McKenna was a self absorbed pseudoscientific loon who represented the worst of psychedelic culture. He encouraged millions to believe the dumbest garbage with absolutely no evidence or logic behind it. He's done a great deal of damage to the public perception of psychedelic drug users. He's like a hippie raver L. Ron Hubbard.
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"My technique is don’t believe anything. If you believe in something, you are automatically precluded from believing its opposite."
T. McKenna
He never stated any of his ideas to be the truth. He wasn't a scientific person, he was a storyteller, that was clear from the first moment I've heard him. I do enjoy his theories.
What kind of damage has he done?
T. McKenna
He never stated any of his ideas to be the truth. He wasn't a scientific person, he was a storyteller, that was clear from the first moment I've heard him. I do enjoy his theories.
What kind of damage has he done?
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That's just a shallow cop out. Of course he had beliefs, and he expressed them.
I feel like the damage pseudoscience does is pretty self evident. The public perception of psychedelic users as mentally damaged new age assholes has stunted the medical and cultural adoption of incredibly safe and useful chemicals. McKenna has helped to exacerbate that about as much as a single person can. We need more Shulgins, fewer McKennas.
I feel like the damage pseudoscience does is pretty self evident. The public perception of psychedelic users as mentally damaged new age assholes has stunted the medical and cultural adoption of incredibly safe and useful chemicals. McKenna has helped to exacerbate that about as much as a single person can. We need more Shulgins, fewer McKennas.
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I think the TM legacy has dumbed down the whole of "drug culture".
I think he should be ashamed of himself because his example has been followed by people who do not know better, and that is due to Terrence marketing himself so effectively.
He is the coca cola of drug gurus, and just as healthy for your mind as coca cola is for your body.
Now his wife is making a mess of the story of Salvia Divinorum.
mayan calendars and pyramid power provide firm footing to fuck all
I think he should be ashamed of himself because his example has been followed by people who do not know better, and that is due to Terrence marketing himself so effectively.
He is the coca cola of drug gurus, and just as healthy for your mind as coca cola is for your body.
Now his wife is making a mess of the story of Salvia Divinorum.
mayan calendars and pyramid power provide firm footing to fuck all
Pretty hard to dumb down drug culture. It's about as dumb as it gets already - mostly teenagers who read half a sentence on wiki and thing they've fathomed 2000 years of religious history. And why be so angry at him? He was writing opinions about psychedelics, that's all. You can take it or leave it, no need to take it personally.
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in other words we need more drugs, but less thinking (= typical drug-addict philosopy)
You don't think shulgin was a thinker? Thinking is important. Crackpot garbage isn't. Not sure where calling me a drug addict fits in, or where you're getting that from. Being safe with drugs comes from rational, scientific thinking. Not "taking heroic doses to speak with the Gaian overmind."
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equal thinking with evidence and not any smugness.
to keep our freedom (such as it is) we need to be sharp minded, not fuzzy dreamers backslapping each other for nonsense except during festival revelry when only the mad dance is important.
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equal thinking with evidence and not any smugness.
to keep our freedom (such as it is) we need to be sharp minded, not fuzzy dreamers backslapping each other for nonsense except during festival revelry when only the mad dance is important.
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yes
Well said.
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Shulgin's contribution to the world was lots and lots of new drugs, no ideas.
Mckenna otoh is best known for the various radical ideas he spoke about like sonted ape theory and 2012 etc.
All ideas aren't good. Good ideas are good. Lots of people have ideas, like Daryl Gates, or Nancy Reagan. I'm not sure why you value McKenna's ideas over theirs. As far as I can tell, they're about equivalent in legitimacy.
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ol, was he that influential back then?
I know he got me very interested in DMT which I can say that my experiences changed my life, plus I dont know, he was smart and wasnt scared to promote publically his ideas about politics and critic our society. wasnt all bad honestly.
I dont agree
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What point are you making?
What has freedom got to do with being sharp-minded? Every step towards greater freedom evolved from fuzzy dreamy nonsense like freeing slaves, educating the poor etc.
Those are all highly logical, intellectual pursuits...?
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I was answering what you said about Daryl Gates and Nancy Reagan compared with Terence Mckenna