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The Big & Dandy 5-MeO-DMT Thread - First Launch

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Trip report!

So, I tried to turn 60mg of Hcl into freebase. Seems like it worked. My new scale had arrived so I scraped some crystals and weighted 13 mg (after testing and calibrating the scale, it seemed ok to +/- 2mg). I put the crystals into a lightbulb I had made, and put some weed on top to help with the nausea (I felt like I wanted to puke everything out the first tries, so I thought what the hell, maybe it'll help.) I kicked out my cat, closed the door, turned off the tv and hid everything in a walking distance that I could break. I hit the bulb, waited around 10 seconds to let it heat up, and then when I saw some smoke/vapor inside I started to puff. I puffed until I felt my lungs full, so I dropped the bulb on a pair of jeans I had set aside by my bed, turned off the lights and dropped on my bed. I felt my lungs full, and the flavor was foul as fuck, I tried to hold it in as much as I could and the exhaled. I could hear it starting to rain.

Immediatly I started to feel something, I could notice a body buzz and something taking a hold of me. In that instant I got very, very anxious (I didn't even know the feeling before), and I thought to myself that I had taken too much and I would die, or OD, and that I was not ready for such a strong drug. As soon as I noticed that was going into the worst trip of my life, I started to think about my gf and family, and after repeating "I love my gf" a few times suddenly the fear was gone and I felt such bliss, happyness, and I felt so relaxed. That was when I noticed that I could move again, so I turned on the lights and the tv. I noticed I could no longer hear the rain. I had turned off my phone before I started, so I turned it on and saw the time. Since this was my first time and I was alone, it didn't occur to me to check the hour before because I thought I'd remember the trip.

Did I trip? When I let the smoke out, I could feel myself going into a void of hell, and that it'd last for a few hours if I was lucky and didnt die before. The next thing is that I was able to move, and feeling good. So, I don't really know if I tripped. Is it normal that I dont remember? Was it too much, or too little? I remember thinking that I finally "broke through" after inhaling, but suddely I was back before I even knew it. What I did notice is that when I turned on the TV I could hear echoes, auditory distortions. I put some music on to confirm, I was feeling something.

Edit: seems like this is quite common with this substance. I guess today I'll try sublingual instead of smoking.
 
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^Hmm, I've never blacked out from it. Whited out, yes, but I still can remember if afterwards, even if the memory is just a glimpse of the infinite energy that is emptiness.
 
Going to try 5mg tommorow, to learn to control this before I go as high as I did the first time.
 
Yeah sorry, shoulda specified that I use damiana as a carrier herb, I got a shitload laying around that I dont use.
 
i definately feel like 5-MEO-DMT is too much for my brain to handle when smoked, it's like an overload of different thoughts and brain activity, for this reason i don't think i will do it again
 
hello
i´m wondering if it is possible to dissolve 5-meo-dmt in acetone (or another solvent with a low boiling point). then you´d be able to measure out a dose and give the fluid on a glass plate/ mirror where the 5-meo-dmt recrystallizes.
 
Tried 20mg sublingually yesterday, no effect.

5mg will be smoked later today.

To feel the moderate but pleasant sublingual effect:
0. Dissolve 30mg in 2ml of vodka (about 2-3 medicine droperfulls)
1. First use a mouthwash with alcohol & menthol (Listerine or generic copycats) which significantly increases absorption across mucus membranes in the mouth.
2. Hold solution under the tongue or around the gums even as you salivary glands go into overdrive from the alcohol for at least 10mins then swallow (more might absorb in contact with esophageal tissues.)
 
hello
i´m wondering if it is possible to dissolve 5-meo-dmt in acetone (or another solvent with a low boiling point). then you´d be able to measure out a dose and give the fluid on a glass plate/ mirror where the 5-meo-dmt recrystallizes.

If it is freebase then yes, if it is a salt then many or all of them are not soluble.

If you don't know which it is and try and/or it turns out it is a salt then it can be freebased with lye but this yields an equimolar amount of the sodium salt. If you had 5-MeO-DMT HCl you get NaCl which is tablesalt, but if you got something like a citrate or tartrate salt (I would virtually never expect this to be the case if your source is a vendor instead of a friend who for some reason converted it) you get sodium citrate or sodium tartrate. These latter ones might pyrlolyse when you try to smoke the product. But with NaCl this is not a problem since it will not do anything until very very high temperatures.
 
yes, i´ve ordered the free base. but i don´t know if it is stable in (the) solution for a longer time (at least 2-3 month). if i remember correctly, many tryptamines degrade in solutions (only in solutions with water?). but 5-meo-dmt seems to be more stable than other tryptamines (especially the 4-substituited).

the point why i´m asking this is, that my scale isn´t accurate enough to weigh such small doses.

sorry for my bad englisch, i hope you´re able to understand what i´m trying to say^^

thanks so far
 
*the email I emailed my friend, after what now looks like a huge hit of around 100-150 mg of 5meo-dmt*:

About when I did DMT (I was told it was DMT but now know it was 5meo-nn-DMT,) last night, bare with me, trying to explain this is going to be pointless and will only make myself sound foolish, and totally cheesy, but I'll try anyway, maybe you will find it interesting or a laugh or maybe it will bore you. But the best thing you can do is do it yourself, properly:

I don’t think you can do too much. You just do enough to break your head. It’s either broken or not broken, there is no in between. If there is an in between then it’s just your ‘non-broken head’ being a bit trippy.

One long deep inhalation

'Control alt delete exit programme', ~ head breaks open. flipped into an ever changingness, slotted in between vibrations/buzzing/pressure that I was aware off a split second after smoking it (a millisecond just after the pipe morphed) and it was like the buzzing and vibrating made me slip down the crack of a maths answer where it just keeps flipping on for ever. The glitch, the ratio that can’t be held. No order or rhythm.

It was complete annihilation, fast and constantly changing so I had no reference points or anything to hold on to. Annihilation, new awareness/thinking, annihilation, new awareness thinking, annihilation, again and again and so fast that it can’t be processed. Flipping into ever modifying novelty. It feels like a glitch in the universe, that can’t be nailed down. Or the place you go to when you truly ‘let go’ and no longer know yourself.

I could be reasoned into believing (the logic fits) that this is what it will be like when you pop your clogs and exit this reality as DMT is just an exit from reality anyway and when you exit, there is no solid reality, it’s a morphing of all possible realities all the time and it wants to show you all these possible realities and combinations. It isn't all nice and mystical and religious, it’s just relentless and it strips you down until there is nothing and it doesn't matter.

If you were to ask: ‘okay you feel like you exited this reality, so where did you go, what the new reality was like? ’I would answer: It wasn’t specifically a new reality, it was every idea of every possible type of realities and combinations, flipping in and out. It’s like when this familiar/stable reality, which we are all used to, is removed, then it has to go into a ‘save mode’ or ‘sleep mode’ or ‘back up mode’, an alternative, which is unstable and is a bubbling of all possible outcomes and combinations.

It feels like there is machinery in the speed of it, it didn’t let my emotions (at the beginning, when I still had them) catch up. It’s like this is just how it is, forget about emotions and concepts, vantage points and references. Existence is everything, all the time, every possible ‘idea’ and nothing, happening all at the same time in different combinations, it’s like this is obvious, this is everything, there can be no other way, there is no answer because there can’t be a question and it is like it shows you this all at the same time. A massive flash, of infinite possibilities, with no structure or order, in infinite combinations. In the end ‘you’ are not even there so you can’t even hold on to a memory of what it was like.

All you have is some visions and feelings that were echoed to you before you disappeared, just as you are returning. But you can’t put them into words.

It was like my head was a TV and someone were flipping the channels over, but the bastard was doing it too quick and I couldn't quite process what was on. Just when I thought, I could recognise something or have something to grasp the fucker would flip the channel over again.

When I realised there is going to be nothing to hold on to, I remember quickly thinking 'I am scared', (or more like ‘’I am sc…’’) but just before I could end that thought there was no 'I' any more. It was like because I thought of it (the 'I', the ‘self’ the ‘ego’ or whatever you want to call it) it was wiped away, as the new channel that was flipped into had no concept of the 'I' and emotion. ~and that goes for everything. All concepts ended, but not at the same time, some would flip back on, (I think), it was like it needed to experience all possible combinations, at all possible times. Nothing could be nailed down.

Remember this all happened in a flash ~ if a ‘thought’ or anything with which I could focus on 'happened' it was instantly wiped away, because ‘it’ changed so that that ‘thought’ or reference point didn't exit or have any relevance any more, in this new way of looking/thinking (for that moment, in relation to all the other concepts/realities/aesthetics/reference points that where flipping on and off, in that single moment of the many, brief moments), rendering any references and concepts meaningless and description impossible/pointless.

The goal posts kept changing. It flipped and changed so fast, as fast as you could click your fingers, 'click, click, click, click, click, click...' drowning/falling/flipping with nothing to hold on to.

Visually: Pipe morphed, everything vibrated and folded in on itself, reality broke down or swallowed itself, then visions happened (that were only a split second long but getting faster and faster) like a Mandelbrot pattern, zooming into it while pulling out at the same time, then almost just before I got my head round that vision, it flipped into binary, then just as I saw that it flipped into a texture, then just as I saw that, it flipped into something else, then something strange happened, for a split second I think I saw something, it felt alien, it startled me even more than the rest (maybe it was me being briefly aware of the room again, which look unreal), then it just flipped into a feeling or something less concrete, then I zoomed through that and the concept of ‘vision’ didn’t exist anymore and everything was happening to fast and I stopped being journalistic, it went abstract and then I stopped being ‘I’.

So first it went totally weird, then alien then nothing could be nailed down, then there was no ‘I’ to nail it down to anyway. I lost myself; I went to the end point. Maybe I did too much or let myself zoom to the ‘end’ (the end being the ego dissolving into nothing) too quickly, without checking the journey out in between, if that is at all possible. I don’t know.



No emotions or enlightenment or feeling of love etc like if I had taken a drug, nothing like that, no, this isn't a drug, it’s just a 'exit program button'.

When it suddenly ended, I thought – and the room can back into view - ‘oh, hold on a reference point, I suppose that’s nice, but it doesn’t matter, but wasn’t I searching for one of them (reference points) before? Hold on there is an ‘I’, hold on I can feel, hold on what the fuck! What the fuck! What the fuck just happened?!’’

There is no way to prepare for this.

the only ‘fun’ part was the millisecond just before destruction where I looked at the pipe and it changed in front of my eyes with a sound of cellophane wrapping crunching in an alien tinny, echo way (like machinery starting up) ‘’crack, crunch, crunch’ and a thought flashed in me ‘oh its changed, no wait its doesn't stop changing, every things changing, oh my …!'' (just as reality folds in on itself) then all reference points, language is lost or render useless, ~ fear and a wish to hold on to something, ~ then a feeling of returning, going back to the beginning ~ then a total ego death (sleep mode/running with/in/are it) ~ then an echo of that previous wish for something to hold on to and my body jerked ~ and I became aware of it ~ and then I was back. Eyes opened. It took a few moments for this concept of reality to sink in (or maybe I was waiting for it to flip again and I had long given up on trying to process all this information/realities or maybe I had just given up and wasn’t ready to ‘start up’ again), then click! I was back as I realised where I was, brain had kicked back in, I was/I had an ego/existed again, system rebooted or whatever... Did something just happen? Too fast to process.

At the start it didn't quite feel like I was leaving my body, more like I was totally destroyed and moving at an increasing speed. However when I came back it did feel like I bumped back into my body, like when an air-plane touches down, with a quick jerky, bad-dump dump! Sudden! Crazy!

All this happened in 5 minutes or longer, or less, I’m not sure, I don’t know. A flash, where in that flash, time ended.

I did this while quite drunk (I didn’t plan on getting that drunk but I was nervous). I will try this again and maybe I will be able to nail some of it down, but I will only be able to nail ‘things’ down in the transitional period ie just before the beginning and just as it ends. There’s no language for the rest as it is completely alien and therefore nothing to us.


But seeing that pipe change was the maddest thing that has ever happened to me and the rest that followed was really just unmentionable.



It was all too fast, what a ride!

quite fitting really that I first did this on Guy Fawkes night (UK version of 4th July) with the fireworks and bone-fires outside reflecting the inside of my skull

You have to try it!


I tried it again 20 minutes later, (they say don’t as it doesn't work ~ you have to wait an hour) it didn't work. All that happened was my vision started vibrating like it was really trying to flip out - not unlike that shit movie the butterfly effect, where when he concentrates and changes the future and it vibrates until it’s all a blur, it was doing that but not quite making it all the way. That was fun, because I felt like I had some control there, but that was nothing, like looking over the edge but not jumping.

I really should buy a scale. I eye balled it and after reseaching it some, it looked like it could have been about 100-150 mgs, it looked about half the amount in the link below that I put in my 'pipe' and I reckon I inhaled 90% of it.

My friend said it was dmt and was enough for two good hits, 80 English pounds, (it looked the same as the link below), I have no pipe, so I halved it and put it in a foil bowl with a big foil tube (I had a past history [4-5 year addiction] of smoking heroin on foil, and also a history [10-12 month daily habit] of smoking yah-bah (meth-amphetamine pills) like this when I lived in Bangkok, so am expert in frazzing power on foil and inhaling it. I remember it burning great and then talking one huge long inhalation and my lungs didn't even get completely full, and then I was just gone:


5-MeO-DMT Powder
Nice color photo of a 200 mg of 5-MeO-DMT next to a metric ruler for size comparison.
Photo by Anonymous Photographer. © 2003 Erowid.org:
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/show.../5meo_dmt3.jpg
 
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It's now a week after the first time I did 5meo-dmt and I just smoked the residue of the 'bowl' (sober), so it is nowhere near the amount of the first time I did it where I quickly lost all consciousness, where my brain desperately tried to cling onto reality. I'll type and try to describe it, in between, trippy moments/hits, whatever

~ yeah this is something else. It’s just that moment between heart beats, the moment between moments. That is all.....that is enough.

I now see I did a hell of a lot the first time (100-150mg inhaling 80-90% of it) as just the residue here is enough to make me break through, multiple times. The massive amount I did the first time was too much, like a tonne of bricks. Now slowly falling over the edge, with these non-heroic-doses, is fun...nice...I still don't regret, that huge first time though.

inhalation ~ everything comes into sharp focus, then too sharp so it looks alien, the same but not, like the effect mushrooms can have (foil looks mad), then freeze frame, then you’re gone, lost in between the moment, zero time, simple as......


...the only way, to come close to a way, of describing it would be like a looping nitrous hit on a peak of a acid trip, everything is an echo of the previous...but that's just a part of it, maybe the beginning and it’s not the same, its clear and sharper and not ''waa waa waa yy'' like nitrous ~ then, just gone....its not scary, [just do it] (I lamented the physical/normal, in a good way, in a milli-second, with that first heroic dose, these smaller doses are fun. I am getting slight 'moments' of 'zero-time') ~ if there were such a thing as crack LSD this would be it...this is great.

...yeah, when you push yourself to the edge, whiteness creeps into the corners of your vision [like it wants to 'white-out], then you feel the need to close your eyes and curl up, swirly colours - not spectacular, same as the inside of your eye lids, but a little shaper and more domed and textured - then that echo-y, nitrous-y peak on acid-y timeless - ness - zero-time - revelation-y- moment thing-y happens... fun....all accompanied with that body buzzy that peaks when you hit that trippy zero-time - moment, when you feel nothing...this is fun...coming down was like peaking on acid/mushrooms, when everything looks the same but isn't... The dynamics and dimensions of the room and the angles of the objects in it looked, ermmm, not quite right and my hands looked ancient and my skin crawled. Lots of traces when I move my arms and it feels like there is no air in the room, as my arms moved through it a lot more freely, with what feels like less restriction. Tracing my name in the air, from my cigarette, like a sparkler fire -work thing...great fun.

..little emotion at the time, but when you come out of it you become more journalistic and then can attach emotion to it ~ which is easy to do as it’s a trippy 'come down,' (and we all know trippy drugs can help you spout sentimental bullshit - take this trip report for example).

This is so fast, its over in a matter of minutes. FAST_FOOD_LSD, not quite filling. great for these times, where everybody wants everything quick and now. Crack-acid - ''IN STORES NOW, DO IT IN YOUR LUNCH BREAK, SHARE IT WITH A LOVED ONE OR DO TO UNWIND AFTER A LONG DAY ~ BECAUSE YOUR WORTH IT''


Another hit

~it’s a total pull down/into......, no, it feels like an accident, like, i didn’t mean to go this far, and it’s like, toought shiiiit.... starts with a massive body buzz, then is like when you have too many good Extacy pills and your vision vibrates, then it pulls you and everything into itself/yourself............internal, but not HD visual.

Good luck trying to explain this.....forget this post and the writing after this, ...it was an edit anyway.................

Another hit..
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than was a big one, however I am not losing consciousness these times, just pushing it to the edge (but there is a brief moment where I let go, awesome feeling, almost orgasmic, pulling in deeps breaths when peeking, after that long first inhalation breath that just puts you over - wow, nice).
''

.. You experience it - then like trippy - then gone.....was that moment real? Well it wasn’t, it was between this and words......cool



Sorry this maybe will not make sense....funny how things you didn’t expect to be trippy are trippy..i.e. this keyboard



(My only tips being: Begin with a massive heroic dose, then work down, its more fun and rewarding that way. I have zero fear of this substance now after my first dose of around 100-150mg. Also do this straight, on an empty stomach and bladder, just simply for the fact you want little connection to the physical as possible - when doing smaller, non-break-through-white -out doses/hits. )

This is gibberish. Maybe it was a bad idea to post straight on here/ while doing...

God speed space cadets


Good luck
 
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bahmakmak nice descriptions. Every possibility all at once, right. Once I did 3g ground syrian rue seeds followed 45min later by 10mg oral and I DID get total whiteout.... everything became light, AND also was revealed to be flowing with consciousness, and always had been I was just "wearing blinders" so I didn't see it and could only detect my own consciousness... but really it was there all around me the whole time... and I am just a temporary "balloon full of it"... thought I was dying, but had the insight to check myself and realized I was not and stopped the mental ego-panic reaction and just let myself melt into an eternity of everything/nothing that was somehow filled with light and a vague wordless feeling of epic sacredness as well as some sort of "love" that cannot be put into words.

Oral route was slower than smoking so you are better able to comprehend what develops and observe the transition over several minutes, not all one big zap.

Felt sort of like this (view FULL SCREEN in a dark room!):

NAMASTE-5.gif


(NOTE - This is a graphic they used to play at peak psychedelic moments of Dead shows. btw, it's spelling out the letters in Sanskrit for the word "Namaste")
 
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^I'm sure I've read that a MAOI and 5-MeO-DMT is quite dangerous....Just sayin'.
 
Where? Please provide a reference. I've read alot of places about it and don't recall seeing evidence that it is any more dangerous than any other whatever-ahuasca. You just have to keep the dose proper, 10mg or less, and watch the exclusions for short-term reversible MAO-A inhibitors. Of course, with anything so strong, be VERY VERY VERY careful.
 
^Do you have experience with oral 5-MeO-DMT without MAOi's? If so, what was an effective dose for you?
 
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