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Xorkoth

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I know this is a drug site. I take it for a harm reduction site. Which I take to mean reducing harm, taken to its logical extension would be no harm. I don't object to taking psychedelics responsibly. What I object to is putting drug use before faith while continually spouting pseudo-religious nonsense.

Job was a suffering servant, Isaiah was a suffering servant, Jesus Christ the begotten son of God was a suffering servant (and more). You can't appreciate Jesus's teachings without understanding Job.
I object to you demeaning my experiences because they don't line up with yours, and trying to characterize me as some sort of crazy drug fiend. At least I arrived at my beliefs through personal experience and not through indoctrination to someone else's belief structure. At least I repeatedly state that I don't really know and could be wrong, and that you should believe what you want.

High and mighty Christians give the rest of you a bad name.

I just don't understand why you have to try to demean me and my beliefs because I don't agree with your interpretation of the story of Job, and furthermore to suggest my use of psychedelics is irresponsible, it's not cool. I'm not "putting drug use before faith", I just don't share your faith. If I shared your faith and I was taking psychedelics and fretting about how it was getting in the way of my faith, then I'd be putting drug use before faith.
 

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I object to you demeaning my experiences because they don't line up with yours, and trying to characterize me as some sort of crazy drug fiend. At least I arrived at my beliefs through personal experience and not through indoctrination to someone else's belief structure. At least I repeatedly state that I don't really know and could be wrong, and that you should believe what you want.

High and mighty Christians give the rest of you a bad name.

I just don't understand why you have to try to demean me and my beliefs because I don't agree with your interpretation of the story of Job, it's not cool. I'm not "putting drug use before faith", I just don't share your faith. If I shared your faith and I was taking psychedelics and fretting about how it was getting in the way of my faith, then I'd be putting drug use before faith.
I agree with you on that
I'm an atheist and if ppl believe in heaven my take on it is if your not a pice if shit and half way decent person prob go to heaven, but like I said selfe help book, some ppl need religion in their life, ppl are scard of a life without meaning, and a lot of ppl with mental illness gravitate towards religion,
I'm no better than any one " we're all equally worthless"
 

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I object to you demeaning my experiences because they don't line up with yours, and trying to characterize me as some sort of crazy drug fiend. At least I arrived at my beliefs through personal experience and not through indoctrination to someone else's belief structure. At least I repeatedly state that I don't really know and could be wrong, and that you should believe what you want.

High and mighty Christians give the rest of you a bad name.

I just don't understand why you have to try to demean me and my beliefs because I don't agree with your interpretation of the story of Job, and furthermore to suggest my use of psychedelics is irresponsible, it's not cool. I'm not "putting drug use before faith", I just don't share your faith. If I shared your faith and I was taking psychedelics and fretting about how it was getting in the way of my faith, then I'd be putting drug use before faith.
If after the opiate addiction, the broken marriage, totaling your car while drunk driving, a suspended license, drug packages intercepted by customs, and a house that may or may not be habitable, if after all that, you want to be some kind of gnostic psychedelic warrior, dispensing trip reports to the acolytes, then God bless you, go for it.

As for Job: the interpretation I gave is the meaning the author intended when he wrote it, and how its been understood for centuries, millennia.

I won't be cheering on the next drug report, there's something about that much drug use, that makes me think its not appropriate to congratulate you for it.
 

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...doesn't that mean it's fine - even good - for us to sin?
If we don't sin then he died for nothing.
I'd say that one has to sin to be forgiven for sins, so yes -- also I think He/She/They/It and/or Nature have bigger fish to fry than what people do with their cocks & clits, have more or less no opinion on psychoactives, many of which naturally occur, so sinning to have something to be forgiven may not be as cathartic and fun as the Manichaeans and various antinomians down to the present day may have figured, unless, of course, one is one of those people who go to orgies and lie to their spouse about it -- the lying is what the VII. Commandment is about -- or get such a thrill from shoplifting so you do it all the time . . . or your hand slipped and you carved an idol . . .
 

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I'd say that one has to sin to be forgiven for sins, so yes -- also I think He/She/They/It and/or Nature have bigger fish to fry than what people do with their cocks & clits, have more or less no opinion on psychoactives, many of which naturally occur, so sinning to have something to be forgiven may not be as cathartic and fun as the Manichaeans and various antinomians down to the present day may have figured, unless, of course, one is one of those people who go to orgies and lie to their spouse about it -- the lying is what the VII. Commandment is about -- or get such a thrill from shoplifting so you do it all the time . . . or your hand slipped and you carved an idol . . .
Let's not forget that opiates also naturally occur! People often say that about psychedelics and cannabinoids, but it's worth noting that raw opium, codeine and morphine are all naturally occur too.
 

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Let's not forget that opiates also naturally occur! People often say that about psychedelics and cannabinoids, but it's worth noting that raw opium, codeine and morphine are all naturally occur too.
And mammalian -- including human -- bodies naturally make not only endorphins and related substances, but actual morphine, codeine, dihydromorphine, hydromorphone, and oxymorphol, in addition to possibly making levorphanol and its racaemic parent drug, basically levorphanol + DXO, and perhaps heroin too . . . I wonder about benzodiazepines and some others too . . . .
 

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I speculate that at the end of the road we become our own final judge or executioner.

In realms beyond we will be treated acording to the merits of our souls, based on our own knowledge of goodness, and how much we actually lived up to it.

In this sense, Gautama Siddhartha achieved enlightment--freedom from rebirth in the cycle of Samsara--based on his own achievments of heart and soul, and on things as simple as not letting lust or greed or ambition or violence pass through the mind undected and unobserved.
 

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U should lose faith in God because the nonsensical bullcrap far outweighs the
thou shalt not steal or thou shalt not whatever morals that any decent nice human being does anyway.the silly nonsense should be the reason.
I've seen many decent human beings steal. Many decent human beings acting agressive towards one another. Many decent human beings becoming slaves to their addictions or lust.

I dont think we are as good as we think we are and we actually have very little love to give, we're all just after our own security and pleassure-- factually in are actual lives this is true.

For those who realize this they can learn to become love through realizing the truth, and truth is what god speaks--god is life, god is you, not just some conceptual character of christianity or any other religion. God is as real as consciouness--and by this I mean real enough to notice but to ephimeral to hold down and look at.
 

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I love it when ppl use god Jesus and
"the truth" in the same sentence.
I've repeatedly noticed in many subjects, that the more someone talks about "the truth" the more likely it is to be bullshit.

Presumably because people who are inclined to have an accurate understanding are more likely to talk about opinions and evidence, and not expect to be convincing just labeling their words "the truth".

Whereas people who constantly use the word truth are more likely to be people who have adopted some particular belief and elevated it to be beyond question, and so speak in very absolute terms.
 

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I've repeatedly noticed in many subjects, that the more someone talks about "the truth" the more likely it is to be bullshit.

Presumably because people who are inclined to have an accurate understanding are more likely to talk about opinions and evidence, and not expect to be convincing just labeling their words "the truth".

Whereas people who constantly use the word truth are more likely to be people who have adopted some particular belief and elevated it to be beyond question, and so speak in very absolute terms.
That's an extremely accurate assessment of it
 

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I've repeatedly noticed in many subjects, that the more someone talks about "the truth" the more likely it is to be bullshit.

Presumably because people who are inclined to have an accurate understanding are more likely to talk about opinions and evidence, and not expect to be convincing just labeling their words "the truth".

Whereas people who constantly use the word truth are more likely to be people who have adopted some particular belief and elevated it to be beyond question, and so speak in very absolute terms.
qft

also applies to many other topics - one thing I particularly notice about this forum in general is the sheer unadulterated authority people tend to speak with
 

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I've repeatedly noticed in many subjects, that the more someone talks about "the truth" the more likely it is to be bullshit.

Presumably because people who are inclined to have an accurate understanding are more likely to talk about opinions and evidence, and not expect to be convincing just labeling their words "the truth".

Whereas people who constantly use the word truth are more likely to be people who have adopted some particular belief and elevated it to be beyond question, and so speak in very absolute terms.
Jess I feel your assesment is a little unfair and mean.

Truth is an understanding which appears in all philosophy. When Socrates speaks of truth he isnt self righteous, he's referring to something that is the aim of philosophy.

What are your guys favorite philosopher? You do understand philosophy has no scientific evidence, right? Its based on feeling and experience, what is known as knowledge, wisdom.

People who have an acurate understanding of things rely on oppinions? Thats not a very wise things.

You should rely on facts, the truth. I am not talking about anything crazy.

We are gonna die--thats a truth. Its philosophically correct. Even if you say, but do our spirits die? Thats a whole other question, but your body here actually drops dead and you die. Thats a fact. So being a fact it is a true statement to say we are going to die.

Its very simple... I understand I am not a great communicator of ideas, but they come from the heart and I only say them cause its what I have seen

I've seen and felt things thay are divine. im not trying to fool anyone, ive seen the beauty of the circle of life, of the divine nature of reality, and it took me a lot of years of learning to do so. I'

Then again its always sad because I could be talking to a meth or heroin addict who sleeps in a car and jacks off all day to weird porn and smoked and drinks and doesnt call his mom...

And I live a divine life. I do the right thing and I love people. I give everyone the gift of my smile and the openness of my heart. I work, go home and read literature. I take psychedelics and see something that looks a lot like heaven, its hard but it is very rewarding and you learn a lot.

Ive noticed that on forums the oppinion on life of a person who lives a good life and the oppinion on life of a person who lives a bad life are treated as equal when in real life they arent.

You Jess are the mod of a drug site and take hard drugs, and dracula acid is a troll who writes short insulting sentences on a drug forum a lot and also takes hard drugs.


it isnt really fair in that sense to talk about virtue or the how purity of the heart can unite one to God, because I am talking about virtue to someone who is a drug addict or sex addict or a bad person, and obviously they wont know virtue.

Im not saying you are bad people, but you see the point? You could be, and yet our oppinions would weight the same?

In real life it isnt like that. People would evidently see that our lives and personalities play a great deal into what our level of understanding would be.
 
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It also sounds as though you have a holier than thou thing going on.makes u come across as a douchebag
 

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I dont want to be insulting at all @draculic acid69 My intention is in fact the one you understood and felt; to say it as it is. That is a correct observation on your part.

I'm not better than you cause Im not addicted to hard drugs, I'm just living a happier and healthier life. This should be obvious to any sane person. So please dont re frame the world as if taking hard drugs is normal and healthy and I am holier than thou simply because I take care of myself.

And if you are in that obscurity and insanity of addiction, I dont expect you to be nice, in fact I sort of would expect you to be as you are; very small vocabulary, always insulting sentences, and never any real thoughts or reasoning points.

Some here like Wilson Wilson for example, you know is into hard drugs and stuff, but comes off as honest, nice, and strings thoughts and reasoning points together.

My point is not to make people stuck in ruts feel worse about themselves. we all know that we shouldnt be hurting ourselves and we all know we need recovery.

I for one know its a stupid thing to waste my time on a forum talking to people twice or thrice my age who have very little knowledge to offer me. Yet I do it. I too get into dumb and stupid patterns and habits.

So I am not better than you, please dont say that I am cause its not true.

But my point was clear ; it takes a certain virtue of character to understand virtue. You have to walk the walk.

Sorry I had to bring up your personal life as an example, I know its striking and abrassive, but I dont like that you act as if our minds and lives are the same when they arent, and that I have to accept your dark and grim idea of what reality is cause if not I am a wu wu, mystical person who is selling snake oil. I think your ideas (or lack of) are directly corelated to your life and what you do with it.

Because, what is your favorite philosopher?

Ah, so i could have read 100 philosophers and you none and yet our oppiniona weight the same ?

Thats silly, sir.
 
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LordFran

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qft

also applies to many other topics - one thing I particularly notice about this forum in general is the sheer unadulterated authority people tend to speak with
This could also mean any person or thing they say that I dont like = authorative.

The old calling anyone you dont agree with 'fascist' technique, nice!
 

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If he died for our sins, I think we gonna need a second, third or maybe even eighth ‘coming’ to sort this shit out.

He thought corruption was rife then, he’d be regretting that ‘sacrifice’ now
 

draculic acid69

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Lord Fran you don't know anything about me yet you assume you do.Anton Lavey is my fav philosopher.but u won't like that.
Again your backhanded insulting makes u come across as a douchebag.
 
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