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Chronic LSD Psychosis?

^ Too much LSD either sends you loopy very quickly (RARELY) or you just become a bit odd & CAN reintegrate with the washed masses after a little time spent in your own head formly placed in their world. Works a treat I've been & gone & then returned a couple of times - yeah yeah yeah.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAeYTC_uY54 outer space is where it's at <3 Or somthing ................................................ like that :)
 
It's worth pointing out that the rate of schizophrenia nowadays is the same as it was 100 years ago.
Where do you get this information from? Another analysis I saw would disagree.
What they arn't accepting is that drug use can make a sane person insane. I do not believe you can take a sane person, give him LSD and make him insane. LSD just doesn't do that - that's why the CIA abandoned it as a weapon.
Combat related psychosis.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10074874
Are you going to make an argument that psychosis is caused by predisposition and that 40% of these men would have had psychotic breaks regardless?
If predisposition was that widespread then you would expect it to happen more often, do we see that level of reported psychosis when you look at people in medical facilities for taking LSD?
You are welcome swilow :)
None of psychiatry’s classic mistakes—from masturbatory insanity and its cures, to the disease of homosexuality and its compulsory treatment with “aversion therapy,” and to the attribution of the cause of schizophrenia to reverberating circuits in the frontal lobes and its cure with lobotomy (rewarded with a Nobel Prize in Medicine)—are “innocent” errors.
To say what you are saying, I do not think you have put yourself in the proper mindframe and timeframe. They did not have any way to treat schizophrenic and psychotic patients and they learned about giving patients the lobotomy, which had bad side-effects and many were performed before being replaced by new drug therapy. They were done before they were able to study the long-term prognosis. It is hardly a reason to devalue medical experts today.
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Individuals experiencing something as simple as moving to a new country are at an increased risk in developing psychosis. Does it not seem possible that people who take a high enough doses of LSD are experiencing a new set of subjective events that may be have a similar dissociative effect on them? The idea is not that psychosis must be caused by a severely bad trip, but at a certain dose it is touching on that same weakness and possibly causing the same increased risk for psychosis?
 
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Given the history of great difficulty with diagnosing schizophrenia it seems to me like it would probably take some very smart manipulation of huge amounts of data to be able to compare the rates of schizophrenia prevalence properly...

Especially if you want to be able to measure the significance of the use of psychedelics while other factors are normalized. And the use of psychedelics didn't always have the same prevalence either (e.g. 70's), although that wouldn't be the greatest challenge. (here's some statistics)
 
...If you have a strong history of paranoid schizophrenia in your family, then LSD isn't the drug for you.

It's crazy because out of all the research I've done and what people have told me, that seems to be the case, but personally, My mom and a couple of my other close relatives are schizophrenic and I've tripped on LSD and tons of other drugs a lot in my life. I've never had any adverse effects or even bad trip in my life time. The only thing thats changed, is now my pupils are two different sizes haha... crazy.
 
Then I guess you were lucky. The fact that it hasn't gone awry yet doesn't mean that it can't or won't. (An incredibly common fallacy) But it's also possible that you did not inherit the relevant genes..

I have some mental illness in my family and I am not 100% mentally stable, but my problems are not with my sense of reality which helps a lot it seems.
 
I think any major tragic mental state can trigger skizo mental disorders. People can get mental problems trigged from fires, break ups, deaths, having your reality torn up on LSD could be traumatic for many people. I don't think the LSD caused it I think they were already prone to mental break up.

I have taken some pretty big trips and pondered on them and it made me think that normal peoples mental states of "reality" are pretty strong and resultant. Most people can bend their minds pretty far out there and the flex back to normal. But what if the persons mental state has cracks in it?
 
Now whenever I'm under pressure or in a stressful situation the first thought that pops to my mind, quite involuntarily, is "what time is it?"
I am not certain whether or not that qualifies as a flashback.
 
When I lied and said I wasn't drinking, the cop was pissed and told me to "get out of the car!" I asked a cop teaching one of the classes I went to if he woulda let me go and he said, "yes."
I told a cop I had a few drinks and proceeded to pass the sobriety test. It probably helped a lot I told the truth.
First of all, most cops just want you to admit the truth because they know that will help you and jail will not. You are still going to be in trouble, but you might think about it and being honest holds a lot of power. I felt good about that night and I am sure the cop looked at my test differently than if I had tried lying to him. Out of everyone you try and bullshit those cops are the ones who have heard and seen it all before.
 
i hardly think that john lennon himself would agree that lsd never caused him "the slightest problem".

Well he said in the playboy interview in 1980 that he took millions of trips in the sixties and never had a flashback in his life and "I'm not promoting LSD so don't all you committees start writing to me but all the things the government says it does to you are bullshit".

he experienced such horrific trips on LSD he had to stop using it

Yeah, he stopped for about a fortnight. After taking it almost daily for 18 months. Then he went back to it and tripped with Yoko and Derek Taylor and had one of the most profound, positive experience of his life. In 1974 he wrote to Derek saying "Found some nice windowpane, my mind is clear" so he kept using it.

Incidentally, having a bad trip is not the same thing as having mental illness. You can have a bad trip and not be mentally ill.

Part of Rolling Stone interview with John Lennon

How did you first get involved in LSD?

A dentist in London laid it on George, me and the wives, without telling us, at a dinner party at his house. He was a friend of George's and our dentist at the time, and he just put it in our coffee or something.

When you came down, what did you think?

I was pretty stoned for a month or two. The second time we had it was in L.A. We were on tour in one of those houses, Doris Day's house or wherever it was we used to stay, and the three of us took it, Ringo, George and I. Maybe Neil [Aspinall] and a couple of the Byrds - what's his name, the one in the Stills and Nash thing? - Crosby and the other guy who used to do the lead. McGuinn. I think they came, I'm not sure, on a few trips. Peter Fonda came, and that was another thing. He kept saying [in a whisper], ``I know what it's like to be dead.'' It was a sad song, an acidy song, I suppose. ``When I was a little boy'' . . . you see, a lot of early childhood was coming out, anyway. So LSD started for you in 1964.

How long did it go on?

It went on for years, I must have had a thousand trips. Literally a thousand, or a couple of hundred? A thousand - I used to just eat it all the time.

The other Beatles didn't get into LSD as much as you did?

George did. In L.A. the second time we took it, Paul felt very out of it because we are all a bit slightly cruel, sort of ``we're taking it, and you're not.'' But we kept seeing him, you know. We couldn't eat our food; I just couldn't manage it, just picking it up with our hands. There were all these people serving us in the house, and we were knocking food on the floor and all of that. It was a long time before Paul took it. I think George was pretty heavy on it; we are probably the most cracked. Paul is a bit more stable than George and I.

And straight?

I don't know about straight. Stable. I think LSD profoundly shocked him and Ringo. I think maybe they regret it.

Did you have many bad trips?

I had many. Jesus Christ, I stopped taking it because of that. I just couldn't stand it.

You got too afraid to take it?

It got like that, but then I stopped it for I don't know how long, and then I started taking it again just before I met Yoko. I got the message that I should destroy my ego, and I did, you know. I was slowly putting myself together round about Maharishi time. Bit by bit over a two-year period, I had destroyed me ego. I didn't believe I could do anything. I just was nothing. I was shit. Then Derek [Taylor, Apple press officer] tripped me out at his house after he got back from L.A. He sort of said, ``You're all right,'' and pointed out which songs I had written: ``You wrote this,'' and ``You said this,'' and ``You are intelligent, don't be frightened.'' The next week I went to Derek's with Yoko, and we tripped again, and she made me realize that I was me and that it's all right. That was it; I started fighting again, being a loudmouth again and saying, ``I can do this. Fuck it. This is what I want,'' you know. ``I want it, and don't put me down.'' I did this, so that's where I am now. At some point, right between `Help!' and `Hard Day's Night,' you got into drugs and got into doing drug songs. A Hard Day's Night, I was on pills. That's drugs, that's bigger drugs than pot. I started on pills when I was fifteen, no, since I was seventeen, since I became a musician. The only way to survive in Hamburg to play eight hours a night, was to take pills. The waiters gave you them - the pills and drink. I was a fucking dropped-down drunk in art school. Help! was where we turned on to pot, and we dropped drink, simple as that. I've always needed a drug to survive. The others, too, but I always had more, more pills, more of everything because I'm more crazy probably.

How do you think LSD affected your conception of the music? In general?

It was only another mirror. It wasn't a miracle. It was more of a visual thing and a therapy, looking at yourself a bit. It did all that. You know, I don't quite remember. But it didn't write the music. I write the music in the circumstances in which I'm in, whether it's on acid or in the water.
 
It's worth pointing out that the rate of schizophrenia nowadays is the same as it was 100 years ago. If psychedelics increased peoples chances of developing it then the rate of schizophrenia would have skyrocketed over the last 40 years.
Would it?
"In the past 40 years, youth suicide rates have almost tripled." Source: The Jason Foundation
"In the last 45 years suicide rates have increased by 60% worldwide." Source: Suicide prevention (SUPRE)
I AM NOT SAYING THEY ARE RELATED BUT USING THIS AS AN EXAMPLE!
Besides, it seems nobody is suggesting that LSD causes schizophrenia. That kind of hypothesis was the objective of LSD research done in the '60s. Researchers soon understood that LSD was not causing schizophrenia.
Then I guess you were lucky. The fact that it hasn't gone awry yet doesn't mean that it can't or won't.
"The damage that someone does to their brain by smoking marijuana (or taking other street drugs) when they are younger (under the age of 18) may only become evident later in life; between the ages of 19 and 30, when the person develops schizophrenia.
Schizophrenia can sometimes be triggered by heavy use of hallucinogenic drugs, especially LSD; but it appears that one has to have a predisposition towards developing schizophrenia for this to occur. There is also some evidence suggesting that people suffering from schizophrenia but responding to treatment can have an episode as a result of use of LSD. Methamphetamine and PCP also mimic the symptoms of schizophrenia, and can trigger ongoing symptoms of schizophrenia in those who are vulnerable." Source: 1996-2013 Schizophrenia.com
 
It's often struck me that, unlike most psychedelics & LSD in particular, as well as being a deleriant, alcohol is much more a mimic of psychosis than any "psychotomimetic" I've ever come across.
 
There's a notorious 'acid head' around my area, who was given it when he was a toddler (2-3 years old) by his older brother. Then when he was around 18-19 he ate a CD case worth of acid all in one go while being cheered on by his friends. Now he is mentally screwed up, about a year ago he thought he was blind for a whole month and thought mey friend was bob dylan. He has been tested and officialy had HPPD and scitzophernia (sp?)

Damn I love reading about urban legends.

The closest thing to real psychosis is meth psychosis after staying up for days on high doses. Alcohol is pretty similar though.
 
Part of Rolling Stone interview with John Lennon

Yeah but, as I said, the rolling stone interview was done just after Lennon came out of primal therapy - which demonises LSD as one of the most dangerous things a human being can do. Once he'd gone off primal therapy he started getting back into psychedelics.

Schizophrenia can sometimes be triggered by heavy use of hallucinogenic drugs, especially LSD; but it appears that one has to have a predisposition towards developing schizophrenia for this to occur.

But if the schizophrenia rates havn't changed in the last 100 years then obviously psychedelic drugs have had no effect whatsoever. As for "triggering" it - I don't believe schizophrenia can really be "triggered". It develops usually around the late teens/early 20s period. If there was a "trigger" then whats "triggering" all those people who develop it and havn't taken LSD?

Schizophrenia is likely a genetic illness.
 
Yeah but, as I said, the rolling stone interview was done just after Lennon came out of primal therapy - which demonises LSD as one of the most dangerous things a human being can do. Once he'd gone off primal therapy he started getting back into psychedelics.
He talks about getting back on them in the interview, but I am not sure if this was after he had primal therapy.

But if the schizophrenia rates havn't changed in the last 100 years then obviously psychedelic drugs have had no effect whatsoever. As for "triggering" it - I don't believe schizophrenia can really be "triggered". It develops usually around the late teens/early 20s period. If there was a "trigger" then whats "triggering" all those people who develop it and havn't taken LSD?

Schizophrenia is likely a genetic illness.
"Today the leading theory of why people get schizophrenia is that it is a result of a genetic predisposition combined with an environmental exposures and / or stresses during pregnancy or childhood that contribute to, or trigger, the disorder." Source:http://www.schizophrenia.com/szfacts.htm

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Source:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=8178665&query_hl=1

"The Incidence of Schizophrenia Has Changed Over Time

Narrative reviews based on historical texts have speculated that the incidence of schizophrenia has fluctuated over the centuries.21 In fact, recent empirical studies provide support for this notion. Studies in southeast London between 1965 and 1997 show that the incidence of schizophrenia at this site doubled during the intervening decades.22 In contrast, a systematic review of the incidence of schizophrenia establishes that more recent studies have found significantly lower incidence rates compared to earlier studies.6 Such fluctuation would be expected in light of the dynamic shifts in population structure (e.g., the aging population) and exposure to various risk factors (e.g., migration, urbanicity, substance use). Fluctuations in the incidence of schizophrenia across time would also be congruent with the evidence that so-called schizophrenia birth rates (i.e., the proportion of individuals born in a certain month or year who later go on to develop schizophrenia) shows secular change23 and intradecadal fluctuations.24"
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...p5jkzrNAFhJFFDg&bvm=bv.51773540,d.b2I&cad=rjt

Your logic is suspect.
There are 600,000 people in the U.S. who wear pink hats.
There are 600,000 people in the U.S who are homeless.
Does this mean that homeless people wear pink hats?
 
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I had an acid trip that lasted for five years, but I eventually pulled myself out of it. Purely a psychological phenomenon and not physiological if you ask me. I think that I just learned to recreate the LSD experience continuously. It was the idea that I was some sort of freak or that I had harmed myself that kept me stuck in that rut. Also it was related to a hesitation to fully delve into what was brought up in the last trip and work on the psychological issues. Eventually, I got some insights and proved that I was still quite capable of doing everything that I could have had I not dropped the acid. A very beneficial experience in the long run. Best thing that ever happened to me, but it seemed like a living hell at the time. Now I have no visuals or "flashbacks" during my daily activities, but as soon as I turn out the light, I see rainbow colored geometric patterns which lead to an endless series of images. At least that's what happens if I want to bring it out. 12 years since the last time I dropped acid and I think that it was quite beneficial over the long term.
 
I had some super strong acid in the 80s, I was in high school. I had a few really amazing trips and then a really intense one that went over the edge. It took good 1 month of super weirds, 6 months of moderate to heavy weirds, and another year of mild weirds to get over it.
I would have panic attacks, flashbacks, fears, especially of bugs, was afraid to try other drugs for a bit and kept pretty mellow in my 20s because of it. I tried to get counseling but no counselor wanted to have at that.

I am proof!!! I came out of it though. I certainly dont fear spiders any more, where others squeem at em. I am OK with spiders. I also got comfortable taking mushrooms a few years later. I tried LSD again 15 years after that and was fine, but the stuff these days is nothing like the stuff in the 80s. I still got anxiety from different kinds, some not, so I stuck to mushrooms.
 
Let's not forget psychedelics can speed up when one will develop up an un avoidable brain condition destined for there future.

Start reading deep into some medical publications you will find alot of information on this if you want to spend the time. Not all LSD related documents are top ten on google.

30 Years ago they needed hot tub heat treatment to get chronic LSD users back to normal. I have been hospitalized months after a 50 hit binge, and I have personal friends who have never been the same since, any perceptual change can cause this, it varies how long it can last. You can trip once and have LSD psychosis for life, it can even be a placebo that you put on yourself.

This is very rare, playing with LSD-25 is playing with fire, no one will deny that, at least the non-ignorant.

Its almost impossible you wont get all your motor skills back and standard perception but psychosis is a broad word and life time " psychosis is very possible "

That's why You screen screen customers when selling LSD, if you know what your doing, people get declined by good dealers to prevent the customer going down the wrong path.
 
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Just a completely random aside, who knows what causes schizophrenia. Maybe loads was induced in the early part of the last century by the horrific wars that were being fought, maybe the acid counterbalanced that in the latter half of the century... Who the fuck knows. If your bit mentally unstable probably not a great idea to bash a load of acid, just like it's probably not a good idea to go over the top of a trench and charge a machine gun. Any kind of hyper real experiences can probably act as a trigger.

On the other hand popping acid has been great for me!!
 
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