Do You Think Ecstasy Should Be Legalised???

[silverfucked]

I got into this topic on this thread... Anyway, do you think ecstasy should be legalised?? Why? Heres my thoughts:




Alcohol was made legal and now kills more people then all other substances combined.. Can you imagine how it would be if the whole population could get ecstasy whenever they want?? How much more the substance would be abused.. At that point I would think that a transendental experience would be a joke.. Youd have people destroying their brains because they just want to get fucked up, are totally uneducated, and think they can take pills everyday, just like they can drink everyday.. Afterall its legal, right?? I mean the government wouldnt give us something that would harm us..

I dont believe that ecstasy should be legalised.. Keeping it illegal weeds out alot of irresponsible people, believe or not.. Sure people are irresponsible with it today, but not to the global extent that it would be.. People who use MDMA stupidly today can blame no one for the shit it will get them in later.. Its illegal to begin with. Legalising it is gonna open up a whole new can of legal worms..

Most peoples first drug is alcohol. The fact that its legal makes some people snatch it up and try it without any premeditation... Something as powerful as ecstasy should not be bought at walgreens. You have to look at the total picture... Legalising ecstasy would do more harm than good.. Sure some people that ecstasy would help may never get it. But its also keeping a hell of alot of compulsive, go down to the store and get something to get fucked up quick, kinda people from ruining there lives.. <--- Alot of these people only stick to alcohol cuz they lack the balls or beliefs to do illegal drugs, much less find them. MDMA would be a joke and have no sacred value anymore.. I make this assumption by just looking at all the other great things american culture has fucked up.

Most people who want to do ecstasy, will find it... Some may not,but they are kinda taking a sacrifice for the team, the team being everyday america.. People who want it will recognize that void in their life, and find it... At 14 I knew exactly what I wanted, but the thought of drugs never crossed my mind.. 2 years later I found the answer after I dropped that sweet pill...

Ecstasy is a great substance.. Those who need or want it should seek it out.. Its not hard to find, all it takes is a little devotion to know the right people.. I personally think that that "little devotion" should be a minimal requirement.. Not something you pass in the aisle and pick up with some liquor just cuz american commercialism makes it sound so great and harmless.

Sure friends will get a user to take pills for the first time without any previous desire.. Not only is this the excpetion, not the rule, but the fact of it being illegal still weeds out alot who just arent looking for a drug experience.. Sure legalising will purify it.. This IMO is still the lesser of two evils.. MDMA is simply too powerful to let loose on the public..

I think weed should be legal. In fact MDMA should be legal FOR THERAPUTIC USE.. However sadly, I doubt it could contained to that.

 

[lsdod]

we supposably live in free countries. but your points are valid. Decriminalisation, as some places are with pot is the way to go i'd say.
For those who don't know this means its still illegal, but the same way its illegal to J-walk. You're caught with a few E's, you cop a $1000 fine say, but no record. To many young people are receiving serious criminal charges, for in all fairness, having a bit of fun. Large amounts, ie; trafficking of 10000 pills, would however still incur serious crim charges.

 

[alucard]

Personally, I don't think ecstasy should be legalized.

Ecstasy is fine being in the status that it is currently in, in my opinion. It's hard to say what would happen if it was legalized, but interesting to imagine. Most people wouldn't appreciate the drug for what it is, and entering it into the mainstream would just be unnecessary. Plus, going on the search for the shit is half the fun in itself. Hoping that you didn't get bunk shit is half the fun. If it were to be legalized, none of that would happen anymore. If you really want to do ecstasy, you'll find it. I just don't see any point in it being legal.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[bigmick]

The main reason I would like to see it legalised is quality control. Imagine if could buy a pill and know pretty much exactly what was in it. For that matter, pharmaceutical companies would probably offer a wide range of pills of varying strengths and components (mdma, mda etc) and you could pick and choose the type of roll you wanted. Being able to buy consistently clean, and reliable pills would be a big incentive for legalisation to me.
But then again - theres always the whole "Pan Pharmaceuticals" incident.

 

[hyperspeeding]

hmmm...

In response to

always the whole "Pan Pharmaceuticals" incident.

your take a 'Pan' gamble now whenever you swallow the little pill... thats how it works, you gamble and more often than not you win, but there is an ever growing number of losers, and scince there is no 'house' (to stick with gambling), it is your own fault for losing. I reckon it should stay as is... I cant imagine being able to walk into a supermarket and see a sign saying 'Ecstasy - Aisle 10' that would be plain weird

I think people need to appreciate something before you can gain full satisfaction, which is why it should stay illegal. Think of your alcohol, people drink it underage and, now a days ill admit they dont but they used to, gain satisfaction, realise its potential - i learned like most the hard way, drink to much, throw your guts up all over the street then feel like shit the next morning. I now, at 18 am legal to drink and have an appreciation, i dont go out to get trashed and stop when i know ive had enough, same with Ecstasy, people need to know 'it' otherwise it will be abused as silverfucked said, people just to afraid to confront reality having one more route to escape.

Keep it out of pharmacies and out of supermarkets, keep it off the street for christ sake, ecstasy is bad like alcohol but we still consume imagining that we are safe, everytime increases the risk, and every risk is another notch against your bodies life. Im not trying to piss off all the people who love ecstasy just i reckon that if more people visited places like this then ecstasy would return to its roots, and be a thing that is reserved for special occasions, like how anciets used alcohol and opiates (im thinking poppies and the greeks)... but im just rambling... and really think that people need to be more careful and that the first step is knowing and bieng aware. Thanks Bluelight.

-Hyper

 

[TheDEA.org]

Alcohol was made legal and now kills more people then all other substances combined..

Alcohol doesn't come close to the death rates from tobacco.

Can you imagine how it would be if the whole population could get ecstasy whenever they want?? How much more the substance would be abused..

It's a very popular theory that prohibition has reduced (or prevented the growth) of drug use. However, in most cases there is little evidence to support the theory; just a piece of central dogma that we are expected to believe in unquestionably.

Data from the 1999 Monitoring the Future (USA) and ESPAD (Europe) studies:

If you go to adult usage rates, things are even worse for the US; about 8% of Americans smoke pot vs. about 4% for the Netherlands (according to the UN's drug control division.)

That legalization would greatly increase use is one of those things that makes instinctive sense, but at least with marijuana that hasn't been the case. (Note the ecstasy use rates as well; I'm told pills are cheaper, more available, and more tolerated in the Netherlands than they are in the US, yet usage rates don't seem to have been negatively affected by it.)

At this point, I believe that at least with some drugs legality has only a passing effect on levels of use; the primary, indeed overwhelming force is cultural. Here in the states we arrested over 700,000 people for pot last year, and don't seem to have a single damn thing to show for it other than bursting prisons and debt.

I dont believe that ecstasy should be legalised.. Keeping it illegal weeds out alot of irresponsible people, believe or not..

I'm an advocate of controlled legalization; essentially put it under prescription-drug type controls where people would have to pass some manner of training course to get a permit. (Locally we have a similar aproach to guns; if you want a hunting permit you must attend gun safety classes first.)

I'm not entirely convinced you couldn't do a fair job just by packaging educational materials with the drugs and let people do as they please, but better to start conservatively.

Legalising ecstasy would do more harm than good..

A fine theory, but one that has never been put to the test.

MDMA would be a joke and have no sacred value anymore.. I make this assumption by just looking at all the other great things american culture has fucked up.

And that is one of the reasons to legalize. Prohibition has made it forbidden fruit; alluring and rebellious. I suspect this factor alone has had a major impact on the relative success of the Netherland's marijuana experiment.

In fact MDMA should be legal FOR THERAPUTIC USE.. However sadly, I doubt it could contained to that.

It could. Controls on prescriptions are pretty tight; methamphetamine and cocaine are Schedule 2 (tightly controlled but prescribable) in the US, but good luck trying to get a meth script from your doctor. While there would certainly be some incidents, I don't think prescription MDMA would ever come close to the waves of pills being smuggled in every week.

 

[nowonmai]

statistics and all aside, I believe that all drugs should be legalised for the simple reason that it is not for the state/government to regulate what the individual does with their own body.

 

[SkiNLaB]

statistics and all aside, I believe that all drugs should be legalised for the simple reason that it is not for the state/government to regulate what the individual does with their own body.

i agree, get some real information out there, and let the people decide for themselves. I'm sick of the padded cell treatment authorities impose on us.

 

[Leeuwarder]

I think natural drugs(i.e. mushrooms,marihuana)should be completly legal for the simple reason that they are natural.

Chemicals should also become legal but with a few rules.

*Only adults can use these kind of substances(this also goed for all other drugs).

*You'd have to do some psychological tests to see if you could handle the substances.This way not every dumb-ass redneck(just a example,not every redneck 's the same )could get him some 2-cb for billy bob and the kids.

*intensive medical check before engaging in any use.

*registerd use.for example,you only can get 250 mg MDMA every month,only 3 grams of cocaine a month.

*good education.Like till the age of 16 ,kids should be told:drugs are bad all drugs are bad.Then after this stage you can give classes about the effects of drugs and these classes woulsn't be in school but every two weeks in a rehad or sumthing like that.

*If someone would become addicted,or would commit a crime related to drugs they can never get any drugs more


Offcourse all substances would have to undergo a big scientific ''testcourse'' so we could determine what's evil and what not.

This would mean there would come a whole new level of jobs available,the money spend on the war on drugs could be used for other important social issues.

hehe,how i just love ma mind on marihuana

 

[HerbieShimmer]

statistics and all aside, I believe that all drugs should be legalised for the simple reason that it is not for the state/government to regulate what the individual does with their own body.

yes but what about what that person does with their body while under the influence of drugs? and what about the harm done to the individual's own body, and mind?

I don't think any more drugs should be legalised. It's bad enough that society has to deal with the alcoholics and drug addicts it already has. I don't think there is a need for any more of them.

 

[Prinsesse]

The only good point in E being legal.....it would be cheap!

 

[Leeuwarder]

originally posted by Nowonmai

statistics and all aside, I believe that all drugs should be legalised for the simple reason that it is not for the state/government to regulate what the individual does with their own body.

yes but what about what that person does with their body while under the influence of drugs? and what about the harm done to the individual's own body, and mind?

I don't think any more drugs should be legalised. It's bad enough that society has to deal with the alcoholics and drug addicts it already has. I don't think there is a need for any more of them.

But then the question of what is better comes to mind.more money spend useless on the war on drugs,or more problems directly related to drugs,like addiction.

We just have to define the war on drugs more.But then again,who can decide what is wrong and what not?

 

[nimble]

i'd just like to start off saying that i am against legalization of MDMA.
it WAS used in the 60s-70s(don't rightly remember, i might find some links later) for therapy but that got shut down and nobody does it anymore, and i really don't see this happening again.
so you say it being illegal weeds out morons that abuse it to the point of self destruction? i dunno where you're from but i see at the very least, one moron thats eaten 5 pills and can't find his shoes at every single party i go to. this is at the very least folks. so while i'd like to agree with you, i just don't see this happening.
i'm a firm believer that legalization would be a very bad thing. we have enough people out there eating pills that know absolutely nothing about what they're popping. it is a personal belief of mine that a person should be educated about something to the best of their ability before they decide to put something in their body. something tells me that legalization would not promote this education, no matter how many pamphlets and info guides the walgreens clerk gives you. most people just won't read it. hell, more information that most people can even understand is available right now, and nobody reads it. couple this with the fact that we still don't know exactly what this shit does to your brain, and i think we have an obvious choice here.
until more is known about it, i really don't think it should be legalized. even when we figure out the extent of the damage and exactly what it is doing to your brain i don't think it would be a good idea. people abuse alcohol enough, designer chems would just get abused more, with worse outcomes.

 

[asmoddean]

we have enough people out there eating pills that know absolutely nothing about what they're popping. it is a personal belief of mine that a person should be educated about something to the best of their ability before they decide to put something in their body.

I completely agree. If only everybody could be as educated as us bluelighters! Unfortunately some people just don't care, and that makes me sad.

 

[Roman Holiday]

Lord. I can't believe you people are going back to arguments like "people are too stupid to make choices themselves so E should be illegal." Consider yourselves. Many of you like to take pills and you all believe that you know enough about it. But at the same time, there are people out there who just like the feeling and essentially say, "To hell with the consequences of it." Some people will research what substances they are using and some won't, and that won't change according to the legal status of MDMA.

Even in the 1980s, when E was legal and unregulated, the situation was not too terribly out of control. People who wanted to roll did so and faced the consequences, even knowing less about the pharmacology than we do now. It really wasn't that bad.

More important is the criminal aspect of MDMA use and trafficking. I don't and you don't deserve to be locked up/fined/plagued with legal issues for wanting to enjoy a pill or two on an evening. For convenience's and my freedom's sake, prohibition is the worst case scenario for MDMA. Perhaps full-out legalization would have downsides, but the "controlled legalization" sounds like a nice middle ground to seek.

 

[asmoddean]

Not to be a pessimist (or an optimist, depending on your argument), but I just don't see legalization happening during our lifetime.

 

[Del]

Personally, I don't think ecstasy should be legalized.

Plus, going on the search for the shit is half the fun in itself.

Are you joking? It's great at 3am on Sunday morning knowing you can't get any! PLEASE! C'mon. Theres no fun in getting drugs. Even if it's off of one of your best mates who you haven't seen in 12 years! (this is coming from someone 2 years ago, who had many a friday and saturday night looking for beans).

I think it should be legal. But then I don't want loads of kids doing ti to be cool. So in regards to alucard's post, at least if your actively looking for pills, it (well I hope) means you actually want the experience for yourself and not because you want to be "cool".

 

[blowupking]

it is the governments Job to watch what you do to your body. Thats why its mandatory to wear a seat belt in the front seat in most states. Drugs should not be legalised for the one reason, ignorance.

 

[Sunshine Pointe]

I don't think the solution lies in legalization. Someone posted that the price would go down -not likely. If the government has its way, they'll place a hefty tax and drive up the price even higher, not to mention tacking on charges for research, "marketing", etc.

I think that making the consequences less harsh is a nice compromise. I think that if there is less risk involved price might decrease and availability would increase, not to mention quality control may improve

These are all unsupported theories naturally, but its nice to think positively.

~*doni*~

 

[Semi-Charmed]

This will never happen in our lifetimes or as long as the Libertarians don't gain control of the federal government. The government is looking into making ephedrine illegal....why would they legalize MDMA??