Where does E in NewZealand come from?

[pillsandthrills]

I assumed that anybody risking large scale importation woudl want to process the powder into pills first so as to up profit margins, however you do make an extremely good point there...the smaller space it would take up and greater ability to conceal would certainly be a possibility in making the importation of raw powder more desireable.

Agree mostly except if they processed it into pills to up their profit margins, why would it then be extracted which was significanlty reduce the profit?

- MDMA powder will not be able to be sold for the same price per gram as when it is processed into pills. Furthermore processing into pills will be cheaper overseas than in NZ. MDMA powder will thus never be imported. (didn't consider stealthier making it more attractive)

- MDMA powder is available in nz, quite widely IF you know the right people. Large scale extraction from pills is unlikely to be going on due to the loss of active content and the high value of mdma, therefore, somebody must be manufacturing it locally.

I had a bit more of a think about this, and good availability of powder could in fact be seen as a sign it is been produced locally. For the reason you stated (availablity) and maybe lack of (large scale?) pill pressing equipment/machines.

MDMA is difficult to produce but even more specialised and harder to get hold of equipment is needed to press it into pills (on a large scale anyway).

Hard to say really, I suppose the only ones who really know are those importing/making it.

As I've been away from NZ for a ocuple of years, would be interested to know roughly what the powder is going for although price discussion not allowed here, someone could PM me but dunno if that is either.

 

[pillsandthrills]

By the way, have you have white stars B4? Or heard of them? They are the only decent ones I've ever had, best by far infact. So it seems, here in nz, we ain't got much choice at all.

Have had the white stars in nz ages ago, but they would be a different batch.

Funny over here in the UK, you meet so many people who say how much better the pills are back home.

I'd say they are definitely better here.

Maybe its because people only used them a few times in NZ and once they came here went crazy and built up a tolerance. Or that they were paying that much for them that they 'believed' that they were good.

 

[Cyberdyne]

I've had piperazine in large quanity's b4, more substance than what was in that red pill, and damn the red pill was ALOT stronger than the piperazine I had, in fact the piperazine was quite mild in comparision. It was a speed bomb no dout, maybe it was METH rather than speed? Whatever it was it made half my tounge go numb, as I had to bite it to share it with a mate.

Perhaps you've had raw bzp before and this one contained bzp and tfmpp which gives a muuchhhhhh stronger feel to it...the initial come on can be overwhelmingly speedy if a high dose...I just cant imagine ANYBODY in their right mind would press enough meth into a pill to give an extremely strong high when ingested orally...it makes no sense whatsoever given the market.
Other stimulants are of course a possibility but seem, also, highly unlikely...a dose as good as you make it sound of actual amphetamine would not fit into even a large pill, as with pseudoephedrine...I suppose ritalin is a possibility but given what thats often being sold for, again, i doubt it.

I think you simply got a piperazine bomb...something like 300 mg's of bzp and 100 mg of tfmpp would give you an EXTREMELY strong speedy effect with medium to low bzp tolerance.

In regards to the white stars tho see the report on pillreports posted by bassfreak on 21 June...easiest way is to search for Auckland in the area field then sort by date

And actually on topic:

PillsandThrills; yeh I think it might be fair to say its impossible for us to tell just by reasoning it out :D Would need to be in the know, but I would say there is at the very least SOME local manufacture going on.

 

[euphorically]

I think you simply got a piperazine bomb...something like 300 mg's of bzp and 100 mg of tfmpp would give you an EXTREMELY strong speedy effect with medium to low bzp tolerance.

Interesting..... But It's anoying to know that I paid top dollar for a bzp pill that cost next to nothing to make, that's the risk you take when you ain't in the know.

The buzz from that red pill only lasted 1-1.5 hours. How much meth would be needed, ingested orally to get a strong rush and how long would it last? These red pills were quite large, over twice the size of a decent x pill.

 

[Cyberdyne]

a point (supposed to be 100 mg's odd) of good meth ingested orally would do that for some people (im not one of them...). Doubtful that any less would to anybody much...if you know the price of a point, do the math...

 

[phase_dancer]

Topic please guys. BZP and related chems have been discussed extensively on other threads. Feel free to bump one of those if you've something to add.


I believe that the public awarenesss that stemmed from the "P" phase of NZ's drug history ultimately resulted in less MDMA being produced in NZ. Producers were initially only interested in supplying the massive market for methamphetamine, which arose at a time when MDMA was yet to reach it's popularity peak. The government response that followed ensured that chemical diversion legislation sort of 'nipped it in bud' so to speak.

I have anecdotes from old friends that imply MDMA was once produced in NZ. I also remember reading of a young PhD student who was caught making MDMA - in Hamilton I think it was. I doubt this was an isolated incident, and imagine that MDMA is still being produced in NZ, as some synthetic routes are completely "over the counter" and NZ will have several species of native plants with a reasonable safrole content. However, like Australia, these local producers are currently only likely to supply a small percentage of the MDMA market in New Zealand.

Importation of illicits into New Zealand has always been considered to be difficult. Many years ago I was fortunate [?] to party in Australia with a world renown rock and roll star. The amount of coke the crew consumed was incredible. When I asked one guy if this was a normal night's coke, he said no, but they were leaving for NZ the next day and would never get the stuff into the country, so they were using it all that night. Lucky me

Methods for concealing drugs like MDMA are numerous. I believe much is transported in liquid form, either as the salt dissolved in water or alcohol containing products, or as the freebase concealed by dissolving in oils, solvents or alcohol containing products. Of course the precursor MDP2P could also be smuggled in a similar manner. But these methods too have their limitations, as detection methods are improving all the time.

 

[Cyberdyne]

I think the most interesting thing in that entire post is the fact that plants can contain safrole. I learn something new every day :D

 

[chugs]

I was once told that allot of it is imported from Asia, yet a few pills I have seen in NZ latley, I have also seen in Europe.

I can see the next news headline

"NZ sheep learning organic chemistry: Now smarter then NewZealanders"

i hope no one has done a sheep joke already

 

[search]

There is some MDMA manufactured locally in NZ. There used to be a lot more, before the gangs turned most of their chefs over to making methamphetamine.

And of course a lot is imported. I'd presume that the reason that the pills in NZ often aren't the same as the pills you see in Oz on pillreports would be that a lot of the pressing is done locally, and, where pre-pressed pills are imported they're entirely seperate shipments from the ones going to Oz. Less risk that way I'd guess...

 

[lil angel15]

I'm pretty sure it is ......edit [...]


Edit lil angel15 - Apologies


Apology accepted; p_d

 

[SlowedLazza]

I live in nz.

I never hear about busting of e labs on the news. There is mostly meth that is being made here.

But then again, any one rember those two dudes (teachers at a school) that got caught making large quantities of E?

 

[search]

I live in nz.

I never hear about busting of e labs on the news. There is mostly meth that is being made here.

But then again, any one rember those two dudes (teachers at a school) that got caught making large quantities of E?

...they bust such a tiny percentage of the labs that are there. Drug Squad's own estimates of their effect on supply are pretty tiny - last figure I heard was well under 5%...

 

[person]

My 5c worth, Ive had pills here+tested of course and have shown up on the australian pill reports a month later. Also tend to find because of such good sites like pillreports/bluelight etc, it doesnt take long for word to get around that a certain pill is 'crap' or not mdma, as for example the yellow playstations that are all over NZ atm are very simliar to the beige a's that circulated for a while. Ive just had a pill with the letters CS on it+also last week with the word V on it (short for versace?? or can of v??) its the same as anywhere else/any other country..

Edit, not to forget that the famous celebrity caught with 10 pills, got off with nothing+just a $400 fine?.

'one rember those two dudes (teachers at a school) that got caught making large quantities of E?' theyre the ones that provided the red star that circulated in NZ at the time.

'Methods for concealing drugs like MDMA are numerous. I believe much is transported in liquid form, either as the salt dissolved in water or alcohol containing products, or as the freebase concealed by dissolving in oils, solvents or alcohol containing products. Of course the precursor MDP2P could also be smuggled in a similar manner. But these methods too have their limitations, as detection methods are improving all the time.'
Also suspended in ethanol. A known fact among users here in wellington, alot of class a+b is exchanged for ice via internationally, also the amount of high quality rock cocaine circulates alot, just a thought..

Edit 2. If anyone else saw the doco on the fiji warehouse meth lab, all chems were freighted from Auckland, hence why they got busted, customs tagged the shipment, just as they flew in cooks..

 

[phase_dancer]

Slightly off topic but as an ex kiwi, I'm interested in hearing some estimates from those who take MDMA in preference to the legal piperazines.

What sort of percentage of those attending clubs and raves etc actually prefer MDMA over the legals? Supporters of BZP and TFMPP tend to claim most people prefer the legals but that sort of surprises me.

Of those clubbers, ravers doofers etc who do prefer MDMA, what percentage are usually on the drug when they're partying? (as opposed to those who would be if they could obtain it)

What I'm wondering is whether there simply isn't enough of a market to make it worthwhile for crime bosses to produce MDMA locally.

 

[sydkiwi]

phase_dancer: from what I've heard from mates who still live over there most people prefer the real thing (aka E) over the herbal legals (tho I hear the new one on the market called ease I think is supposed to be very close to in effects as e). But cost (they get ripped off big time) and quality of gear going arond forces most to find ways to make the real thing last longer or reach for the legals or a mixture of both.

 

[Bostonsox]

I asked a senior Customs official about the source of our ecstasy. It comes direct from Europe. It does not come from Australia (I had assumed so, considering the price knock-up, but he was adament about this).

Regarding the manufacture of ecstasy in New Zealand, there hasn't been much evidence of that. It's hard to get the precursors without attracting some kind of attention, and in all my years with some kind of interest in the drug scene I've only known of a small operation in Rotorua a few years ago that made crap capsules, and then there was a bust in Napier a few years ago that could've made about 50,000 pills. It was a local highschool teacher that was making it!

 

[phase_dancer]

Thanks sydkiwi, so does anyone know what substance/s are in ease?

 

[MattPsy]

It is an entirely new chemical compound, invented by Stargate International.
EDIT: Note - the compound itself is unknown, and is being patented. This is to prevent what happened with BZP. Unregulated, unsafe sale leading to some unpleasant experiences for some, and irresponsible usage by the fucktards out there.

It is intended as a replacement for MDMA. Not like BZP, which was intended for a replacement for methamphetamine ("P") use, to help people get off it.

And please don't call BZP products "herbals", they are anything BUT herbal. BZP is 1-benzylpiperazine, a synthetic compound.

 

[BilZ0r]

Asia, all reports from customs lead one to think this.

While some MDMA may be made in New Zealand, it is undoubtabley a tiny amount, and sperodically. While distiallation steps are easy, any attempt to purchase chemicals for amination will get you visisted rapidly. I know NZ customs, unless you're getting chemicals repackaged in another country, they're not getting through customs.

 

[phase_dancer]

attempt to purchase chemicals for amination will get you visisted rapidly

All available via OTC products. From a drag racing additive that can be used directly (Amine insitu formation) or making the desired alkylamine from certain fuel tablets, or the well known HCOH and ammonium salt method....

Once upon a time, the most desired amine was impossible to obtain. But the old literature synth finds by Eleusis some ten years ago (Rhodium archives) now mean it would have to be considered one of the easiest to precure amines for anyone wanting to remain completely out of range of watchful eyes.

The starting material for MDMA would probably prove the biggest challenge, probably because local safrole containing species are not well known. However, there's likely to be several indigenous species that contain reasonable levels, so if word ever did get out and there was a market worthy of the effort required I'd say it could one day happen.