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Harm Reduction ⫸Should I Try HEROIN?⫷

I feel like the dose would have to be so low that it would be pointless. I may try this in the coming years. In the name of science!
 
The first time you're on an opiate for a long time, its pretty much easier, especially if for medical reasons, I was still scripted CodeineContins 150mg every 12 hours and MS IR 15mg's/Statex 15mg's then sometimes Talwin, my now painfully retired jaw specialist surgeon believed in opiate rotation a lot. All the others than C-Contins were for breakthrough pain, I found Talwin to work the best when I still had the MS IR 15's (which I didn't slam), mixing those with the constant codeine i was on made me really fuckin high.

When I was brutally cut short of my scripts ( I didn't help myself much either, the government often doesn't tell you about solutions for seeing a doctor who knows your problem in advance for example...I was too much in pain and furious at the system). I was only addicted mentally. I would seek out opiates whenever I met new friends or met dealers etc.
 
red22 said:
Oh, that's cool, but what I actually had in mind was daily use and not going into withdrawal territory. I'm sure it's perfectly doable, I mean, what's the typical lowest dose of someone who's physically addicted to oxycodone? A hundred milligrams a day? There's obviously plenty of room for "free" use.
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After a taking opioids daily for a certain amount of time there is no such thing as "free use". The first time I experienced withdrawals was from taking 20mgs of oxycodone a day for several months. It doesn't matter if you're taking 10mgs or 100mgs, if you use opioids for an extended amount of time you are going experience downregulation of your opioid receptors resulting in a certain degree of withdrawal
 
20 mg a day for several months and you experienced withdrawal, huh? Damn... Can you go into detail about the severity of withdrawal?
 
Lol at free use this kid will e back posting in a couple months about how bad his withdrawl and how he should have listened blah blah with opiates you never catch on until it's too late ...
 
Yeah we all started as opiate naive people ! free use ha that's funny, and i wish it were true. i like that fact that red22 thinks " but what I actually had in mind was daily use and not going into withdrawal territory". I don't care how much you have or how good you are at keeping it steady eventually you will have WD ! I like to think of opiate use like a credit card it's great when your buying, but eventually that CC bill will come a knockin. But maybe red22 is somehow not like everyone else and when he throws a ball in the air it never comes down. good luck with that. I remember when i first started to play in the opiate fields some old timer said be careful man that shit will take hold and will not let go, me being the smart ass that i am thought the same way red22 is talking about. Man if i only just listened I would probably still have my condo In south Florida, and would have made better decisions in the last 10 years.
 
I think red might be kind of right. Like if someone did 5 mg of oxy a day would they feel withdrawl? Probably but it might be so small that it wouldnt faze you. Or what if you only did like 2 mg a day. Like such an insignificant amount it wont get you high but you might feel some slight positive effects.
 
imbatman said:
I think red might be kind of right. Like if someone did 5 mg of oxy a day would they feel withdrawl? Probably but it might be so small that it wouldnt faze you. Or what if you only did like 2 mg a day. Like such an insignificant amount it wont get you high but you might feel some slight positive effects.
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if you did 1 mg a day for more then a week or two you will feel WD ! some people say they don't get WD bad but non the less you will have a biochemical reaction ! you do not get to feel slight positive effects without the other end of the spectrum ! it go's up and it go's down ! don't fool yourself there is no FREE zone in opiate use !!!
 
I'm still not convinced. But I am open to it -- the idea that it's like a credit card debt and that it's there no matter what, no matter how low the balance is. But so far we only have one report of someone using low doses on a consistent basis: Oh ROXIanne!'s post on the previous page. 20mg a day for several months, and he/she incurred withdrawal. Is anybody else aware of someone taking a similar dose for an extended period of time?
 
red22 said:
I'm still not convinced. But I am open to it -- the idea that it's like a credit card debt and that it's there no matter what, no matter how low the balance is. But so far we only have one report of someone using low doses on a consistent basis: Oh ROXIanne!'s post on the previous page. 20mg a day for several months, and he/she incurred withdrawal. Is anybody else aware of someone taking a similar dose for an extended period of time?
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Well red22 i am not sure how to make it anymore clear to you! there a millions of people that take 20 mg ! usually as 5/325 4x a day ! and when they taper off they all have WD. It sounds like you want to test how far down the opiate rabbit hole you can go! Good luck and let me know how that works out for you. If someone else can chime in here and maybe explain it in a way red22 will understand that would be great. However im pretty sure you understand and just want to test it out, Be careful and be safe :(
 
...no, i just want to see more examples of people incurring withdrawal from that dose range. Oh! ROXIanne didn't even respond to my question: how bad was the withdrawal?
 
^It was unpleasant to say the least. Consisted mostly of depression, RLS, insomnia, and slight aches and pains. The insomnia and depression are the worst for me and are responsble for keeping me trapped in this cycle.

I would have responded sooner but I try to steer clear of Other Drugs these days
 
red22 said:
...no, i just want to see more examples of people incurring withdrawal from that dose range. Oh! ROXIanne didn't even respond to my question: how bad was the withdrawal?
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IDK you can try PM her ! but the withdrawals from a low dose oxy or any opiate in my opinion differ from person to person, we all have a unique biochemistry and react differently to opiate WD! one person may have full blown WD from taking just 1-5 mg oxycodone for at least 3 consecutive days and another might just have WD that are hardly notifiable! But if my CNS physiology serves me correctly there are the physical and the emotional symptoms of WD The key areas of the brain and brain stem which narcotics typically suppress become hyperactive (running at a level above normal) when the inhibitory action of the opioids is suddenly reduced or withdrawn. If you have been there you know this can be brutal;additionally every time someone go's through this WD process it tends to get progressively worse! With the exception of diarrhea, functional changes in certain areas of the sympathetic brain can account for nearly all of the physical symptoms attributed to opioid withdrawal.

Dysregulation of the hypothalamus leads to an excess of many bodily functions normally inhibited by narcotics. Pinpoint pupils (miosis) become abnormally large (mydriasis), the dry mouth begins overproducing saliva, dry skin begins to perspire, the dry nose begins to run, while the insensitivity to temperature gives way to hot/cold flashes and chills.
Dysregulation of the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis contributes to an excess of hormone release, a state of stress, emotional vulnerability, and an inability to fall asleep.
Dysregulation of the locus coeruleus leads to an excess of noradrenergic tone; this manifests as anxiety, agitation, panic attacks, increased heart rate and blood pressure, muscle tension, tremors, restlessness or akathisia, involuntary movements of the limbs, nausea, vomiting, and stomach discomfort. All of the negative side effects of WD is unique to the individual biochemistry regardless of low dose opiate intake! After stabilization from the acute withdrawal. many people then suffer from post acute withdrawal syndrome ! It is truly amazing the allopathic western world allows opiate medications to be prescribed for long term therapy! I personally was taking 30mg ir 8x a day and 15mg ir 4x a day for breakthrough pain! and for me at that point it really did not help the pain after 6 months of continuing large amounts of IR oxy! No matter how much oxy i take eventually i would need more to get any pain management ! when you take into account what all the narcotics were doing to my adrenals and CNS central nervous system it really is not advised !!!oxycodone dependency is no walk in the park !
 
Anyone else noticed that the rush of shooting is not worth it? Smoking hits nearly as fast. If you think of preparation, with smoking you're high, while you would search for a vein, when injecting, It's easier to dose and tastes yummy. And due to tolerance building I think you don't need more (that may be proven wrong for long term users, not so for short time binges up to a month).
 
I've never done heroin, never been interested. I don't know why but heroin seems to be in another league altogether, it's almost like asking for trouble. If you want my advice, don't go down that road. Needles are also gross!
 
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