashed to the ground,
their pregnant women ripped open.”[a]
1 Samuel 15:3New King James Version (NKJV)

3 Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”

Psalm 137:8-9New International Version (NIV)

8 Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is the one who repays you
according to what you have done to us.
9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.
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You are really great at ostentatious pandering. But, you avoided the question at hand(as usual). Its a simple yes or no question. If a voice in your head claiming to be god demands the killing of a child, would you obey? You can save all the apologetic nonsense, you have already impressed us with the regurgitation of everything you have been reading on the subject, I wanna know howYOU feel about the atrocious nature of your Bible god?
 
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turkalurk said:
the child didn't die in that story but your god doesn't give a shit about killing children.



You are really great at ostentatious pandering. But, you avoided the question at hand(as usual). Its a simple yes or no question. If a voice in your head claiming to be god demands the killing of a child, would you obey? You can save all the apologetic nonsense, you have already impressed us with the regurgitation of everything you have been reading on the subject, I wanna know howYOU feel about the atrocious nature of your Bible god?
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You are being quite offensive.
 
what are you offended by? A murderous god that demands the killing of infants offends me, too.
I appreciate your input, but I disagree. I am being just offensive enough. I did read through all that articulate dribble drabble looking for the answer to my question. Maybe I was offended that I wasted my time looking for a genuine response and found only more apologetics.
 
Nixiam said:
Dear me. I do believe that it is irrational to believe in a god when there is no evidence to support his existence. But I understand some people need spirituality, or at least want it. How do you believe in god? Religion has been the cause of far too many problems, has far too many imperfections and is unquestionably counter productive when taken seriously by anyone or any group of people. I cannot assert his existence or say he doesn't exist, simply because of his nature. How could I?

I want to believe there is a god. I want that comfort. But I am not willing to lie to myself, or rationalize imperfections or delude myself into thinking so. God is speculation, he has no effect. The people who speculate with words have some effect. The ones with bombs however...


The books were written for civilizations to take it seriously. They are radical. The Christians have mellowed out a bit, but only because the Catholic Church lost such a footing due to science.


If there is no evidence and a person can still hold the belief as high as truth, then it is either delusion, or an accident.
Quoting the bible doesn't prove god's existnce.
Vice versa with any other religion.


God has been killed by rationalism and science.
God is dead.
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wow dude, you are being quite offensive! Especially to those who have not read Nietzsche. you should use quotations so it doesn't seem like plagiarism.
 
First off, yes it was a reference to Nietsche. If that is somehow offensive, I apologize. The way you write gives off the idea that you want to offend someone. The second scentence in what you said previously in response to SKL offered that what he said was only to impress others, and had nothing to offer except a last pitch attempt to avoid a question. Or flamboyance.

There were better ways to go about saying something, or being more direct with more pleasnt expression of being dissatisfied with his response.

Even if I more or less agree with you.
 
So what is your point then? To shame me into expressing myself the way you think I ought to? I value being genuine above all else which is why said that I appreciate your input as you are just trying to express your perspective the same way I am trying to share mine. I was not trying to insult him, it was actually a compliment as its human nature to want to impress your peers. All good writers can come off pedantic at times. There is no shame in it, but if you never address the actually question in a genuine way, it lacks substance. There is no depth, just a shiny surface reflection.
 
Just trying to diffuse conflict where no conflict need lie. Just sounded like it had too much of an edge. Nobody needs to get offended or feel disgruntled in a debate of class.
 
says the guy telling him his god is dead and he is delusional. I said he was "good" at something. i said he was "articulate." Yet, I am the one being offensive? Its all a matter of perspective. To me, its not about how you word something, its about the message you are communicating.
 
So we've got one classy guy and one straightforward guy. This looks promising.
 
I think Turk can't help being angry. Default setting. :\
 
wrong again willow, if you could hear my tone it would probably sound much different in my head than it sounds in yours. I don't think anything anyone has ever said on this entire forum has ever bothered me enough to cause me feelings of anger. I like to bust balls but its all in good fun on my end.
 
-turkalurk

Nietsche said god is dead. I simply put out what I've gathered from modern thinkers, adopting it as my opinion. I can't call him delusional, but rather the degree of belief required seems like it has a call for delusional aspects, at least for myself. And from my "perspective", it looked as if you were only saying he was good or articulate at getting to anything but your question, and conciously asserting that decision. Aka, you typed like a dick. Or at least I thought so. And for the record, the message you make incorporate the words you use. I didn't say "Stop being offensive.". I said it seemed like you were being unnecessarily dickish. But if I am to say anything else, provide any other criticism this scuffle won't end.

p.s. Ninae
I'm 15, in other words I'm anything but emotional intelligence or class.
 
so now you are basically calling me a dick while pretending to take the high road like you didn't just intensify your insults. nice...
 
turkalurk said:
wrong again willow, if you could hear my tone it would probably sound much different in my head than it sounds in yours. I don't think anything anyone has ever said on this entire forum has ever bothered me enough to cause me feelings of anger. I like to bust balls but its all in good fun on my end.
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You really don't seem very calm. You seem angry. That's what I believe...
 
well, I wouldn't expect any different from you. You've been telling me what I mean but what I say from day one. But, your interpretation of my demeanor has more to do with you than it does me. If I could show you things from my eyes, you'd be suprised. I smoke way too much weed and wax to be angry.
 
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