Dissociatives The Big & Dandy Diphenidine Thread

[crOOk]

my friend said she lived a whole life as my daughter (aka "the green princess") in the first 15min of the experience lol. it got a lot weirder after that. god i hope shes gonna type up the notes. we went over them a few times and disected the events. most definitely the best dissociative experience ive ever had. "you didnt poison me to vivisect my brain, did you?"

after all the shit the rc labs have thrown out in these past years, finally heres one i really fucking like.

i cant stress enough that this is only for major dissociative enthusiasts though!!!!

 

[Ziiirp]

That it is surprising (stronger than PCP ? ). Maybe you got a product with higher purity. Someone mentioned problems with urinating a few hours after consumption. Were there any such problems for you and your friend ?

 

[crOOk]

That it is surprising (stronger than PCP ? ). Maybe you got a product with higher purity. Someone mentioned problems with urinating a few hours after consumption. Were there any such problems for you and your friend ?

Nope none at all. My friend asked if she had peed anywhere into the room though lol. PCP seems like kids' stuff compared to this one. Done pcp over 100 times.

I experimented with redosing on every of my 3 trial days and this is what worked best:

Something around 150mg orally for the first dose (optimal dosage will obviously vary), boosted by 1/3 of that at 90min after ingestion. Also, dissolving the substance in water and drinking it works a whole lot better than capping it, even on a full stomach it didn't take more than 30 minutes to kick in pretty hard, while with gel caps it took around an hour.

When I redosed another full dose 3h after ingestion, I ended up in a complete stupor which I did not have any memory of for ~2h, so I guess more frequent but lower dosages after the initial one work better.

 

[Polytoxic]

For YOU there is no hole because your tolerance is insane.
Without tolerance it's very easy to black out. But don't expect a K hole it's very different.

 

[crOOk]

For YOU there is no hole because your tolerance is insane.
Without tolerance it's very easy to black out. But don't expect a K hole it's very different.

Yeah that's what I'm saying. The expression "hole" has never really been clearly defined. It used to be associated to the state you enter on a breakthrough ketamine dosage, but NOT the dream like state on a high dosage of PCP or the pure blankness I experienced on very high doses of diphenidine. IV MXE supplied something very similar to a k hole, most remarkably proprioceptic sensations (floating, falling, travelling, morphing etc.).

So needless to say diphenidine can take you VEEERY far out there with little to no side effects. To me that state is nothing like the ketamine hole at all though and I doubt anyone else will find many similarities. Also, I perceive my surroundings pretty much unaltered except for the auditory distortions on diphenidine. Coordination seems only minimally affected, since I was still able to listen to my friend and scribble down whole sentences word for word. Remarkably enough, she was also able to remember these sentences word for word during the after effects and could relate them to specific thought during the experience, thereby being able to elaborate on the more bizarre of the statements, eventhough she is a complete dissociative virgin (had 135+50mg).

Oh and regarding my tolerance: In the past 4-8 weeks I administered dissociatives 4 times. Before that I had was using them occasionally, maybe every 2-6 months. I had one episode of daily PCP use for 3-4 months in 2006, but never have used dissociatives on a more frequent basis since then (more frequent then every couple of months). When I last used ketamine I still dosed the exact same amount I needed 9 years ago for a hole. I never had any episodes during which i had to increase my ketamine dosage to yield the desired effects.
I therefore wouldn't say I have any acute tolerance in the classical sense, it's just that the dissociative experience changes over time and becomes more familiar. I felt really comfortable at my 165mg+50mg booster dosage. I don't attribute that to tolerance (there is SOME tolerance ofc though, but to that level of dissociation being more processable for me than it would be to less experienced users. There is a level where I would just black out altogether as well though. I guess you could call it tolerance, but imho it really demands for a different word because it is a different phenomenom than the one that requires me to simply increase the dosage of a drug in order to yield the same effects.

 

[ComfortablyNumb95]

seems a very interesting chemical indeed. probably gonna order some.
my vendor also stocks MXP (methoxdiphenidine) how do they differ?

 

[crOOk]

seems a very interesting chemical indeed. probably gonna order some.
my vendor also stocks MXP (methoxdiphenidine) how do they differ?

Well I haven't tried 2-meo-diphenidine, but a drug couldn't be any more awesome than diphenidine!

 

[foolsgold]

crook speaks the truth this is the dogs bollocks even nicer than mxe gone for 2 more grams of this for next week vaping is heavenly when you hit it right this is not for the weak of mind it will melt you away no hole as such yet but i got close to the place i like when mixing mxe and stims without the stims .

got a gram of eph to mix with it next time as well because ive i busy week ahead best part is ive got an appointment with my drugs counselor same day as my next batch arrives lol going to turn up high as a kite hoping it helps this time to show that i am more than drug seeking and that i could just have a dependency problem

 

[foolsgold]

well my plans for indulging in this stuff next week have gone up in smoke going to have to be sensible with it and not go full out testing as I am busy for the next 2 weeks now

 

[clubcard]

I finally plucked up the courage to try diphenidine and I can see why some people find it scary - total (super)ego loss is something I've only experienced with high-dose DMT (85mg). If you can let go - not fight the trip, it's very peaceful. It does lack the dopamine push of MXE but I hate all stimulants with with a vengeance so it suited me. I think that a more soluble (i.e. snortable) form would be a great improvement so people can control the dosing better.

I haven't tried the 2-MeO derivative and reports suggest it's more stimulating so I may pass.

Just my 2c

 

[foolsgold]

right well today's the day my next batch arrives got to go out today as well so will be fun to find out what it like in a public situation .

i think this stuff is best suited for i.m or i.v to be truthful some thing i will not be trying but it seemed to be talking to last time like ok you hit a wall next step is a needle in your arm

edit:
just got my 2 g about 30 minutes ago vaped a nice few lumps noticed all ready even with this sparse use that tolerance issues have all ready a risen strange head ache this time starting to fade now but odd .

also its the tastiest drug ive ever had its delicious but the taste smell lingers its one that just catches you by surprise you just get a whiff and flash backs .

back to the foil for an hour or two before heading out

 

[FrogWarrior]

foolsgold I'm moderately confused by your post. So you're seeing black fish after vaping a few bumps? Anyhow, I just want to say that pregabalin goes well with this. Replaces the head vibrations with a warm fuzzy feeling. Too soon to conclude though. Wait for that wizard with the beard to come by, he knows whats what.

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Whoa watch this on dp:
http://vimeo.com/10318134

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Diphenidine what an ununderstandable substance

 

[crOOk]

right well today's the day my next batch arrives got to go out today as well so will be fun to find out what it like in a public situation .

i think this stuff is best suited for i.m or i.v to be truthful some thing i will not be trying but it seemed to be talking to last time like ok you hit a wall next step is a needle in your arm

Yeah I don't know, I actually think I am gonna pass on iv'ing this for now. I'll iv ketamine and mxe, but for some reason it doesn't seem that appealing to iv this one. I guess it's kinda shtronk enough already when taken orally lol.

 

[FrogWarrior]

Yesterday I did 80mg (spaced out over about 2 hours) of diphenidine with 150mg of pregabalin and found the experience more pleasant and less chaotic than the time I did it with etizolam. It was still completely mind warping and confusing but I managed to carry out my preassigned task of watching a youtube hypnotic induction. I cant be hypnotised when I'm sober so I wanna know if it'll work when my concious mind isn't functioning normally. I think it worked to a degree, I need to experiment with it more though. Interesting note: I think I cured my negative relationship with cannabis. I smoked some cannabis at the tail end of the diphenidine and for a good 20 minutes I was very high but not the least bit paranoid, then I remembered that cannabis is supposed to have bad effects on me and slowly things started turning bad until I felt all the psychosis effects I usually do, then I realised that its all in my head and I reversed it again. I tested this out by taking a massive dose and not the slightest bit of paranoia. Very interesting.

Has anyone mapped out a timeline yet, from ingestion until your "fully" back to normal? Yesterday I thought I was normal enough to go back into the world and I tried to engage in a conversation but found that I couldn't talk. I could think about what I wanted to say, but I couldn't actually verbalise it so I was just mumbling and saying short, incomplete sentences.

edit:
Another interesting note: Yesterday after smoking the cannabis, I noticed my mind was rapping, everything I was thinking about my mind was converting into rap lyrics along with the tune. This might be a good substance for music producers, I was hearing rap music I'd never heard before, some of it was pretty good. Weird stuff. Why rap? Why not country music or reggae? Maybe in the future it'll be a different genre. Hopefully drum n bass thats my favorite. All in all, I am really glad I found this substance (or this substance found me). I didn't know if it was even possible to reverse that negative reaction I had to cannabis, I tried to solve it with ayahuasca in the past, and here out of the blue diphenidine solves it for me. It was a profoundly interesting observation because the moment I remembered that cannabis is supposed to make me psychotic, things started turning darker over about 10 minute period until I was paralysed with a sense of terror, but then I thought, fuck this its only myself bringing on this negative state, I'm gonna change it and it worked. It didn't happen instantly, it took about 5 minutes for that paralysing terror to dissipate, and about 20 minutes until I was in a neutral state again. I did multiple tests to make sure it wasn't just a coincidence, after the DP and cannabis had worn off I tried taking large doses of cannabis, then after that tried UR-144 and the psychosis was gone.

does anyone think i should transcribe the notebook?

edit: i am quite impressed at my ability to keep a record of the most striking moments of our "conversation" despite being on 215mg of the stuff myself. this wouldnt be possible on ketamine. but ketamine and other dissociatives just lost the magic for me, they never fuck with my mind like this stuff does anymore, not even if i iv them. couldnt imagine what would happen if i iv'ed this stuff. not planning to lol.

I haven't been following the thread fully so I don't know exactly what you're talking about but I say yeah, transcribe it. I have a feeling whatever you're talking about transcribing will be some mind bogglingly interesting shit.

 

[hangyourhead]

Shit I think a batch that was falsely labeled MXE that I ordered through a Chems R Us-approved "trust-worthy" vendor and I am about certain that it was Diphenidine felt like a mild MXE dissociation, but with strange, possibly baribituate-like black outs, or at least I felt like I was kinda blacking out in a stimulating, manic yet strangely enjoyable weird dreamy dissociation, similar to low doses of MXE and Ketamine.

Definitely wanna order again. Along with some quality arycyclohexylamines: 3-MEO-PCP, Methoxetamine, Norethylketamine (Maybe?..), and if possible 3-HO-PCP or some 4-MeO-PCP. Or PCP, preferably a wet cig, angel dust, clear liquid PCP, or PCP dipped parsley, mint leaves ie Spearmint dipped, or possibly just PCP-dipped nugs of marijuana.

 

[DocGonzo]

Has anyone mapped out a timeline yet, from ingestion until your "fully" back to normal?

For me, according to my last 2 experiences, the total duration seems to be around 8 or 9 hours, from ingestion to feeling pretty much baseline. After the 4 or 5 hour mark I'm always starting to feel relatively normal again.

 

[crOOk]

For me, according to my last 2 experiences, the total duration seems to be around 8 or 9 hours, from ingestion to feeling pretty much baseline. After the 4 or 5 hour mark I'm always starting to feel relatively normal again.

Residual dissociation (slight confusion, impaired motor skills) can be felt for at least 12h for me and those who I know and who have tried it. The plateau seems to be around 2h for me, but sleep usually won't come before 5 or 6h.

 

[DocGonzo]

Residual dissociation (slight confusion, impaired motor skills) can be felt for at least 12h for me and those who I know and who have tried it. The plateau seems to be around 2h for me, but sleep usually won't come before 5 or 6h.

May I ask at what dosage range this is and is there redosing involved? It seems I'm dosing lower than you (80 - 100 mg so far) and I haven't redosed as of yet. I agree on the plateau, seems like 1.5 to 2 hours for me. I have (slight) trouble falling asleep even after 8 or 9 hours. Maybe I haven't been noticing after effects till 12h because I've been going to sleep sooner than that. But the feeling after 8 or 9 hours is pretty much baseline to me at my dosage. I should probably need some more experiences.

 

[psood0nym]

I noticed my mind was rapping, everything I was thinking about my mind was converting into rap lyrics along with the tune. This might be a good substance for music producers, I was hearing rap music I'd never heard before, some of it was pretty good. Weird stuff. Why rap? Why not country music or reggae? Maybe in the future it'll be a different genre.

I've noticed that the auditory hallucinations evoked by dissociatives tend to riff off of and elaborate on droning or rhythmic environmental sounds to synthesize this mind music, so it's only natural that experiences of this kind lean toward the more rhythm focused genres (dance, rap, drum n' bass, etc.). If you start hearing a lot of aural hallucinations, that's the time to try moving around and orienting your head in different positions while listening to fans, washing machines, air conditioners and the like. They supply the "bass line" for all sorts of music you think you've heard before but, when you really listen, it's clear it's coming from inside your head. It's pretty fascinating. As far as I can discern the dissociatives are creating a mind state where patterns are subconsciously projected onto sources of droning noise that approximate white noise (true randomness), and rhythmic variations within that noise -- such as those the oscillation of a washing bin might produce -- are used as mnemonic cues to users' various memories of professional music, which are then "mashed up" in perception and output for us to hear in our mind's ear. At a bioinformatic level, I think what's going on is probably very similar to the phenomena of seeing animated forms in TV static in the visual modality (and that you can see stone sober if you've got an old television).

By shifting your head, closing a door to increase distortion, putting your ear to a wall, or whatever, you can effectively re-orchestrate things. And if you listen closely enough and move systematically, you can hear how doing so alters the perceptual "musical" output. I'd think you'd have to be a producer who was extremely familiar with his equipment to faithfully translate this sort of subjective tinkering to an external source in the sort of mental state most dissociatives leave one in, but if you were diligent and disciplined enough maybe something could be pulled off.

 

[Solipsis]

I've acquired 500 mg of diphenidine but since I worried my roommate with my shameless display of MXE intoxication last month (who subsequently couldn't resist borrowing some when I was away for the holidays) I'd hate to be found utterly lost. It does sound like a person could use a trip sitter or at the very least it is not like drug use has to remain a secret but I'd like to be able to mind my own business. I guess that's reasonable? Hopefully in a short while I will either have the house to myself or he will be understanding of my little planned adventure.

The static seems like consciousness losing literal coherence, as in: different cooperating circuits are not able to cause resonating brain waves with proper clean efficiency any longer? I think the static is rather the left-over activity than the feeling of the drug tickling receptors... that should seem more homogenous right? In any case to me it always felt like ketamine tickled my brain using a specific wavetable pattern. Kinda like a slightly polished sawtooth that rattles like the one-way turning gear. It is also a sort of synaesthetic translation of the letter K (funny enough) similar to the bouba/kiki effect.
I kind of forgot what kind of wavetable 3-MeO-PCP and 3-MeO-PCE produced in me but I believe it was more transparent than that.