The Cuddle Puddle vers. "Dude, can't handle it unplug this bastard"

[matt2012]

I must be old now....because all the that post looks like strange hyroglyphics to me

 

[Folley]

where did you get the information......................that's what I'm after.

"I learned it from you Dad.... I learned it from you!" *sad glare*



It's obvious you have a problem with ME, not what I say. I won't lower myself to your level anymore, but I will encourage you to do your own research and if you find and conflicting views, please, bring them to my attention.


From what you've said, Erowid agrees with me, but doesn't have absolute knowledge on what is causing this to occur.

Thank you and have a nice day you bloody munted cunt...

 

[Mailmonkey]

J

When it comes to Serotonin Syndrome, I err on the side of caution and believe that the 10+ cases that I've seen that implicate the two drugs combined in SS.

You've personally seen 10+ cases of serotonin syndrome??? Really? I've never ever seen one. But I suppose I'm not an eminent medical professional like you clearly are, and , in comparison with yourself, I am relatively inexperienced when it comes to MDMA, and probably haven't met half the people you have....

Do you think you've had serotonin syndrome yourself?

You're kidding yourself now. SS is a VERY real condition, and can lead to death in some cases. If I can save one person from that, then I'll deal with waiting until a case study comes out.

Is it the life-saving or the pontificating that turns you on more?

It's obvious you have a problem with ME, not what I say.

I have a problem with you, AND what you say. You speak to anyone who disagrees with you like they are some kind of ignorant retard.

So anyway, tell me about these 10+ cases of serotonin syndrome you witnessed? Did the symptoms start for people after you started giving them a rundown about what might be wrong with them? Did you persuade people on a comedown that their headache was actually a sure diagnosis of serotonin syndrome?

And why do you ask swedger

Who the fuck are you anyway?

Who the fuck are you?

 

[Folley]

This is just getting ridiculous.


I'm not answering your questions, you just want to start SHIT with me anyway. If you have something you ACTUALLY wish to debate about, I will be happy to weigh in on the subject. But as far as this goes, you're just using it as an excuse to personally attack me and I'm not going to give you the ammunition to do it.





Fucks given = 0

 

[laugh]

weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character - einstein

your attitude, not your aptitude, will determine your altitude - ziglar

 

[2after909]

Make sure to stop the 5-HTP and vitamin C dosing a day or two before you stop. Vitamin C will shorten the length of a roll

I think you're mixing up facts here. I am not aware that vitamin C shortens the duration of MDMA. possibly, you have this confused with amphetamine. excretion of amphetamine is affected by urinary pH, so intake of vitamin C (ascorbic acid) plays a role there.

 

[Renz Envy]

Refrain from personal attacks.


Thank You

If someone is wrong and there are sources to prove it, getting frustrated is no way to move a point.

OK) State facts, point sources, wait for an equal or greater retaliation of sources and facts.

Do not:
Not OK) State facts, withhold sources, personally attack others who disagree.

Moving on...
Chances are, most of the people who mention serotonin have no idea how complicated that neurochemical really is. I would avoid playing with the subject unless one plans to take their postulations into Advanced drug discussion or up against an actual neurologist. Many of the "Sayings" (such as 1-3 month waiting periods) are made through both experience and scientific support.

In my opinion, if one wishes to increase their chances of serotonin syndrome, by all means take high doses of tryptophan or 5-HTP during an MDMA or bk-MDMA peak.

Serotonin Syndrome does happen, but it occurs far less often than what many believe. Panic attacks, hyperthermia, and other MDMA-related conditions share many of the same qualities of Serotonin Syndrome and are much more common.

Nothing is 100%.
Everything is dose dependent.

 

[2after909]

You've personally seen 10+ cases of serotonin syndrome???

folley probably made that up. i def wouldn't take 5-htp the day (or night) of doing mdma. as renz pointed out, that increases the chance of serotonin toxicity. at least popular sources such as erowid and wikipedia say so. post-loading *after* you've come down (to help with the hangover) is a different story.

 

[swedger77]

So far I have been called a lazy bastard and a bloody munted cunt (quite liked that one) for merely questioning Folleys point. I have done nothing more than to ask her to provide me with some reference for what she has stated. She has pointed me to Wiki which does not state at all that mixing MDMA and 5-HTP causes serotonin. Erowid says more research is needed.

I fully understand where and why this idea comes from and would also be willing to believe in it but would just like some evidence and references to add weight to the idea. I am very interested in this as i do personally supplement in 5-HTP and have done so for the entire duration of 2 clubbing holidays in Ibiza where MDMA was being abused.

There has been a lot of talk recently of unnecessary scaremongering within the ED section of BLuelight.

A very clear example of scaremongering is when a 17 year old girl claims to of seen 10+ cases of Serotonin Syndrome. Most Doctors in their entire lifetime would not see Serotonin Syndrome 10 times. And yet here we have a young, relatively inexperienced girl who has seen 10 cases. When I question her statements I get abuse and the sort of attitude one would expect from a huffy pre-menstrual teenager.

 

[Renz Envy]

I'm aware.

It is best to take information from sources you find credible (perhaps Blue light, wikipedia or erowid) and weigh them with other credible sources to validate facts. Serotonin syndrome has always been a hot topic in ED and it will never become censored. I do not plan to censor anyone for providing exaggerations or minor misinformation.

Perhaps one should analyze that the basis of an argument requires participation from all sides. A person skilled in the art of debate will come off as seeming intelligent, informed, well kept and mannered whereas the individual who stoops to excessively demean the credibility of the other person will, in the end, lose as they are not utilizing all sides of the art.

 

[Renz Envy]

this is a HR forum. so, when you try to boil down/simplify things a little bit, it's better to err on the side of caution.

I agree with this statement. It is unwise to over analyze the validity of others' experiences from an online forum. For all you know, I'm the troll and everyone else is being trolled.

 

[swedger77]

Im happy with err'ing on the side of caution having read more on it.

As Folley attempted to say "there is potential for Serotonin Syndrome when taking MDMA and other drugs that act on the serotonin system."

 

[dezz]

Just rolled yesterday. A little dissapointing to say the least. I got skyhigh, more so then usual but the experience pretty much faded away after 3 hours... very short duration but hiiigh intensity. Weird

 

[StrutterGear]

Eurgh... This is why I dont drink anymore. Ended up cotching at some nutter bird's house, she has bipolar and her mate's scary as fuck haha

 

[Chesh]

From Erowid :-

"Unfortunately, it is also possible that 5-HTP could increase the risk of serotonin syndrome and research needs to be done to determine whether this is a practical concern."

No need to be rude

He said it can cause SS in some cases so calm down.

 

[Bearlove]

Just rolled yesterday. A little dissapointing to say the least. I got skyhigh, more so then usual but the experience pretty much faded away after 3 hours... very short duration but hiiigh intensity. Weird

How long would it normally have lasted you without a redose? 3 hours and then fading away sounds pretty typical tbh.

 

[dezz]

Hm normally the "love" is still very present up to 4 to 5 hours. Now after 3 the love was just gone, and I felt good yeah, but it felt more like an amphetamine high then mdma

 

[Chesh]

I was so close to getting tickets for this but I ended up going to Brixton o2 on Tuesday to see Prodigy, Jaguar skills & Caspa. I don't think I can be bothered navigating London again. Just sorted tickets out for Supercharged in Brighton, Shy FX, High Rankin & Mind Vortex. After that we're heading to a 3am-8am Julio Bashmore after party. Going to be a hectic one for sure, shame I'll just be drinking.

I debated going to the Urban Nerds warehouse rave, after that finished they have an after-party at MOS that finishes at 2pm. Literally spoilt for choice this New Years!

Mind Vortex do an alright set but I think they're better producers than DJs. How come you're only drinking?

House night


Connected NYE with MK
DJs: Marc Kinchen - MK, Amine Edge & DANCE, Waifs & Strays, No Artificial Colours, Matt Fear, Jesse James & Johnny Bloomfield, , Matt Rich, Ricky Torres, Mark Derry, Kolo & Dyze, Neil Catlin, Scott Rozario, Habit To Others, Multiplayerz, Danny Lawson, Luke Jeffery, Sam Pope, Richie La Rue

Don't even like House but I'll be on it and the people I with don't like DnB and Dubstep. Will be leaving at some point to remedy my ears with some decent music back home

Hopefully it's good anyway

Don't really know any of them, not into house really. Although I do like some houseish stuff (Deep House, UK Funky House or whatever the fuck it's called etc.)

As long as you enjoy the company (and the drugs) you'll have a cracking time mate.

 

[2after909]

Ended up cotching at some nutter bird's house, she has bipolar and her mate's scary as fuck haha

you've lost a non-native speaker here. i had to look up not one but two terms on urbandictionary to understand this shit. makes me wonder if americans are familiar with the terms "cotching" and "bird" in this context.

 

[swedger77]

Sorry to barge in mate but you are being a cunt.

He said it can cause SS in some cases so calm down.

Im happy with err'ing on the side of caution having read more on it.

As Folley attempted to say "there is potential for Serotonin Syndrome when taking MDMA and other drugs that act on the serotonin system."

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