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The Big & Dandy AL-LAD Thread - Part 2

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HighonLife! Awesome point! I cant believe Ive never noticed this! This is probably exactly whats going on....although the change from being "twisted off your tits"(<----Im trying the british slang thing here) to feeling a bit more sober FEELS like a steeper decline /incline effect than what the graph displays ...I notice this being even more common with psilocybin! I feel like AL-LAD has this potential too...there were definite times where I "felt fine"......and then I would think to myself "oh god no, Im trippin GOOOOOD"

EDIT- I just looked at the psilocybin graph and it doesn't seem to show the wave effect....very interesting because I find it far more pronounced with mushrooms

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_effects.shtml
 
Moclobemide and al-lad is a waste of time. Minor alterations in perception but a heavier bodyload.
 
YOu mean the ^^^ combo is a waste right ismene? I mean Im pretty sure you said you enjoy AL-lad by itself right?
 
im super glad this gem is back in full force.

i found this claim of 2mg experience interesting.
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=102145
seems like Lysergamides are really easy to loose your mind on,
but even at large doses are safe on the body other than maybe overheating a little.

Thanks for that link. Near the beginning he refers to a 50mg pure powder form as a "small sample"... 8o
 
Combined 300ug AL-LAD with 10mg 4-HO-MET to absolutely fantastic results the other day :)

Wonderfully synergistic combo. Very creative and insightful trip, with lots of euphoria and visuals to match.
 
had a recent experience on this chemical... and would like to WARN people that the blotters might not be as evenly laid as most people think. its probably not that common, and im not pointing fingers BUT people should be aware that even one blotter might provide a full on breakthrough experience.

i had dosed blotters from the same sheet before, twice, with consistent results the first times, as in each time, one was consumed and had an effect as wanted (if we are to believe, at 150 ug) more or less similar to ~120 LSD, perhaps a bit more visual but less deep.
recently i have doses ONE blotter, from the same sheet, kept in the same zip lock baggy, in a dry, dark place, at room temperature, for over half a year, and it provided the most powerful visual and immersing trip of my life. I have not taken any additional medicine, am not on any medication, my psychedelics tolerance is low, with nothing of the sort consumed for at least a month prior.

still, that one blotter provided this most powerful of trips. the timeline was consistent with a high dose of allad, in that i was down after about 6 hours, and some residual stimulation and visual artifacts for another 4 hours...
the chemical is very powerful and i have no idea how much was on that blotter, but suffice to say that it may have been maybe 5? 10 times what i feel one blotter had held before. the overall trip felt overpowering and there were moments where i was thinking i might lose the plot entirely, including moments of complete fear that i had somehow screamed and made a fool of myself, or might hurt myself (though i did not in any way do any such things). felt very little in control, could see nothing but hallucinations for a good 3 hours. eminently visual, this chemical changed perception in relation to the overall feel i had for the trip - the moment i felt it turn bad, so did the visuals turn hellish and spiraled out of control; regaining some faculties felt very good. emotionally it was not as involving as other trips i have had. for instance, mushrooms feel much more spiritual and emotional even at lower doses.
the big revelation of the trip was i felt relieved of all fear, of life or death, and felt everything as one, neverending, but sadly without much in the way of purpose. except that of being. kind of like and extinction of all want, a perspective of oneness.

just a reminder that blotters are not equal and especially beginners should start LOW, with perhaps as little as a quarter blotter int he beginning.
 
Thank you for this info, king me! This is very viable and may explain a lot of the variable experience reports we are receiving. Do you think averegae street LSD is layed evenly? Considering its "family" acid, which I presume is the most "professional" stuff you can find.

Kingme, at this dose how would you compare / contrast it to a high dose of LSD. I find that higher doses is where you can really notice its uniqueness in comparison to Lucy.
 
Im not that experienced with acid to say its all evenly laid. However, it was never this uneven, in that its usually less than what is expected...

Cant really compare it to anything sincd it was the most visual and hard trip ive had. For comparison, i could handle 300ug lsd easier... Though to be honest the problem was not that the chem is intense but that it was just so unexpectedly high dosed. I imagine some hardheads trip like this more often. I also imagine a beginner freaking out in my place...
Not even sure if benzos might have helped...

I dont really believe things as 'family acid' though... Sound like nice hippy dealer talk
 
It was a real thing at least back in the day... my old neighbor was part of one of them and talked about it wistfully all the time, so many great stories. I miss that guy. Each family made their own "brand" of acid. As far as today, who knows? I don't. However I'm willing to bet that most any time the phrase it used, it's bullshit to try to sell acid.
 
had a recent experience on this chemical... and would like to WARN people that the blotters might not be as evenly laid as most people think. its probably not that common, and im not pointing fingers BUT people should be aware that even one blotter might provide a full on breakthrough experience.

i had dosed blotters from the same sheet before, twice, with consistent results the first times, as in each time, one was consumed and had an effect as wanted (if we are to believe, at 150 ug) more or less similar to ~120 LSD, perhaps a bit more visual but less deep.
recently i have doses ONE blotter, from the same sheet, kept in the same zip lock baggy, in a dry, dark place, at room temperature, for over half a year, and it provided the most powerful visual and immersing trip of my life. I have not taken any additional medicine, am not on any medication, my psychedelics tolerance is low, with nothing of the sort consumed for at least a month prior.

still, that one blotter provided this most powerful of trips. the timeline was consistent with a high dose of allad, in that i was down after about 6 hours, and some residual stimulation and visual artifacts for another 4 hours...
the chemical is very powerful and i have no idea how much was on that blotter, but suffice to say that it may have been maybe 5? 10 times what i feel one blotter had held before. the overall trip felt overpowering and there were moments where i was thinking i might lose the plot entirely, including moments of complete fear that i had somehow screamed and made a fool of myself, or might hurt myself (though i did not in any way do any such things). felt very little in control, could see nothing but hallucinations for a good 3 hours. eminently visual, this chemical changed perception in relation to the overall feel i had for the trip - the moment i felt it turn bad, so did the visuals turn hellish and spiraled out of control; regaining some faculties felt very good. emotionally it was not as involving as other trips i have had. for instance, mushrooms feel much more spiritual and emotional even at lower doses.
the big revelation of the trip was i felt relieved of all fear, of life or death, and felt everything as one, neverending, but sadly without much in the way of purpose. except that of being. kind of like and extinction of all want, a perspective of oneness.

just a reminder that blotters are not equal and especially beginners should start LOW, with perhaps as little as a quarter blotter int he beginning.

Your experience reminds me of the mind-shattering experience of a friend I sitted last summer (post can be found on the first pages of the first AL-LAD Thread).
As we were quite astonished about the intensity of the experience which couldn't be compared to the other people tripping on the same batch that day. She even forgot that she actually took a trip.. probably one of the most insightful experiences for her, but quite traumatising. I also considered that the dose of her blotter was unexpectedly high but it could aswell be attributed to what Shulgin called a +4 experience. Leary also stated that the intensity of a psychedelic experience doesn't entirely depend on dosage and I can confirm that. 150microgram are sufficient to induce a +4 experience, depending on set and setting.
 
Very true, my first trip was on 1.75 grams of mushrooms and was utterly life-changing. I also had an 18mg 2C-E experience that was a +4, the most brutally intense serotonergic psychedelic experience I have ever had, but incredibly insightful. I have also taken both of those substances much higher without even remotely comparable effects, and I had taken 2C-E at 18mg the week before my +4 with it, with an experience very much unlike my +4 and many, many times weaker. Same batch.
 
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I'd imagine if you've got the expertise to make al-lad it's not beyond you to lay it on blotter evenly.

at this dose how would you compare / contrast it to a high dose of LSD. I find that higher doses is where you can really notice its uniqueness in comparison to Lucy.

I don't find high doses too much fun - I think al-lad creates a very confused state of mind whereas with acid you are able to contemplate and think straight. I'm thinking of sticking to one blotter in future.
 
I concur with the above post - high dose AL-LAD is, more than anything else, confusing. I have experienced a state on 600ug when I plainly forgot who I was for a period of time. I am not talking ego death here - the ego was still very much intact. But I could not for the life of me recall what my job was, or even my line of work - this sort of thing.

It was pretty unsettling, at the time, because I did not feel so out of it, emotionally and cognitively, to warrant this kind of memory malfunction. Long-term memory, short-term memory - all gone. It felt as if a neural pathway that connected my consciousness with my "memory banks" was deactivated, temporarily. Except this phenomenon was unidirectional and applied only to "read operations" - I still remember the event and the sensation vividly, so, clearly, storing new memories worked just fine. Very intriguing, from a pharmacological POV, especially considering that it seems to be reproducible on high doses. Would love to know the background behind it, but don't care very much for the sensation itself, I'm afraid.

A little note of caution - this would have also gotten me in trouble had I not had a sitter with me. During my last 600ug trip, I was completely unable to find my way home during the peak. Once I got there, by faithfully following the sitter, she left me by myself for a couple of minutes (to use the washroom, as it later transpired). While she was gone, I not only forgot how I got there, I forgot that she was ever there with me. While I spent what seemed like hours focusing all my faculties on the pressing task of trying to figure out whether I was already in the safety of my home (for some reason, I felt very exposed, and I took this to mean that I still had to do something to get to safety. Also, I had just moved in, so the apartment didn't feel very familiar...), she returned. Oh, the relief I felt, when she reassured me as to my current whereabouts...

I don't even want to ponder what could happen had I taken this dose by myself, out in public, gotten into some difficulty while, say, opening a door or attempting a similar trying task and been subsequently approached by a drug-naive member of the Public. A call to authorities, a ride to the loony bin and an unwelcome first experience with antipsychotics would probably ensue. Talk about psychedelics being harmless... /s

To the immense credit of the drug, I find that it's possible to power through these states of major confusion without too much anxiety. I know for a fact that experiencing this sort of thing on LSD would have me reaching for a strong tranquilizer immediately, because I would not be able to cope with the feeling while in the vulnerable LSD state. AL-LAD makes it very easy to dispense with any concerns by reminding yourself of the chemically-induced origin of any momentary troubles that might arise - in this respect, it really shines over the much more mischievous LSD, which is only too happy to push you over the edge, in my experience.
 
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If i was to take these abroad in the eu, where wud be the most subtle best place to store these, i know this is probably borderline wrong question to ask but im going into a festival aswell in europe so sort of thinking i should forget it. i will be able to get mdma there im sure but wanted to tske something incase, i guess i cud plugg some skins of low dose amt in a jonny? or is that risky? i have taken legal stuff through before in the most incospicious of places but any ideas welcome :) , maybe jus go enjoy the music and graphics as its close to natural psychedila, but i hate ethanol n am on valium at the moment which i have taken my letter off my psychologist with me as back up but not a medical certificate, i do have an autism card which may help me somewhat in this case, as im a vunerable adult
 
any ideas about storing this long-term? now that it is available again, I'd like to stock up on some, but since I don't take psychedelics at the moment (and probably won't until at least next year), it has to stay good for quite some time...

airtight container with dessicant packs in the freezer should be alright? :)
 
Im not that experienced with acid to say its all evenly laid. However, it was never this uneven, in that its usually less than what is expected...

Cant really compare it to anything sincd it was the most visual and hard trip ive had. For comparison, i could handle 300ug lsd easier... Though to be honest the problem was not that the chem is intense but that it was just so unexpectedly high dosed. I imagine some hardheads trip like this more often. I also imagine a beginner freaking out in my place...
Not even sure if benzos might have helped...

I dont really believe things as 'family acid' though... Sound like nice hippy dealer talk

Ohhhh yes there is Kingme, Ive met them. They are nothing supernatural..they aren't ghosts I don't see any reason to not believe that there are people manufacturing very high quality LSD ....its really not anything profound...and Ive eaten family acid severeal times...its almost always white on white fluff crystal.
 
I'd imagine if you've got the expertise to make al-lad it's not beyond you to lay it on blotter evenly.
I'm quite suspicious about all this. For me, one "150mcg" tab acted as an appetite suppressant for about 6 hours and then had a nice little anti depressant effect for about a week afterward.

With due respect to everyone in this thread, is it possible there's some exaggeration going on in the excitement of a new LSD analogue? It's possible I've become a hard head in my old age, of course. :p

If i was to take these abroad in the eu, where wud be the most subtle best place to store these, i know this is probably borderline wrong question to ask but im going into a festival aswell in europe so sort of thinking i should forget it. i will be able to get mdma there im sure but wanted to tske something incase, i guess i cud plugg some skins of low dose amt in a jonny? or is that risky? i have taken legal stuff through before in the most incospicious of places but any ideas welcome :) , maybe jus go enjoy the music and graphics as its close to natural psychedila, but i hate ethanol n am on valium at the moment which i have taken my letter off my psychologist with me as back up but not a medical certificate, i do have an autism card which may help me somewhat in this case, as im a vunerable adult
Just put em in your shoe, dude.
 
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