as a chemist i don't take chemists word for granted due to the fact each chemist only has their area of expertise a physical chemist can not just start going on about high level organic chemistry. nor would you expect a organic chemist to go and calculate all the quantum energy levels of a chemical system on a computer.
I was one who was against the mehmdma but now i see its acutally true after covid and enchorchat busts all the good supply is quickly drying up and mdma that still tests postiive on kits does not produce said typical effects of heavy gurning eye rolling extreme love unity and connection with all things.
And i was the motherfucker who was getting good product up til this point trolling the shit out of these threads since 2019. But now i admit its true its just like how idiots who try make LSD never get it right and make a inferior less smooth product same applies to mdma.
TripSitter, it's massively unfortunate that you're now personally knowledgeable of MehDMA. And, I appreciate the stark contrast of then vs now as it relates to the case that we are making here. I wish you good MDMA in the future, as I do for us all
you have summarised what YOU wanted to include and disregarded anything that didn't fit YOUR ideas. I wasted time looking for the evidence ruling out the obvious causes until I realised why they weren't included in your summary...because they don't exist!
you have taken other people's work and reinterpreted it to confirm what you believe. please tell me about some "barioisomer derivatives" present as native impurities from new mdma synth which have highly potent mdma inhibiting properties.
your at home trials and what you claim to have witnessed in others don't carry more water than the drugsdata tests. why do you mention the thread is only for mdma tested by one of these labs when you think they produce insufficient results? you really don't seem to want an answer unless it fits with what you have already decided is true.
1) I'm personally - and I know indigoaura is, too - 100% supportive and wanting of a list that compiles the evidence against our case. In fact, indigoaura has compiled a "most likely issues if not MehDMA" list, if I'm not mistaken. Even better would be a compilation of all of the theories against our case, the amount of posters that have argued against us, the percentage spread between various theories proposed, etc. However, a lack of such an intimately detailed report does not mean we are disregarding evidence presented against our case. In addition, generally, the evidence presented against our case is not quite evidence, and disregards our many combined experiences in one or numerous ways, effectively nullifying the value of said evidence. I and many others have brainstormed, multiple times, the potential scenarios that eliminate MehDMA and instead implicate individual, or groups of, users as the cause of poor MDMA experiences, also.
2) How has indigo misinterpreted research study evidence of MDMA byproducts that inhibit various aspects of the MDMA experience? In academia, it is generally accepted that to make or rebut a claim, one must provide evidence for their assertion. It also also easier to criticize and condemn than it is to brainstorm and hypothesize. So, then, please present evidence for your (strong) claim that indigoaura is maliciously and inaccurately mis- and reinterpreting other people's work.
You do not have the credibility built, neither through previous engagement nor presently added value, to come into our thread, throw shit around like a monkey, and then be accepted as if our thread is now not covered in shit.
3) If you don't understand the reasoning behind our continuous reiteration of a specific focus on reagent and lab tested MDMA, then I don't know what to say really, besides being unnecessarily rude. Your third point generally doesn't make sense, and my guess is that's the case because you seem, to me, to be misunderstanding some pieces of our hypothesis as well as mixing various points. Ideally I would write exactly where I see the disconnect, and, I don't have the time for that.
Please do continue posting if you're interested in getting to the bottom of this (including the answer being all of us experiencing a mass delusion). But, only do so if you are willing and able to make solid, logical posts explaining your position (and your position can account for our experiences - the main issue with most evidence presented here against our case is that it does not account for one or many aspects of our experiences, as I mentioned in point 1).