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Constructive ways to help the world

Raz

Raz

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I got thinking about this from reading the thread about the Nike competition. I was going to just post a reply in that thread, but my reply's not really ABOUT the competition and I didn't want to assrape the dude's thread anymore...

But something nezo said got me thinking....boycotting companies with bad work practices is really not a very effective way of dealing with them. The people who work for them for fuckall dollars a day may have the most sucky job in the world, but it's the only job they have. We boycott Nike, Nike stops making shoes, the factories close down. And the people working there are without a job at all. So what's another way to show your disapproval?

That's what this thread's about....anyone with creative ideas for how to actually do something constructive, post away. And it's not just Nike-bashing....consider this the Official Save The World thread...it's plurtastic. :)

I'll start by posting a few links which are really informative and might get people's brains ticking....of course this could all blow over and maybe nobody actually gives a fuck, but what the hell...it was either this or I start a thread about the purple stuff in whiteboy's shoes... ;)

Nikewatch


Your ecological footprint (I think I might have posted this link before, but it's worth putting up again..)

--Raz--
 
i'm gunna give tranceplant a plug here. its a nice consept combining a low impact doof in a nice bush setting with enviromental projects, primarily tree planting. it gets the local shire and dnre onside which can help with permits etc. but more importantly is a very effective proactive enviromental organiseation, which incidentally is still fully funded by subscribers and fund raising events.

olivia newton john said each person who owns a car owes the enviroment 17 trees a year!
 
^ Olivia Newton John! Wow what an authority :)

Personally I will continue to boycott Nike... And I know I will not put those poor third world people out of a job, in which they get whipped for making mistakes (or made to run laps around the warehouse floor) and work 14 hours days for sweet fuck all, because not many people care. My boycott won't change a fucking thing, but it makes me feel better...

I've linked to this plenty of times before but www.parecon.org outlines a workable (in my mind) alternative to capitalism...
 
Raz said:
I got thinking about this from reading the thread about the Nike competition. I was going to just post a reply in that thread, but my reply's not really ABOUT the competition and I didn't want to assrape the dude's thread anymore...
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Mmm I had to bite back some nasty Nike comments in that thread (only just keeping it in now, all I can say is GRRRR)

I really like http://adbusters.org/home/ it’s all about the bullshit, hypnotic effect that advertising has on people. It rips off over sold images in marketing to get its point across.
 
I've just come across this on SMH. Now, THIS is the kind of thing that really gets my goat, and makes me sad. How the fuck do they think TRADING can justify killing endangered animals, just so they can make more "fur coats" or whatever the fuck they will be using the animals skin for... What i want to know, is how would a normal person like me, go about having a '"say" on this kind of issue. How can we make a difference? Which groups?

The Bush Administration is proposing far-reaching changes to conservation policies that would allow hunters, circuses and the pet industry to kill, capture and import animals on the brink of extinction in other countries.

Giving Americans access to endangered animals, officials said, would feed the gigantic US demand for live animals, skins, parts and trophies, and generate profits that would let poor nations pay for conservation of the remaining animals and their habitats.

This and other proposals that pursue conservation through trade would, for example, allow American trophy hunters to kill the endangered straight-horned markhor in Pakistan; license the pet industry to import the blue fronted Amazon parrot from Argentina; permit the capture of endangered Asian elephants for US circuses and zoos; and partially resume the trade in African ivory. No US endangered species would be affected.

Conservation groups counter that killing or capturing even a few animals is hardly the best way to protect endangered species, and say the policies cater to individuals and businesses that profit from animal exploitation.


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"It's a very dangerous precedent to decide that wildlife exploitation is in the best interest of wildlife," said Adam Roberts, a senior research associate at the non-profit Animal Welfare Institute, an advocacy group for endangered species.

The latest proposal involves an interpretation of the Endangered Species Act that deviates radically from the course followed by Republican and Democratic administrations since president Richard Nixon signed the act in 1973. The law established broad protection for endangered species, most of them not native to America, and in effect prohibited trade in them.

Kenneth Stansell, assistant director for international affairs at the US Fish and Wildlife Service, said there was a growing realisation that the Endangered Species Act gave poor countries no incentive to protect dying species. Allowing American hunters, circuses and the pet industry to pay countries to take fixed numbers of animals from the wild would fund conservation programs for remaining animals, he said.

Such trade was already open to hunters, pet importers and zoos in other Western countries, US officials said. The idea was supported by poor countries that were home to the endangered species and would benefit from the revenue, they said.

Animal welfare advocates question the logic of the new approach, saying that countries and groups that stand to profit will be in charge of determining how many animals can be killed or captured. They warn that opening the door to legal trade will allow poaching to flourish.

The Washington Post

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/10/12/1065917278878.html?from=storyrhs
 
adbusters does indeed rule :)

and i *do* think boycotting (if done in that kind of way) *can* help - education is the key, and if i can inform other people (not in that preachy-unwashed-hippy kinda way though :)) of my viewpoint and perhaps convince them that getting paid in the "cents per hour" category isn't a good thing, then maybe nike will eventually be fucked over enough to reconsider how they treat their workers. of course, that's a little idealistic, but wtf else can i do save going and directly enforcing my will...

good thread raz :)
 
I like to do some small things that, IMHO, do a little bit to change things. I don't think you have to do something huge to make a difference. For example, I work in a huge hospital, and it is hard to find your way around. If someone asks me to help them find something or someone, if I can spare a second, I will go out of my way to help them. I could just say "head that way" but I try not to. I figure if you can make someones life easier for a few minutes, that's an achievement.
 
^^^ for sure!

i think doing simple things like being positive and smilig at people on the street and being polite to strangers etc makes the world a better place...think about it , if you are feeling down and a complete stranger smiles at you don't you feel better?

heal the world with love i say :)

boycotting companies that only cause damage and are all about greed does help too imo as there are less and less people supporting it. I'm not an angel though in this regard, i do what i can but sometimes i still buy things i shouldnt.

Don't litter!!! fuck i hate this!!! as my son says "my world is not a dump, i live here too"

keep the world beautiful materilistically and emotionally and spread some pixie dust ;)
 
lostpunk5545 said:
Personally I will continue to boycott Nike... And I know I will not put those poor third world people out of a job, in which they get whipped for making mistakes (or made to run laps around the warehouse floor) and work 14 hours days for sweet fuck all, because not many people care. My boycott won't change a fucking thing, but it makes me feel better...
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yeah, useful. And all the other shoe manufacturers, yeah, all of them, that produce shoes in 3rd world countries? What are you doing about them? Nike is just the whipping boy... they're all as guilty as each other. Read between the lines! If you boycott KFC for mistreating chickens, you better believe that Red Rooster are in there too. While you're at it, boycott McDonald's as well (where do I start with them!?!?!).. their packaging will do as a start, completely disposable and non-recycled. They don't have ANY recycling in their stores.... add Wendys, Hungry Jacks and every other fucker you can think of. They're all up to their necks in it mate. don't believe they're not! You might as well boycott anyting larger than your friggin corner store, you know?

your fast food eating choices are now vegies, fruit and lentils... yeah.

anyways, to get back that fresh air that those 17 trees will put out for your car (thanks Livvie), go to www.greenfleet.gov.au I think?

If you wanna help individuals... www.amnesty.org , they do good work and they fight for human rights, a good thing to protect I reckon...

and instead of sponsoring one child, how about sponsoring a hwole community.? You don't get a glossy photo or handwritten leters in their blood but more than 93% of the dosh actually GETS to where it's supposed to.... good people at CARE : www.care.gov.au

all I can think of right now.

peace.
 
onetwothreefour said:
and i *do* think boycotting (if done in that kind of way) *can* help - education is the key, and if i can inform other people (not in that preachy-unwashed-hippy kinda way though :)) of my viewpoint and perhaps convince them that getting paid in the "cents per hour" category isn't a good thing, then maybe nike will eventually be fucked over enough to reconsider how they treat their workers. of course, that's a little idealistic, but wtf else can i do save going and directly enforcing my will...
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Dude, that way more eloquently said what I meant to...I don't believe in the well-meaning but basically counter-productive boycott, where you pick one company (ie:Nike) and stand outside their store screaming at people that they're evil for working there and so on....but I do support just not buying their products, and explaining why that choice is made. I think I've been incredibly fortunate to have met the kind of people and mixed in the cultures that I have, because it never ceases to amaze me how many people there are who are my age who have no idea that the world isn't all like THEIR world.

Anyway, also thanks to people for supporting this thread, and in the interests of such, I'll also give a nod to Oxfam Community Aid Abroad . I used to work for these guys and they kind of suck to work for, but they do a lot of good stuff in the world. :)

Oh, and if you're not the kind of person who either has money or you don't feel comfortable throwing money at charities but you still feel strongly about this kind of stuff...get involved on a more local or fun level. I love the tranceplant idea, that rocks...

Peace

--Raz-- :)
 
Raz said:

Oh, and if you're not the kind of person who either has money or you don't feel comfortable throwing money at charities but you still feel strongly about this kind of stuff...get involved on a more local or fun level. I love the tranceplant idea, that rocks...

Peace

--Raz-- :)
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Excellent point to make raz. I think a lot of people, who are broke, or just get by on their pay checks, think they cant actually do anything because of that fact. But, we can! But i think everyone likes to THINK they would like to help, and talk about how they hate the state of the world, but they are so comfortable in their chair, sitting on their little commercialised consumerised ass, they think just thinking about helping or thinking about the issues, equates to actually making a difference. HUMANS ARE LAZY. Thats what it comes down to.

We really need to just get out there, volunteer etc. Damn.
 
Jaded raver & activist speaks out.

But the new dunk series look so damn cool!
Coolness versus caring hmmm......

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HOw obvious that most of the people on this forum are regular ecstasy users?

I have my own ideas on saving the world but i'd need a book to be able to write it down and i'd need to win the lotto twice to get the funding. I don't tihnk my plan is getting off the ground any time soon....

Nice Tits
 
Nice Tits said:
HOw obvious that most of the people on this forum are regular ecstasy users?



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Well i for one am NOT a regular ecstasy user, or even a user, so dont put me in that friggin' generalisation "mate".
 
the other day when i went over the gateway bridge i was in a good mood and had extra change so i payed the persons toll behind me as well. shoulda seen the look on the persons face when they drove past. priceless. made me feel good too.
 
^i love that kinda stuff :):)

blood donation's one that everyone who can, should do. because i'm scared shitless of needles, so if i can, anyone can :):) haemophiliacs are naturally excluded here.

you feel better than you do when you just give money to an organisation too.
 
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