Dissociatives The Big & Dandy Amanita Mushrooms Thread

[PsycheMan]

Thank you so much, everyone who commented.
I will the method of drying in oven at 200~ then making it into a powder, then putting it in a thermos with simmering water and then using a coffee strain(the white paper), drain the liquid and separate it the mushrooms and then consume. Thanks again all of these post help contribute!

Edit: Just drank with a little bit of honey... It tasted remarkably delicious! It tasted similar to a chicken broth or drink left after a good bowl of ramen!

 

[Spacemonkey5000]

I had a life changing experience on a few grams of these mushrooms combined with pharmahuasca!

Now im looking for more information on how these can be used for healing and personal growth.

 

[f33lg00d]

These are a great benzo and alcohol alternative for me, can't beleive more people aren't into em. I don't go for trips on them just low dose fun times usually combined with other drugs.

EDIT: Does amanitas have any other actions other than GABA agonism?

 

[samm2]

This does seem like a "winter-type" entheogen, good for cold, wintery nights (like Siberian weather)....the Koryaks of Siberia used the mushroom to endure their grim environment(cold and bleak) and when pissing it was said the reindeer sought out to eat the "yellow snow" .....
The red and white outfit of santa claus is said to come from the colors of amanitas(red and white) along with santa having flushed facial features (effects of amanita cause flushing), stuff to think about...

post #236 says it best

And now 2 years later I think I need to take my own advise, it's been a BRUTAL winter here in the US midwest...it's March now and temperatures are still only in the single digits with highs later this week to be only in the 20's...I really need some fly agaric tea!

 

[psood0nym]

Limpet Chicken never posted his low dose muscaria/phenibut report ... has anybody combined muscaria with that or baclophen? I'm interested in seeing if anything interesting happens with different proportions of GABAA and GABAb agonism.

 

[swilow]

I wonder if anyone has ever experienced addiction and specifically gaba-ergic withdrawal syndrome from amanitas....Certainly a physiological possibility.

 

[psood0nym]

I wonder if anyone has ever experienced addiction and specifically gaba-ergic withdrawal syndrome from amanitas....Certainly a physiological possibility.

It's an interesting question how such withdrawals might manifest compared to other gabanergics. Muscimol binds to the same receptor area as GABA itself on GABAA, rather than "less direct" regulatory sites like benzos and barbituates, which could make a difference.

I used phenibut last night, so I skipped it today during my amanita muscaria experience (8g dried, reaching a ++), but I did try it with GHB (in the form of 1,4 BDO). GHB is both a GABAb and GHB receptor agonist, so it's not the greatest for properly modulating the proportion of GABAA and b activity, but I can say there was synergy. I can't really say much about how good it felt or didn't though because I ended up having to make dinner during the most intense part of it. In terms of linear subjective intensity, the 2.5mL of 1,4 BDO I took felt at least 40 percent stronger than is typical of that dose. The speed and intensity of the onset made me worry about becoming nauseated on top of the demands of my culinary duties, so for about half an hour the high was "neutral" at best, then I rapidly came down.

Yesterday I made muscaria "tea" out of 8g and barely got past threshold effects (simmered crushed flesh for 40 minutes), so I don't recommend that option if you're concerned about potency, though I was surprised to find I sort of liked the taste (esp. compared to eating dried). This batch is quite a bit less potent than the ones I had as a teenager. At one point during that 10g experience I got up off the couch, put a video in, sat down, then proceeded to walk back and forth five times, each time needing to ask my friend if I had put the video in yet. Nevertheless, even at the ++ I reached today I was highly forgetful, comparable to smoking cannabis when you're already out it. It was a mildly pleasant little buzz -- a very open and relaxed state. I don't think I'd add more than 3g to it chasing something properly euphoric, though, since I imagine the amnestic effects would quickly mount to diminishing returns. I think a moderate dose of a GABAb agonist or a light dose of a dissociative would be better for that while maintaining the spirit of the amanita experience.

 

[Toz]

I have been thinking of trying this for quite some time, however I have been very addicted to GABAergics (benzos) for years but have stayed completely clean for over a year from them. Could ingesting this run a chance of triggering withdrawal? I know just taking a single dose of benzo would probably net me a few months of withdrawal again at this point...

Does this pose a risk?

 

[psood0nym]

I have been thinking of trying this for quite some time, however I have been very addicted to GABAergics (benzos) for years but have stayed completely clean for over a year from them. Could ingesting this run a chance of triggering withdrawal? I know just taking a single dose of benzo would probably net me a few months of withdrawal again at this point...

Does this pose a risk?

The gabanergic action of muscimol and the benzodiazapines isn't the same, but there is substantial overlap. Muscimol binds to exactly the same area as GABA and "impersonates" it, as well as to GABA-rho, whereas benzodiazapines attach to subunits of the GABAA receptor and increase the rate at which the GABA neurotransmitter already in the area binds and and ultimately slows the cell's firing rate (so you might expect a potentiation of muscimol's benzo-like effects if you took benzos with muscaria). From Wiki:

GABAA receptors that are made up of different combinations of subunit subtypes have different properties, different distributions in the brain and different activities relative to pharmacological and clinical effects.[129] Benzodiazepines bind at the interface of the α and γ subunits on the GABAA receptor.

Because it binds to the same site as GABA itself, muscimol's inhibitory action in the brain is significantly broader than benzodiazapines, which also means a different "holistic" response, and that could mean chronic use might set things up for withdrawal in a substantially different way different than the benzos.

A unified model hypothesis [of benzo withdrawal] involves a combination of internalization of the [GABAA] receptor, followed by preferential degradation of certain receptor sub-units, which provides the nuclear activation for changes in receptor gene transcription.

Regarding the relevance of GABA-rho:

Following stimulation by GABA, the chloride current produced by GABAA-ρ [that symbol is "rho"] receptors is slow to initiate but sustained in duration. In contrast, the GABAA receptor current has a rapid onset and short duration. GABA is about 10 times more potent at GABAA-ρ than it is at most GABAA receptors.

GABA-rho also has other effects GABAA does not and benzos do NOT bind to rho.

Ethanol on the other hand acts similarly to benzos, and may or may not interact with some of the same GABAA subunits, but also binds to another they don't (delta):

ethanol binds to [the] GABA receptor (especially the δ subunit) as a positive allosteric modulator

As we know, alcohol and benzo withdrawals are similar but different, and I don't think will "cross-react" to cause withdrawal. Given all this (extra info not asked for that I nevertheless feel I must justify my study of by including) I'd bet eating amanita muscaria isn't much of a cause for worry. It could temped you to get back on benzos though by feeling sort of similar, though if you can drink without craving them I really doubt the muscaria buzz will temp you psychologically.

GABAA receptor -- muscimol binds to the GABA site​

 

[EstherAmadore]

Washington Amanita Muscaria

I bought an ounce of grade A Washington State Amanita Muscaria. I know it is not technically considered a psychedelic but from what I understand it's in a similar category. I have never taken mushrooms of any kind before. I'm a pretty light drug user in general.

I was just hoping to hear about some people's experiences with this mushroom and how they took it, how much they took, how many people they were with. I want to invite some friends but I don't know if it would be a good idea to have a lot of people around and if an ounce would be enough. Is it safe to drink? Smoke weed?

So, basically, that's it. Thoughts, experiences, tips?

 

[EstherAmadore]

why does this have 96 views and no replies

 

[phuckingnutz]

why does this have 96 views and no replies

Here, i'll throw you a bone....how's that?

 

[psykedenlitenment]

I've messed around with amanitas. After a few 4 gram outings and not getting much more than sweaty.....oddness, I decided to go balls-to-the-wall and do an ounce. bad idea. It took me a while, but eventually, it turned out being the first intoxicant I've ever thrown out. And it was a great decision. I'm not trying to scare or deter you, but tread lightly and slowly; drink water. Oh another thing, it seems to make you really get a lot of nose running/mucus/phlegm gems.

 

[EstherAmadore]

@ phuckingnutz Haha, better than nothing, thanks.

@ psykedenlitenment yikes, an ounce on your own? thanks for the tips. I already paid for them (and they were relatively cheap) so I'll probably at least give them a shot but yeah I haven't been hearing great things.

 

[Solipsis]

I understand if you want an active discussion but in the meanwhile, we do have a centralized Amanita thread here:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=224033

Please check the links below in my signature: the Index and Beginner's FAQ, that way you should be able to find stuff and 'get' how PD is set up a whole lot quicker.

Be careful with Amanita's, they can produce weird waking dream / confused sleepwalking like states, certain physical side-effects and are not always as physically safe as psilocybian mushrooms. Although if used right I don't think they are immediately dangerous either. Just read up on a lot of trip reports that give you an idea of what to do and what not to do and what it may be like.
Will you have a trip sitter?

Have you checked Erowid?

First always try a drug, certainly one like this, without combining with anything. I would leave alcohol out of it, it also acts on GABA in the brain and may complicate the action and certain side-effects.
If you have a little more experience and a feel for a full Amanita experience, then I'd say you can consider smoking weed on it or maybe using certain other drugs.

 

[EstherAmadore]

@Solipsis I actually did look at that thread quite a bit after I posted this, thanks! And thanks for the response in general.

 

[Solipsis]

Cool, not sure if that means you were somewhat satisfied with the info there or not...

But no matter, why don't you elaborate on ideas or plans you might already have for taking them? Like a summary of your set and setting? Expectations, intentions, just anything relevant really - that could give us something to go on, we can check the ins and outs... try to help you bestest we can.

I only tried Amanitas once as extract and I didn't feel anything. But it was for the best because I was really a noob and a fool back then and it might have started working when I was walking through town. Did cost me like 20 bucks tho! The smartshop (like a headshop I guess) vendor dude claimed that I should have smoked the extract which is bullshit AFAIK.
And IIRC it was 1 gram of 10x extract so equal to 10 grams dry.

 

[EstherAmadore]

Cool, not sure if that means you were somewhat satisfied with the info there or not...

But no matter, why don't you elaborate on ideas or plans you might already have for taking them? Like a summary of your set and setting? Expectations, intentions, just anything relevant really - that could give us something to go on, we can check the ins and outs... try to help you bestest we can.

I only tried Amanitas once as extract and I didn't feel anything. But it was for the best because I was really a noob and a fool back then and it might have started working when I was walking through town. Did cost me like 20 bucks tho! The smartshop (like a headshop I guess) vendor dude claimed that I should have smoked the extract which is bullshit AFAIK.
And IIRC it was 1 gram of 10x extract so equal to 10 grams dry.

I definitely did find a lot of the info interesting.

I just bought some dried caps. From reading about people's experiences it seems like the best way is just to eat them as they are, maybe food process them in with regular food like applesauce? I'm mostly curious about the dosages that people recommend, which seems to vary from where they're harvested... I'll probably go with around 5 grams since it seems like the Pacific Northwest variety is pretty strong.

Funny, because I've grown up in Washington and Oregon and seen them growing all over the woods in certain areas, I just thought they were deadly poisonous in any amount until recently, maybe I should have just saved some money and gone on a hike, haha.

 

[Solipsis]

Well you really don't want to eat the wrong kind of Amanita so this is probably the wise move.

 

[sekio]

A. muscaria is pretty hard to mistake for anything else. Go read Tintin and the Shooting Star


The reason you're not getting any useful dosage information is because it can vary quite widely depending on growing conditions and season. Even between two mushrooms in the same 'patch' there can be variability in muscimol content.

Start slow and work your way up, amanita overdose isn't considered very pleasant.