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Is it possible to infuse 25i , 2cb into herb and smoke it ?

Most NBOMes are sold as the hydrochloride salt anyway. Nobody really sells the freebase that I know of so you won't need vinegar or other type of acid. I can just imagine you putting some liquid containing vinegar up your nose. I'm sure that wouldn't sting or anything. Even alcohol up the nose ain't gonna be enjoyable. That's another reason I recommend the dry powder method. It won't clump together if you heat the bowl up enough to dry it out well. But if you want to put some alcohol up your nose then by all means go to it. It'll probably run down your throat from your sinus and cause you to gag but aside from that and the burning I'm sure it will be fun.
 
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I don't think trying to smoke / vape the salts would be the main problem since apparently it can be done with some other phens as well... but it is just too inaccurate to really do this safely, because most people can't really do it the right way since they don't have the right equipment or genius methods to make it super homogenous. With cannabinoids there is less of a potentially lethal narrow safety margin. People do freak out on noids due to OD, on NBOMe type drugs that could kill you.
I've personally infused herbs with noids but would never do it with NBX type psychs.

DON'T
 
Hey Jason7
I reckon I will give your idea of mixing 25i into another powder and snorting it in lines a try . Sounds like the easiest most convenient method I've found so far . Thanks man :)
 
Letyoursoulfly said:
Hey Jason7
I reckon I will give your idea of mixing 25i into another powder and snorting it in lines a try . Sounds like the easiest most convenient method I've found so far . Thanks man :)
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Yeah sure, but listen up. This is the most important thing. If you're gonna do 25i keep it on the low end of the dosage spectrum. I mean don't go above 500 mcg. This is nothing to play around with or take lightly. I should just tell you flat out right now that you're better off not even trying NBOMes because they are pretty unpredictable and effect different people differently, but if you already bought it and you're set on it then I hope my method of preparing it will keep you as safe as possible.
 
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Actually, you know what? Don't even snort it. If you're gonna take it then just put it under your tongue. Believe me, you don't need anything stronger than that. Snorting that shit straight into your brain is completely imprudent. I've done it myself but for safety you should probably just stick with sublingual, at least until you have some experience with it.

Something else I should mention is that 25i takes quite a while to come on, like an hour or so, even snorted. You may be tempted to take some more because you're not feeling anything for quite a while but don't do it because later both doses will hit you. That actually happened to me so I know.
 
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toooooo... true sublingual all the way to help you gage it. I think liquid is better then powder into more volumous powder but that is just me. Sublingual rules are pretty simple.

Under the tongue then don't spit or swallow for 20 mintues. Taste will be quite terrible, but it only lingers about 10 to 20 minutes after you spit out a mouth of saliva. SOme people swallow it but I found the idea of it rather nauseating..

If your powder is in HCL then mixing it with Ethonol is gonna be a cake walk.

1mg scale is a bit dicey though IMHO. Depending on how much powder you are working with.


Once you have a good idea what you are dealing with ...... say 2 to 3 trips well spaced out ...... 2 weeks to a month inbetween, then you can start to play with other ROA's
 
Wow . Thanks for all the advice :)
I feel a lot better about using this chemical and think I know exactly how to use it now :)
I will be sure to let you all know how I went with it.
Cheers
 
Please! If you cut ultra-potent compounds like these ones whether for snort or subl,

- never make a large batch, always do something in the order of say 10-20 doses
- dissolve - preferably in something like an alcohol or acetone - mix and let evaporate again (this on its own is absolutely not sufficient or foolproof)
- really mix around the cut powders a lot at all stages, really mix the shit out of it.

these factors together may lay down somewhat decent margins, but it is a sin to only do this partially or half arsed cause it can come around and bite you in the balls like a copperhead.
 
Ha Jason I did the same thing.... Except I probably eyeballed a good few milligrams... Not one of the smartest things I ever done. Most powerful experience ever, but not in the best way... Honestly didn't even trip that hard as well. The texture in my wall was unfolding beautifully into mosaic patterns but besides that it was all physical mental. Honestly could've ended up in the ER although after calling for help checking vitals and whatnot I was able to relax and just wait it off at home.

Don't eyeball this stuff and I highly recommend avoiding it all together. 2cb is hundreds times better and 2ci is a good mid point.
 
tacodude said:
Ha Jason I did the same thing.... Except I probably eyeballed a good few milligrams... Not one of the smartest things I ever done. Most powerful experience ever, but not in the best way... Honestly didn't even trip that hard as well. The texture in my wall was unfolding beautifully into mosaic patterns but besides that it was all physical mental. Honestly could've ended up in the ER although after calling for help checking vitals and whatnot I was able to relax and just wait it off at home.

Don't eyeball this stuff and I highly recommend avoiding it all together. 2cb is hundreds times better and 2ci is a good mid point.
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What same thing? Taking one dose and then not feeling anything after half an hour and then taking a second dose? I was used to 25c hitting me in about 20 minutes so when I did 500 mics of 25i and didn't feel anything after maybe 45 minutes I took another 500. Then when it all hit I felt like I was going to have a seizure or something. It was kind of a needing to sneeze feeling but you don't really need to sneeze. It's more like you need to take a seizure. This was with the carrier powder method I described and the carrier was MSM, which is much like DMSO in that it carries things throughout your body. Probably wouldn't be near as bad with pure NBOMe but with the carrier powder it's pretty much completely absorbable. I also felt quite sick, though I didn't need to throw up. Just felt like I had a bad case of the flu but without actually throwing up. My whole body was feeling really icky. Never took 25i again after that. I took 25c a few times but never really liked it. It made me very agitated more than anything else. It was somewhat acid-like though, but I just didn't like it as much. It didn't really have any pleasurable aspect to it.

I also don't get as much pleasurable feelings from the blotter acid I bought recently. In the old days I used to use a lot of tablet type acid and it would give me nice brain tingles and pleasant all over body sensations. I now suspect that those tablets also had methamphetamine in them. They were big enough that they could hold probably 10-20 mg of meth along with the acid. This acid was always supplied by biker gangs, who had plenty of meth in those days, so I'm pretty sure those tablets had meth in them. Why else even make tablets instead of blotter, right? I don't get the brain tingles at all from the pure blotter acid that's available now. The tingles and body pleasure were actually what made me want to keep taking it. Without those, it isn't really that enjoyable anymore. I guess that's why they added the meth, to make it addictive.
 
tacodude said:
Ha Jason I did the same thing.... Except I probably eyeballed a good few milligrams... Not one of the smartest things I ever done. Most powerful experience ever, but not in the best way... Honestly didn't even trip that hard as well. The texture in my wall was unfolding beautifully into mosaic patterns but besides that it was all physical mental. Honestly could've ended up in the ER although after calling for help checking vitals and whatnot I was able to relax and just wait it off at home.

Don't eyeball this stuff and I highly recommend avoiding it all together. 2cb is hundreds times better and 2ci is a good mid point.
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This is why you ALWAYS employ harm reduction practices.
NEVER eyeball such potent chemicals, especially those with such a terrible track record.
Volumetric dosing or using a reliable and sufficiently accurate scale is best.
 
yeah once I 'solved' the question of weight then re-solved it with some Good strong Vodka I never ran into any issues with 25I. The only things that alter things are set setting and mood. The only oddball thing that ever happened to me was I took a half a dose (for me sublingual 500 micrograms) and one time it seemed to be quite a bit stronger. nothing out of the ordinary - just expected a mild experience and got something a bit more potent ..... closer to 800. Didn't last as long as a full 1 mg experience (generally almost exactly 8 hours). Now it could have been me...... mentally expecting little and getting more out of the experience.

But Holy Toast is right, the opening poster obviously did the right thing in finding the big Blue. Now it is up to him / her to read read read read read....... there are volumes here to help, Wikipedia has info on 25I as does Errowid.
 
I'll never understand why people work with these chemicals. There's no safe way to deal with them.
 
Doldrugs said:
I'll never understand why people work with these chemicals. There's no safe way to deal with them.
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I’ve used NBOMe series many times, alone or in combination with other psychedelics and I’ve never had any problems with them. I don’t see why people want to make a monster out of something and scare others. NBOMe series are very potent and have their own mechanism of action in brain, but I think there are so many safe ways. We just have to learn how to use them in a good way. I think psychedelics, as Shulgin said, are very powerful tools for exploring human mind, not for having a crazy Saturday night. If you don’t know them, don’t use them. Simple and easy. :)
 
Hessam said:
I’ve used NBOMe series many times, alone or in combination with other psychedelics and I’ve never had any problems with them. I don’t see why people want to make a monster out of something and scare others. NBOMe series are very potent and have their own mechanism of action in brain, but I think there are so many safe ways. We just have to learn how to use them in a good way. I think psychedelics, as Shulgin said, are very powerful tools for exploring human mind, not for having a crazy Saturday night. If you don’t know them, don’t use them. Simple and easy. :)
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Because they're full agonists. That's not a good thing. LSD is only about 25% as strong an agonist as natural serotonin. That's why it's so safe. It's similar to the full agonist synthetic cannabinoids being a lot more dangerous than THC. Nobody knows what the long term effects of such strong agonists, such as NBOMes and UR-144 for instance, are. We know that they have high acute toxicity and can kill people, so there's a pretty good chance that long term chronic use of lower doses will also have negative effects. Maybe not, but maybe so. Do you want to be the guinea pig to find out? For all anyone knows, it could take years for the negative effects to manifest but then it would already be too late. Maybe it will burn out your receptors or something. It just makes sense not to use full agonists when partial ones are available which give comparable effects. The only advantage is that the NBOMes are cheap. But is it really worth the risk just to save some money?
 
People die from "safe" doses of nbomes. There is no safe way to use them. It doesn't matter how educated you think you are about them, if you're still using them you're not educated enough.
 
Hessam said:
Can you tell me how?
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Well if you are not to bright and inhale a puff of Nbome powder it could be bad. The sad fact is it is very potent, but also very cheep, and all of a sudden people with money are all like

shit..... give me a gram if it's that cheep and that potent.


THen if you are a real idiot and there are some out there they go and dump the baggy out and get a little to close to the mess. The powder I had always seemed kinda sticky, and heavy .... not that likely to become an air born threat. But I was working with a 10 mg sample, and then a 30 mg purchase back when it was still 'legal'. Now that it is a potential black market lab product I have no idea what it may be like.


If I was a dope and opened up the bag, poured the contents into my glass jar and then for giggles said,..... gee I wonder what the residue in the baggy smells like, It may have been very bad.

There are plenty of reports with people eyeballing a dose..... tiny lil bit they said..... just the tip of a spoon they said.... just a trip to the hospital is what they wind up with. So yeah, with it being that powerful a substance, it is not a great idea to play around with it, treat like oh say cocaine..... and you will be in serious trouble.
 
jason7 said:
Because they're full agonists. That's not a good thing. LSD is only about 25% as strong an agonist as natural serotonin. That's why it's so safe. It's similar to the full agonist synthetic cannabinoids being a lot more dangerous than THC. Nobody knows what the long term effects of such strong agonists, such as NBOMes and UR-144 for instance, are.
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First of all, only 25I-NBOMe and 25I-NBOH are known to act as full agonists to serotonin receptors and all other NBOMe and NBOH psychedelics are partial agonists. Second, I don’t understand how you simply compare serotonin receptors with cannabinoid receptors and their ligands! These two families have very different physiological and psychological effects and binding to these receptors with different efficacies, produces different results.


jason7 said:
We know that they have high acute toxicity and can kill people
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People should learn to not put their own fault on drugs! Fatalities are the direct result of reckless and irresponsible use.


jason7 said:
Do you want to be the guinea pig to find out?
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All people are some guinea pigs in the hands of governments. They put all kinds of toxins in your food, your water, your medicines and even your breathing air. It’s funny how happy you are for not using NBOMe! Plus, remember that maybe if there were no guinea pigs like Albert Hofmann, there would be no LSD! ;)
 
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