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[h=1]Anabolic Androgenic Steroid (AAS) Related Deaths: Autoptic, Histopathological and Toxicological Findings[/h]Paola Frati,1,2 Francesco P. Busardò,1,* Luigi Cipolloni,1 Enrico De Dominicis,3 and Vittorio Fineschi1

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[h=2]Abstract[/h]Anabolic androgenic steroids (AASs) represent a large group of synthetic derivatives of testosterone, produced to maximize anabolic effects and minimize the androgenic ones. AAS can be administered orally, parenterally by intramuscular injection and transdermally. Androgens act by binding to the nuclear androgen receptor (AR) in the cytoplasm and then translocate into the nucleus. This binding results in sequential conformational changes of the receptor affecting the interaction between receptor and protein, and receptor and DNA.
Skeletal muscle can be considered as the main target tissue for the anabolic effects of AAS, which are mediated by ARs which after exposure to AASs are up-regulated and their number increases with body building. Therefore, AASs determine an increase in muscle size as a consequence of a dose-dependent hypertrophy resulting in an increase of the cross-sectional areas of both type I and type II muscle fibers and myonuclear domains. Moreover, it has been reported that AASs can increase tolerance to exercise by making the muscles more capable to overload therefore shielding them from muscle fiber damage and improving the level of protein synthesis during recovery.
Despite some therapeutic use of AASs, there is also wide abuse among athletes especially bodybuilders in order to improve their performances and to increase muscle growth and lean body mass, taking into account the significant anabolic effects of these drugs.
The prolonged misuse and abuse of AASs can determine several adverse effects, some of which may be even fatal especially on the cardiovascular system because they may increase the risk of sudden cardiac death (SCD), myocardial infarction, altered serum lipoproteins, and cardiac hypertrophy.
The aim of this review is to focus on deaths related to AAS abuse, trying to evaluate the autoptic, histopathological and toxicological findings in order to investigate the pathophysiological mechanism that underlines this type of death, which is still obscure in several aspects. The review of the literature allowed us to identify 19 fatal cases between 1990 and 2012, in which the autopsy excluded in all cases, extracardiac causes of death.

Keywords: Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS), cardiovascular effects, sudden cardiac death, toxicity

[h=2]INTRODUCTION[/h]
Anabolic androgenic steroids (AASs) represent a large group of synthetic derivatives of testosterone, produced to maximize anabolic effects and minimize the androgenic ones [1, 2].

AASs can be administered orally, parenterally by intramuscular injection and transdermally. The most common oral and injectable AASs with their chemical structures are reported in Table ​11. Androgens act by binding to the nuclear androgen receptor (AR) in the cytoplasm and then translocate into the nucleus. This binding results in sequential conformational changes of the receptor affecting the interaction between receptor and protein, and receptor and DNA [3].
Table 1
AASs most commonly abused (oral and injectable formulations).


The basic structure of all steroids is a perhydro-cyclopentano phenanthrene ring system that can be modified in order to obtain several designed chemical modifications [3]. The most important chemical modification, in which the basic structure can undergo, is reported in Fig. ​11.
Fig. (1)
The basic structure of steroids can be changed in order to obtain several designed chemical modifications



The name “anabolic androgenic steroids” already suggests their “anabolic” (from Greek ἀναβολή “throw upward”) and “androgenic” (Greek ἀνδρός “of a man” + -γενής “born”) properties.

Anabolism is defined by Kuhn [4] as “any state in which nitrogen is differentially retained in lean body mass, either through stimulation of protein synthesis and/or decreased breakdown of protein anywhere in the body”. Skeletal muscle can be considered as the main target tissue for the anabolic effects of AAS, which are mediated by ARs which after exposure to AASs are up-regulated and their number increases with body building [5]. Therefore, AASs determine an increase in muscle size as a consequence of a dose-dependent hypertrophy resulting in an increase of the cross-sectional areas of both type I and type II muscle fibers and myonucleardomains [6]. Moreover, it has been reported that AASs can increase tolerance to exercise by making the muscles more capable to overload therefore shielding them from muscle fiber damage and improving the level of protein synthesis during recovery [7].

Despite some therapeutic use of AASs (severe burns, primary or secondary hypogonadism, short stature, HIV wasting syndrome etc.) there is also wide abuse among athletes especially bodybuilders in order to improve their performances and to increase muscle growth and lean body mass, taking into account the significant anabolic effects above reported. Not by chance, these substances fall within the vast group of “performance-enhancing drugs”, which also include: stimulants, painkillers, sedatives and anxiolytics, diuretics, blood boosters and masking drugs. A high-dose regimen is “stacked” by combining numerous oral and injectable AASs, which are self-administered in drug “cycles” which last from 4 to 12 weeks [7-9].

Furthermore, AAS users frequently associate other substances to AASs, the so called “steroid-accessory drugs”, such as ephedrine, growth hormone, insulin, diuretics, GHB etc [10-15] for several reasons.

The prolonged misuse and abuse of AASs can determine several adverse effects, some of which may be even fatal especially on the cardiovascular system because they may increase the risk of sudden cardiac death (SCD), myocardial infarction, altered serum lipoproteins, and cardiac hypertrophy [7]. The most frequent cardiovascular adverse effects due to AASs are summarized in Fig. ​22.
Fig. (2)
Cardiovascular adverse effects due to a prolonged use of AASs


The aim of this review is to focus on deaths related to AAS abuse, trying to evaluate the autoptic, histopathological and toxicological findings in order to investigate the pathophysiological mechanism that underlines this type of death, which is still obscure in several aspects.

[h=2]MATERIALS AND METHODS[/h]
Some databases, from 1975 to June 2014, were searched: Medline, Cochrane Central, Scopus, Web of Science, Science Direct, EMBASE and Google Scholar, using the following keywords: Anabolic Androgenic Steroid, death, cardiovascular effects, toxicity, side/adverse effects. The main key word “Anabolic Androgenic Steroid” was individually searched in association to each of the others. The 189 sources found after the initial screening in order to exclude duplicate sources and retrospective studies, were selected according to the “inclusion criteria”, which allowed the identification of 10 sources. A comprehensive flow diagram with inclusion criteria is reported in Fig. ​33.
Fig. (3)
Flow diagram with inclusion criteria for the selection of sources for the purpose of the review



[h=2]RESULTS[/h]
The review of the literature using the flow diagram reported in Fig. ​33 allowed us to identify 19 fatal cases between 1990 and 2012. The most important autoptic, histopathological findings and circumstantial data are reported in Table ​22, while the toxicological findings are reported in Table ​33.
Table 2
Autoptic, macroscopic and histological findings in 19 AAS related deaths.


Table 3
Toxicological findings and circumstantial data in 19 AAS related deaths.



Of the 19 cases, 17 (89.5%) were males whereas only 2 (10.5%) were females. The age ranged from 18 to 37 years (mean age: 28 ± 4.4). Among the 19 fatal cases, in 14 bodies
(12 males and 2 females) the data available allowed to calculate the body mass index (BMI) and the results are reported in Table ​44. In none of the cases the BMI was lower than 24.9, which is considered the upper limit of the normal healthy weight.
Table 4
Autoptic, macroscopic and histological findings in 19 AAS related deaths.



For all cases the autopsy excluded extracardiac causes of death, only in one case a bilateral pulmonary embolism from deep venous thrombus of lower extremities was found (Table 2).

Toxicological investigation performed mainly on urine samples but also in blood and hair samples, by using several screening tests and analytical methods revealed in 12 cases [16, 18, 20-25] the presence of AASs and/or their metabolites in urine specimens; in one case [23] nandrolone was detected in blood, whereas in another case [25] stanozolol was found in hair. In the remaining 6 cases in which the toxicological analysis was negative, circumstantial data and evidences reported by relatives and friends of the deceased highlighted a previous prolonged use of AASs.

[h=2]DISCUSSION AND CONCLUSIONS[/h]
The chronic use of AASs can cause various pathological alterations, which are related to dose, frequency and patterns of use. Taking into account that numerous organs and apparatus are the target of AASs, several adverse effects can involve the liver, cardiovascular, reproductive, musculoskeletal, endocrine, renal, immunologic and hematological systems as well as some psychological effects; a schematic representation is reported in Fig. ​44.


Fig. (4)
Adverse effects due to AASs which can affect numerous organs and apparatus



Here 19 fatal cases are reported; although only single case report or small series of cases were included, whereas retrospective studies and other papers that did not fulfill the inclusion criteria were not taken into account, some consideration can be formulated; in all cases the autopsy findings together with the histological examination have highlighted cardiac causes of death. Only in one case [19] a mechanical cardiovascular cause of death was found (a bilateral pulmonary embolism from deep venous thrombus of lower extremities). In numerous cases [16, 18, 19, 22, 25], a common finding was a left ventricular hypertrophy, frequently associated with fibrosis and myocytolisis. A myocardial hypertrophy was not found in the 4 cases reported by Fineschi et al in two different reports [21,23].

What is the significance that could be attributed to the myocardial hypertrophy? A vigorous training in young athletes can determine a left ventricularhypertrophy, independently of the use of AASs (the so called “athlete's heart”) [25-28].

Melchert and Welder [29] categorized the effects of AAS on the cardiovascular system into four groups of activities: vasospastic, atherogenic, thrombotic and direct myocardial injuries. AAS can induce adverse cardiovascular effects such as left ventricular hypertrophy (LVH), hypertension, impaired diastolic filling, arrhythmia, erythrocytosis, thrombosis and altered lipoprotein profiles [30]. Abnormalities in cardio-vascular reflex control of the cardiovascular system [31-35] and in vascular reactivity [36-40] have also been reported.

Studies on isolated hearts from rats treated chronically with nandrolonedecanoate (ND) have also shown a raise in myocardial susceptibility to ischemia/reperfusion injuries [41, 42].

Nandrolone abuse combined with vigorous exercise training may lead to impaired diastolic function and concentric hypertrophy of the left ventricular (LV) wall [43]. Vigorous weight lifting itself would also cause LV wall mass and thickness increase but cardiac function would not be affected. However, when combined with AAS abuse pathological cardiac hypertrophy could be caused [44]. In another study, rats were treated with ND for 6 weeks (total dose 30 mg /kg). ND stimulated cardiomegaly that reversed after the end of treatment [45].

Rocha et al. [46] studied the effects on cardiac function in rats undergoing swimming training and those not undergoing it. They investigated that swimming training combined with high doses of nandrolone (5 mg/kg per injection, equal to 10 mg/kg per week) sharpens cardiac hypertrophy with interstitial fibrosis. Without a doubt these findings explain the high propensity to the onset and continuance of malignant cardiac arrhythmias. An explanation might be the change of the sympathetic autonomic activity modulated by the renin-angiotensin-system (RAS). Experiments have shown that RAS plays a significant role in the development of LVH and myocardial fibrosis.

Angiotensin II type 1 receptor’s (AT1R’s) stimulation is associated with the regulation of cell growth and proliferation of vascular smooth muscle cells, cardiomyocytes and endothelial cells involved in endothelial dysfunction, atherosclerotic vascular phenomena, congestive heart failure and myocardial infarction.

Marques Neto et al. [47] pointed out that the treatment with supraphysiological, chronic doses of AASs induce cardiac parasympathetic disturbances in ventricular depolarization in both exercised and sedentary rats. Unambiguously, it has been shown that the blockage of the RAS, and in particular of AT1R by losartan, obstructs QT prolongation.

Down-regulation of ion channel subunits, KChIP2, Kv1.4 and Kv4.3, could explain the autonomic dysfunction and cardiac repolarization disturbances caused by chronic treatment with supraphysiological doses of ND. Moreover, prolonged QT intervals and ventricular action potential could be explained by the reduced density of the transient outward potassium [48]. No augmentation in tissue collagen content or in the mRNA expression of types I and III collagens have been shown by histological analysis. However, Rocha et al. [46] found an increment in heart collagen content but not in mRNA expression. The previously mentioned unconformity could be attributed to the duration of treatment with ND and the age of rats used. Participation of the potassium (K) current in the generation of prolonged QT and potential action duration has been noticed. Ito is the transient outward K+ current which is one of the main repolarizing currents in the mammalian myocardium and is generally believed to flow through Kv1.4, Kv4.2 and Kv4.3 channels in rats [49, 50]. In heart hypertrophic cases Ito is down-regulated [51-53].

Low Ito density, Kv1.4 and Kv4.3 down-regulation in the left ventricle and prolonged action was noticed in the group treated with nandrolone compared to the control group. Homogenous distribution of Kv4.3 channel in the rat’s ventricular wall, higher Kv4.2 in the epicardial and lower in the endocardial ventricular wall have been observed [49, 50]. These differences may partially explain the up-regulation of Kv4.2 and prolonged QTc interval and action potential. The expression of KChIP2 is considerably decreased in heart failure and hypertrophy [54, 55]. KChIP2 was found to be significant for Ito expression in the human heart and the correlation between KChIP2 absence and a total loss of Itotogether with an increased susceptibility to ventricular arrhythmias in mice has been shown [56].

According to Riezzo et al. [57] the following effects were produced in physically trained mice intramuscularly treated with ND: moderate increase of heart weight, morphologically extensive cardiac hypertrophy and a wide colliquative myocytolysis which together could result in a significant heart failure. The increase of the heart weight suggested enhanced heart protein synthesis.

Medei et al. [58] found approximately 25% less nuclei and higher cardiomyocyte nuclei diameter in the ventricles of the group treated with ND. Lower nuclei suggests a toxic effect of ND which may involve a pro-apoptotic mechanism [59].

Tanno et al [60] found that ND treatment whether combined with resistance training or not induced pathological concentric hypertrophy, re-expression of fetal genes, systolic and diastolic function impairment and an incremented myocardial collagen content leading to LVH.

Increased relative left ventricle wall thickness (RWT) was observed as a consequence of intensive physical training in rats treated with ND compared to the respective non-trained ones. In addition, the non-trained nandrolone treated group also produced higher RWT compared to the non-trained treated group. Increased interventricular septum thickness in the end-diastole (IVSDia) was noticed in both the non-trained nandrolone treated and trained vehicle-treated groups, compared to the non-trained vehicle treated rats.

A considerable lower ratio of maximum early to late transmitral flow velocity (E/A ratio) was observed in the trained groups, in comparison with non-trained groups. Nandrolone-treated groups (both trained and non-trained) showed lower E/A ratio in comparison with the respective vehicle-treated groups. Moreover, significant decrease in the expression of alpha-myosin heavy chain (α-MHC) mRNA and beta-myosin heavy chain (β-MHC) mRNA in the left ventricle was induced by nandrolone and resistance training respectively. Penna C. et al. [61] found that short-term ND treatment induces an overexpression of β2-adrenoceptors without cardiac hypertrophy.

Increment in cardiovascular mortality has been associated to an imbalance of (ANS) activity [54].

AASs can acutely inhibit the reuptake of catecholamines into extraneuronal tissue [62] and consequently the increment of catecholamine concentrations at receptor sites occurs. Although, the neuronal catecholamine transporter is normally responsible for the reuptake of noradrenaline, it has also been proved responsible for nonexocytotic release of noradrenaline from sympathetic nerve terminals during ischemia. An increased release of noradrenaline has been implicated in ischemia-induced arrhythmia [63, 64].

Tylicki [65] investigated the short-term effects of ND in rats’ cardiac system. An increased activity of 6-phosphogluconate dehydrogenases and glucose-6-phosphate was observed in rat hearts, also ND activated isocitrate dehydrogenase and malic enzyme, which are other NADP-linked dehydrogenases. During the same study a significantly increased heart weight was also observed 10 days after nandrolone administration. It was shown that treatment with ND causes small QRS complex extension that might slightly reduce the spreading rate of the action potential through the heart ventricles, possibly because of the greater heart mass.

It is known that administration of doses higher than normal (supraphysiological) of ND impair exercise-induced cardioprotection in treadmill-exercised rats. Chaves et al. [66] were the first to say that enhanced levels of antioxidant enzyme levels produced after exercise are impaired with ND treatment (10mg/kg for 8 weeks), a fact which is well correlated to the cardiac injurious effects of the drug. It was observed that the hearts of animals treated with nandrolone and having undergone training (DT group) showed lower glutathione peroxidase (GPx), superoxide dismutase (SOD) and glutathione reductase (GR) activities compared with controls and trained groups of animals (CT). The latter observation indicates that nandrolone could act through blocking or down regulating the mechanisms implicated in the improvement of antioxidant defenses in DT animals, which might explain the lower percentage of left ventricular developed pressure and augmented infarct size in DT group.

It has been shown, in other researches on rats that exercise training improves myocardial resistance to reperfusion injury/ischemia [67-69] since physiological cardiac hypertrophy amends the sensitiveness of that heart making it more resistant to the previously mentioned disorders in vivo rat hearts [70]. Notwithstanding the strenuous research efforts, the molecular mechanism(s) involved in exercise-induced cardio protection is still debatable.

The numerous studies above reported in animal models, especially in rats, have called into question several pathophysiological mechanisms, which may explain some of the macroscopic and microscopic finding regarding the 19 cases here reported; however, we have to underline that these cases are single case report or small series of cases and not experimental studies. Moreover, the users of these substances frequently associate numerous steroids, in different forms, singularly and in several temporal combinations and cycles, and commonly, various steroid-accessory drugs are also used. Therefore, the interpretation of the postmortem findings is particularly difficult and no comprehensive conclusions can be done.

Finally, a brief remark must be placed regarding the BMI which was in all cases (12 males and 2 females) higher than 25. Although according to the BMI ranges from an “overweight” (9 cases) to a “very severely obese” (2 cases) were found, however, the BMI is not a direct measure of body fatness and BMI is calculated from an individual's weight which includes both muscle and fat. As a result, some subjects such as highly trained athletes may have a high BMI because of increased muscularity rather than increased body fatness; therefore, these results should be evaluated with caution.

The relationship between AAS abuse, vigorous exercise training, and cardiac death can be evaluated only by the application of an investigative protocol, which must include a rigorous methodology covering:



  • A complete autopsy with a special regard to AAS target organs and apparatus (the cardiovascular system in primis).
  • Histological and immunohistochemical analysis of AAS target organs.
  • A broad toxicological investigation, preceded by a careful evaluation of clinico-anamnestic data, in order to confirm an AAS consumption (including type of AASs, concentration and interval of exposure) and the possible detection of other substances which could have contributed to the fatal outcome. For this purpose, different matrices can be used; urine is the most common, because it provides a prolonged detection time window, but also several other matrices such as: blood, serum, plasma, hair, oral fluid and nails can be used.

The comparison of the cases reported here, allows us to support the hypothesis that the combined effects of strong workout, the prolonged/chronic or previous abuse of AASs in different forms and combinations, have predisposed these subjects to develop different patterns of myocardial injuries and consequent sudden cardiac death [21, 23].

Therefore, the authors would strengthen the “warning” already expressed in previous reports [21, 23] against the use/abuse of these substances among professional and non-professional athletes. Moreover, only through a careful examination of all suspicious cases of AAS related deaths with the application of a rigorous investigative protocol, these cases can be identified and they could provide further information and data that may increase the knowledge of this type of deaths.

[h=2]CONFLICT OF INTEREST[/h]The authors confirm that this article content has no conflict of interest.

[h=2]ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS[/h]Declared none.


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Ok, so I already had a few PMs about the paper being too difficult to make sense of. So I'll try to highlight some of the key elements of the discussion, which is essentially about CARDIOVASCULAR RISKS:




DISCUSSION AND CONCLUSIONS

The chronic use of AASs can cause various pathological alterations, which are related to dose, frequency and patterns of use. Taking into account that numerous organs and apparatus are the target of AASs, several adverse effects can involve the liver, cardiovascular, reproductive, musculoskeletal, endocrine, renal, immunologic and hematological systems as well as some psychological effects; a schematic representation is reported in Fig. ​44.

Here 19 fatal cases are reported; although only single case report or small series of cases were included, whereas retrospective studies and other papers that did not fulfill the inclusion criteria were not taken into account, some consideration can be formulated; in all cases the autopsy findings together with the histological examination have highlighted cardiac causes of death. Only in one case [19] a mechanical cardiovascular cause of death was found (a bilateral pulmonary embolism from deep venous thrombus of lower extremities). In numerous cases [16, 18, 19, 22, 25], a common finding was a left ventricular hypertrophy, frequently associated with fibrosis and myocytolisis. A myocardial hypertrophy was not found in the 4 cases reported by Fineschi et al in two different reports [21,23].


NOW THE DISCUSSION TURNS TO TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE MECHANISMS CAUSING THE CARDIOVASCULAR TROUBLE, USING MOSTLY (BUT NOT ONLY) RODENT MODELS:---->


What is the significance that could be attributed to the myocardial hypertrophy? A vigorous training in young athletes can determine a left ventricularhypertrophy, independently of the use of AASs (the so called “athlete's heart”) [25-28].

Melchert and Welder [29] categorized the effects of AAS on the cardiovascular system into four groups of activities: vasospastic, atherogenic, thrombotic and direct myocardial injuries. AAS can induce adverse cardiovascular effects such as left ventricular hypertrophy (LVH), hypertension, impaired diastolic filling, arrhythmia, erythrocytosis, thrombosis and altered lipoprotein profiles [30]. Abnormalities in cardio-vascular reflex control of the cardiovascular system [31-35] and in vascular reactivity [36-40] have also been reported. Studies on isolated hearts from rats treated chronically with nandrolonedecanoate (ND) have also shown a raise in myocardial susceptibility to ischemia/reperfusion injuries [41, 42] [a short summary of cardiovascular risks from AAS usage - cfc]

Nandrolone abuse combined with vigorous exercise training may lead to impaired diastolic function and concentric hypertrophy of the left ventricular (LV) wall [43]. Vigorous weight lifting itself would also cause LV wall mass and thickness increase but cardiac function would not be affected. However, when combined with AAS abuse pathological cardiac hypertrophy could be caused [44]. In another study, rats were treated with ND for 6 weeks (total dose 30 mg /kg). ND stimulated cardiomegaly that reversed after the end of treatment [45].

Rocha et al. [46] studied the effects on cardiac function in rats undergoing swimming training and those not undergoing it. They investigated that swimming training combined with high doses of nandrolone (5 mg/kg per injection, equal to 10 mg/kg per week) sharpens cardiac hypertrophy with interstitial fibrosis. Without a doubt these findings explain the high propensity to the onset and continuance of malignant cardiac arrhythmias. An explanation might be the change of the sympathetic autonomic activity modulated by the renin-angiotensin-system (RAS). Experiments have shown that RAS plays a significant role in the development of LVH and myocardial fibrosis.

Angiotensin II type 1 receptor’s (AT1R’s) stimulation is associated with the regulation of cell growth and proliferation of vascular smooth muscle cells, cardiomyocytes and endothelial cells involved in endothelial dysfunction, atherosclerotic vascular phenomena, congestive heart failure and myocardial infarction. [hence the reason I've argued repeatedly about incorporating an ARB like losartan in your ancillary arsenal - cfc]

Marques Neto et al. [47] pointed out that the treatment with supraphysiological, chronic doses of AASs induce cardiac parasympathetic disturbances in ventricular depolarization in both exercised and sedentary rats. Unambiguously, it has been shown that the blockage of the RAS, and in particular of AT1R by losartan, obstructs QT prolongation.

Down-regulation of ion channel subunits, KChIP2, Kv1.4 and Kv4.3, could explain the autonomic dysfunction and cardiac repolarization disturbances caused by chronic treatment with supraphysiological doses of ND. Moreover, prolonged QT intervals and ventricular action potential could be explained by the reduced density of the transient outward potassium [48]. No augmentation in tissue collagen content or in the mRNA expression of types I and III collagens have been shown by histological analysis. However, Rocha et al. [46] found an increment in heart collagen content but not in mRNA expression. The previously mentioned unconformity could be attributed to the duration of treatment with ND and the age of rats used. Participation of the potassium (K) current in the generation of prolonged QT and potential action duration has been noticed. Ito is the transient outward K+ current which is one of the main repolarizing currents in the mammalian myocardium and is generally believed to flow through Kv1.4, Kv4.2 and Kv4.3 channels in rats [49, 50]. In heart hypertrophic cases Ito is down-regulated [51-53].

Low Ito density, Kv1.4 and Kv4.3 down-regulation in the left ventricle and prolonged action was noticed in the group treated with nandrolone compared to the control group. Homogenous distribution of Kv4.3 channel in the rat’s ventricular wall, higher Kv4.2 in the epicardial and lower in the endocardial ventricular wall have been observed [49, 50]. These differences may partially explain the up-regulation of Kv4.2 and prolonged QTc interval and action potential. The expression of KChIP2 is considerably decreased in heart failure and hypertrophy [54, 55]. KChIP2 was found to be significant for Ito expression in the human heart and the correlation between KChIP2 absence and a total loss of Ito together with an increased susceptibility to ventricular arrhythmias in mice has been shown [56].

According to Riezzo et al. [57] the following effects were produced in physically trained mice intramuscularly treated with ND: moderate increase of heart weight, morphologically extensive cardiac hypertrophy and a wide colliquative myocytolysis which together could result in a significant heart failure. The increase of the heart weight suggested enhanced heart protein synthesis.

Medei et al. [58] found approximately 25% less nuclei and higher cardiomyocyte nuclei diameter in the ventricles of the group treated with ND. Lower nuclei suggests a toxic effect of ND [nandrolone decanoate - cfc] which may involve a pro-apoptotic mechanism [59].

Tanno et al [60] found that ND treatment whether combined with resistance training or not induced pathological concentric hypertrophy, re-expression of fetal genes, systolic and diastolic function impairment and an incremented myocardial collagen content leading to LVH.

Increased relative left ventricle wall thickness (RWT) was observed as a consequence of intensive physical training in rats treated with ND compared to the respective non-trained ones. In addition, the non-trained nandrolone treated group also produced higher RWT compared to the non-trained treated group. Increased interventricular septum thickness in the end-diastole (IVSDia) was noticed in both the non-trained nandrolone treated and trained vehicle-treated groups, compared to the non-trained vehicle treated rats.

A considerable lower ratio of maximum early to late transmitral flow velocity (E/A ratio) was observed in the trained groups, in comparison with non-trained groups. Nandrolone-treated groups (both trained and non-trained) showed lower E/A ratio in comparison with the respective vehicle-treated groups. Moreover, significant decrease in the expression of alpha-myosin heavy chain (α-MHC) mRNA and beta-myosin heavy chain (β-MHC) mRNA in the left ventricle was induced by nandrolone and resistance training respectively.

Penna C. et al. [61] found that short-term ND treatment induces an overexpression of β2-adrenoceptors without cardiac hypertrophy. [Which can lead to arrhythmias, elevated BP and heart rate, as shown below - cfc]

Increment in cardiovascular mortality has been associated to an imbalance of (ANS) activity [54].

AASs can acutely inhibit the reuptake of catecholamines into extraneuronal tissue [62] and consequently the increment of catecholamine concentrations at receptor sites occurs. Although, the neuronal catecholamine transporter is normally responsible for the reuptake of noradrenaline, it has also been proved responsible for nonexocytotic release of noradrenaline from sympathetic nerve terminals during ischemia. An increased release of noradrenaline has been implicated in ischemia-induced arrhythmia [63, 64].

Tylicki [65] investigated the short-term effects of ND in rats’ cardiac system. An increased activity of 6-phosphogluconate dehydrogenases and glucose-6-phosphate was observed in rat hearts, also ND activated isocitrate dehydrogenase and malic enzyme, which are other NADP-linked dehydrogenases. During the same study a significantly increased heart weight was also observed 10 days after nandrolone administration. It was shown that treatment with ND causes small QRS complex extension that might slightly reduce the spreading rate of the action potential through the heart ventricles, possibly because of the greater heart mass.

It is known that administration of doses higher than normal (supraphysiological) of ND impair exercise-induced cardioprotection in treadmill-exercised rats. Chaves et al. [66] were the first to say that enhanced levels of antioxidant enzyme levels produced after exercise are impaired with ND treatment (10mg/kg for 8 weeks), a fact which is well correlated to the cardiac injurious effects of the drug. It was observed that the hearts of animals treated with nandrolone and having undergone training (DT group) showed lower glutathione peroxidase (GPx), superoxide dismutase (SOD) and glutathione reductase (GR) activities compared with controls and trained groups of animals (CT). [Which is perhaps another good argument for added TAURINE - cfc] The latter observation indicates that nandrolone could act through blocking or down regulating the mechanisms implicated in the improvement of antioxidant defenses [Not unlike the speculated mechanism in the testes for causing atophy - cfc] in DT animals, which might explain the lower percentage of left ventricular developed pressure and augmented infarct size in DT group.

It has been shown, in other researches on rats that exercise training improves myocardial resistance to reperfusion injury/ischemia [67-69] since physiological cardiac hypertrophy amends the sensitiveness of that heart making it more resistant to the previously mentioned disorders in vivo rat hearts [70]. Notwithstanding the strenuous research efforts, the molecular mechanism(s) involved in exercise-induced cardio protection is still debatable.

The numerous studies above reported in animal models, especially in rats, have called into question several pathophysiological mechanisms, which may explain some of the macroscopic and microscopic finding regarding the 19 cases here reported; however, we have to underline that these cases are single case report or small series of cases and not experimental studies. Moreover, the users of these substances frequently associate numerous steroids, in different forms, singularly and in several temporal combinations and cycles, and commonly, various steroid-accessory drugs are also used. Therefore, the interpretation of the postmortem findings is particularly difficult and no comprehensive conclusions can be done. [A caution against drawing very firm conclusions at this stage - cfc]

The comparison of the cases reported here, allows us to support the hypothesis that the combined effects of strong workout, the prolonged/chronic or previous abuse of AASs in different forms and combinations, have predisposed these subjects to develop different patterns of myocardial injuries and consequent sudden cardiac death [21, 23].
 
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Read the first few paragraphs seems very interesting I'll have to invest some time in it when I get a chance

Edit - the only thing that strikes me as strange about the artivlearticle, could they only find 19 deaths in the whole of the US in that time scale? Good read though. The dosage seems relatively high though, most people running deca are doing 500mg pw at 85-95kg rather than 10mg pw which would be more like 850mg-950mg.

And what correlation do rats have with test levels vs weight compared to a human does anybody have that information?
 
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Read the first few paragraphs seems very interesting I'll have to invest some time in it when I get a chance

Edit - the only thing that strikes me as strange about the artivlearticle, could they only find 19 deaths in the whole of the US in that time scale? Good read though. The dosage seems relatively high though, most people running deca are doing 500mg pw at 85-95kg rather than 10mg pw which would be more like 850mg-950mg.

And what correlation do rats have with test levels vs weight compared to a human does anybody have that information?

It depends on the rodent in question, but for Wistar Rats (which are commonly used) we need to multiply the dose by 0.162, so that works out to a human equivalent of only roughly 150mg/wk. So in someone on double or more than that, expect the outcomes to be worse.

The reason they only picked 19 was because they had to be categorically certain AAS were the determining factor in their death. So those with pre existing or complicated causes of death had to be excluded, as well as any case they weren't certain of. That usually knocks out 99% of people on just the first pass.
 
That is still nothing when you think of it even if it was to wipe out 99% of deaths which is probably an overstatement that still leaves the death toll at 1900 over a 40 year period. That many people probably die each hour from alcohol consumption globally
 
If you look under figure 3 in methods, you can see how they arrived at their 'n' number of 19 patients, from 10 studies out of the 1000 initially identified through the databases.

While lots of people may die from steroid use, most of it will go unreported (ie he had a heart attack). Even less gets both identified as being potentially caused by AAS and then written about in studies.

This is not to say that there's hardly anyone dying from AAS use, but that this is a review article, which means they review other studies, they don't directly go through death records and try to identify people whose death may be attributed to AAS.

Even if they did, it would need the coroner at time of death to record the death as being in some way attributable to AAS use, which he wouldn't be able to determine without having reason to suspect, and would be costly/time-consuming to investigate just on a speculation.
 
That I suppose does make a lot of sense the figures surrounding aas deaths could be quite misleading. I see little to no damage from short term use or occasional use, it's when people are running consecutive blasts for a a number of years it starts to become an issue. Or using way too much gear.
Did I read correctly that your heart corrects itself in time?
 
I generally agree mate. Although many of these effects can happen in acute (short-term) situations, and can sometimes cause death (eg thrombosis), 90% of the risk is long term.

A few cycles a year, with decent amounts of time in physiological levels of hormones, is unlikely to cause much accumulative damage as it tends to reverse when off.

Given that bodybuilders generally live comparatively healthy lifestyles with (usually) reasonably healthy diets and plenty of nutrients, on balance there's little recorded effect on life expectancy overall.

The biggest concern is really only for those who use high doses, do no cardio, eat poorly, or those who insist on Blast n Cruise where the cruise is nothing like a physiological dose of testosterone and the blast is much too much (which sadly is most people who do that).

Over time some of the damage can be reversed (eg LVH tends to reduce over time), although significant fibrosis usually doesn't heal by itself (it's basically permanently rigid scar tissue). N-Acetlycysteine and ARBs can reverse some degree of fibrosis. But as with all things, there's just not enough research into the effects of AAS for us to have 100% certainty.

That includes with risks too, given that we can't (won't, due to ethics) study real-world bodybuilding situations - things may be better than we think. The risk is that they may be worse, hence why we should play it safe; peeps need to be sensible and think of 20-30 years down the line, not just the next few years.
 
I've never done cardiovascular exercise on cycle because of how terrible the shin splints become. Considering my choice of supplements contribute to RBC production in conjunction with AAS tagging along, it may have been from an unwanted hematocrit percentage. I can only get away with a 10-15 minute walk to get the blood flowing. And I have unconjugated bilirubin present in my blood in abnormally high concentrations so taking it's antioxidative plausibility, I may have possibly been practicing a slight style of harm reductive behavior for cardiovascular ailments. I've also never went above 500mg/wk on exogenous testosterone.

Do specific kinds of AAS pose more danger than others or does it come down to dosaging and the individualistic reaction on a physiological level? I know they all come with their goods/bads, but is there a few that would stand out as heart-stoppers once you meet a specific threshold?
 
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I've never done cardiovascular exercise on cycle because of how terrible the shin splints become. Considering my choice of supplements contribute to RBC production in conjunction with AAS tagging along, it may have been from an unwanted hematocrit percentage. I can only get away with a 10-15 minute walk to get the blood flowing. And I have unconjugated bilirubin present in my blood in abnormally high concentrations so taking it's antioxidative plausibility, I may have possibly been practicing a slight style of harm reductive behavior for cardiovascular ailments. I've also never went above 500mg/wk on exogenous testosterone.

Do specific kinds of AAS pose more danger than others or does it come down to dosaging and the individualistic reaction on a physiological level? I know they all come with their goods/bads, but is there a few that would stand out as heart-stoppers once you meet a specific threshold?

GF asked me a similar question a few months ago, and I put my best speculation-hat on for it... see post #6:

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/760319-AAS-and-Cardiovascular-Health-Case-Study

As for your Gilbert's being protective, it may well be. I have the same condition and my arteries have no plaques on them whatsoever despite a lot of very unwise AAS use when I was younger. However I've still had other negative sides (high haematocrit, high BP, prostatic hypertrophy, left ventricular hypertrophy, mildly enlarged aorta) so I don't think merely addressing some of the anti-oxidant issues is enough. AAS has effects on quite a number of 'hidden' levels that don't normally become apparent until something goes very wrong or you happen to have a scan and someone inadvertently notices a problem.
 
Sorry go bring this back from the dead but I am very interested, and I think most people who browse this forum should pay attention even if it's hard to hear.

It seems nandrolone is indicated in lots of deaths. (Other sources not just this one) is it just that popular? I didn't think so but I read so many cases of heart problems related to nadrolone
 
I havent finished reading it but may want to put a space between your % and ) to remove the emoji considering the morbid nature of the study.

So now I read it and the one thing that is clear to me is that cardiac toxicity from AAS mimics classic Congestive Heart Failure (CHF) to a great degree.

Without going into details about CHF, I would like to talk about some of the pharmacological treatments of it and ask why or why not they could not be used in those taking anabolic steroids.

CFC, you have been advocating losartan both here and previously for excellent reasons, but why an ARB rather than an ACE-I? ACE-I such as ramipril are still the go to drugs in CHF patients. They seem to have slightly better outcomes than ARBs as of now (this is currently being challenged and ARBs probably are just as good) but ACE-Is have the added benefit of improving coronary endothelial function from increase NO release via their action on bradykinin. Both ACE-Is and ARBs decrease LV hypertrophy via limiting angiotensin-II effects, but the ACE-Is alone have the additional NO release mechanism. ACEIs generally are cheaper, even the generics, than ARBs as well, which is a minor advantage.

Also, would beta blockers be out of the question either with AAS or heavy training? Carvedilol would be ideal as it also is an alpha blocker so you get complete blockade of the deleterious actions of the sympathetic amines. Carvedilol is also rather unique (well nebivolol does this too) in that it has antioxidant properties that can help minimize the damage those free radicals can cause. Metoprolol could also be an option (especially succinate) as it most likely has a better response at controlling the rhythm than carvedilol which possibly could reduce sudden death from Torsades de pointe-like reactions.

I know beta blockers can cause sedation, dizziness, negatively affect breathing, so I could see how that could interfere with your training, but seems the benefits, despite them being less effective at decreasing LV hypertrophy than ACE-I or ARBs, would outweigh these often transient risks.

Lastly, would the aldosterone antagonists (spironolactone, eplerenone) be contraindicated with AAS? I know they themselves are steroidal but would have to look up how they interact with anabolics. But they can decrease fibrosis in CHF patients so I dont see why that wouldnt apply here.
 
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I havent finished reading it but may want to put a space between your % and ) to remove the emoji considering the morbid nature of the study.

So now I read it and the one thing that is clear to me is that cardiac toxicity from AAS mimics classic Congestive Heart Failure (CHF) to a great degree.

Without going into details about CHF, I would like to talk about some of the pharmacological treatments of it and ask why or why not they could not be used in those taking anabolic steroids.

CFC, you have been advocating losartan both here and previously for excellent reasons, but why an ARB rather than an ACE-I? ACE-I such as ramipril are still the go to drugs in CHF patients. They seem to have slightly better outcomes than ARBs as of now (this is currently being challenged and ARBs probably are just as good) but ACE-Is have the added benefit of improving coronary endothelial function from increase NO release via their action on bradykinin. Both ACE-Is and ARBs decrease LV hypertrophy via limiting angiotensin-II effects, but the ACE-Is alone have the additional NO release mechanism. ACEIs generally are cheaper, even the generics, than ARBs as well, which is a minor advantage.

Also, would beta blockers be out of the question either with AAS or heavy training? Carvedilol would be ideal as it also is an alpha blocker so you get complete blockade of the deleterious actions of the sympathetic amines. Carvedilol is also rather unique (well nebivolol does this too) in that it has antioxidant properties that can help minimize the damage those free radicals can cause. Metoprolol could also be an option (especially succinate) as it most likely has a better response at controlling the rhythm than carvedilol which possibly could reduce sudden death from Torsades de pointe-like reactions.

I know beta blockers can cause sedation, dizziness, negatively affect breathing, so I could see how that could interfere with your training, but seems the benefits, despite them being less effective at decreasing LV hypertrophy than ACE-I or ARBs, would outweigh these often transient risks.

Lastly, would the aldosterone antagonists (spironolactone, eplerenone) be contraindicated with AAS? I know they themselves are steroidal but would have to look up how they interact with anabolics. But they can decrease fibrosis in CHF patients so I dont see why that wouldnt apply here.


Ok these are all great questions Kittycat, so bear with me while I try to explain.

First off, why ARBs and not ACE-Is?

I agree that, superficially at least, an ACE-I should be as good as - or better than - an ARB, particularly because of the beneficial impact on bradykinin. But the reason most studies use ARBs when assessing AAS effects is because about 80-90% of angiotensin-II produced locally in the heart and atherosclerotic tissue (where the impact of AAS is acutely severe) is done without the involvement of the angiotensin-converting enzyme at all (eg proteinases like chymase are particularly important producers).

What this means is that ARBs are significantly more effective than ACE-Is at antagonising the impact of angiotensin-II AT1 stimulation, which is believed to be most beneficial for AAS users. Inhibiting ACE with ACE-Is has a wider impact but is weaker at AT1 sites, and thus presumed to be less useful in attenuating the deleterious structural/inflammatory modifications ang-II AT1 stimulation has on those organs. There was also some speculation that ang-II AT2 stimulation was actually beneficial for many years, making ARBs even better as they cause negative feedback on Ang-II, but recently that theory has been challenged.

Anyway this goes some way to explaining why in the last 10-15 years, even though both compounds have pretty similar blood pressure outcomes, prescriptions of ARBs have increased relative to ACE-Is. In fact you get many people prescribed both - one for the Ang-II AT1 blocking effect, the other for bradykinin and to control negative feedback in the RAS (increased ang-II > AT2 stimulation) from the ARB.

As far as steroid users go, ACE-Is may well still be pretty beneficial, and it would be nice to have some comparative studies of ARBs and ACE-Is in relevant populations. If you can't get hold of an ARB, and ACE-I is still going to be helpful, and will lower blood pressure and reduce LVH even if its effect on fibrosis is weaker.

How about alpha and beta blockers?

The biggest reason you'll see few bodybuilders regularly using either to control blood pressure or pulse rate is their parasympathetic (anti-stimulant) effect is too noticeable during training. Even guys who complain of over-stimulation from tren often find a beta-blocker to be unpalatable. It's hard enough getting AAS users to cut back on use of pre-workout stimulants, but to then ask them to take a compound which will in all likelihood cripple training performance is just too much of a stretch.

Beta-blockers also come with the unpleasant side-effect of raising insulin resistance, which for most bodybuilders is a big no-no. In fact many take beta agonists like clenbuterol so you'd have your work cut out trying to advocate the opposite.

What about mineralcorticoid inhibitors?

Aside from the fact that spironolactone is a potent anti-androgen ;) generally speaking it's unwise to reduce blood plasma volume in AAS using bodybuilders, because it will cause an already elevated haematocrit (PCV) to increase further. Which increases the risks of clots. This is one of the big risk areas for AAS users, so definitely avoid diuretic compounds.

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I think one of the things to bear in mind is that AAS users are not really like those suffering from CHF. There are some similar inflammatory mechanisms for certain, but you wouldn't treat both populations the same as the etiology and outcomes are really quite different.

Actually one of the treatments you haven't mentioned that may be most useful to AAS-using bodybuilders are calcium-channel blockers. I have touched on the subject before in one of our previous discussions, but their anti-fibrotic effect may be stronger than that of ARBs, and may come with added benefits in terms of rhythm maintenance, as well as a comparable vasodilatory effect to ACE-Is. In fact a CCB plus an ARB may also resolve the oedema effect you see with some of the dihydropyridines. There's sadly still a lack of research to draw any strong conclusions at the moment though.
 
That is really interesting, especially why ARBs are of more benefit. I hadnt known that but know will certainly look it up. And I do find it quite fascinating despite very similar presentations, CHF and LVH from AAS clearly are not as similar as I thought.

I left out CCBs as I was trying to make the false comparison to CHF, where CCBs arent a mainstay of therapy but I did forget to mention statins. Would they be contraindicated in AAS users for any reason?
 
Statins are often used by bodybuilders to help correct poor lipids. Sometimes it helps, sometimes not - anecdotally at least. I'm a little cautious about their use given the contradictory findings of research - and the potential implications of polypharmacy - although they're unlikely to do much harm and possibly more good. I'd tend to avoid using them in harsh oral AAS cycles (which could potentially add to the load on the liver), which is unfortunate as that's probably when they'd otherwise be most effective.

However if bodybuilders take breaks from AAS cycles, eat well, reduce the use of oral/liver harsh compounds, limit aromatase inhibition, take supplemental niacin and fish oils, and undertake regular cardio, that in itself should be adequate to attenuate any LDL/HDL related inflammation and atherosclerosis. Interestingly some steroids, in particular nandrolone but potentially others, tend to improve lipids, possibly via oestrogenic pathways (or acting as one through the AR).
 
I think statins hepatotoxicity is perceived by the general public to be much greater than it really is. The newest guidlines only recommend liver function tests before initiating therapy and then only if the patient to exhibiting some sign of abnormal liver function precisely because the incidence of serious liver complications is so low. And not all statins are created equal. For instance, simvastatin and pravastatin seem to have lower incidence of both liver and muscle adverse events. These side effects are dose dependent though. Agressive therapy with any statin increases the risk of these and most other side effects. But their benefit also goes beyond lipid lowering actions. Decreasing epithelial inflammation, attenuating myocardial growth factors, and regulation of oxidative stress are all promising in the treatment of LVH and despite AAS's rather harsh liver issues, I think 20mg of either simvastatin or 20-40mg of pravastatin taken regularly would have more cardiac benefit than hepatic risk. Are you aware, CFC of any data supporting this?

I was also looking into the aldosterone antagonists and learned a couple of things that may be of interest. As you mentioned, bodybuilders would never consider spironolactone due to its antiandrogenic properties. I figured eplerenone would be no different but that is not true. Eplerenone is very selective for the mineralcorticoid receptors with almost no action on glucocorticoid, progesterone, or androgen receptors. You mentioned how reducing plasma volume could lead to increase risk of clots. But low doses of both spironolactone or eplerenone (25 and 50mg respectively) cause almost no natriuresis or decrease in blood volume. On their own, I would say the mineralcorticoid antagonists are less beneficial than ACEI/ARB, beta blockers, or CCBs in the treatment of both CHF and LVH, but added low dose of them to an ARB or ACEI and you get substantial increased in reduction of hypertrophy. I am not sure if mortality is decreased but going to keep looking.
 
I think statins hepatotoxicity is perceived by the general public to be much greater than it really is. The newest guidlines only recommend liver function tests before initiating therapy and then only if the patient to exhibiting some sign of abnormal liver function precisely because the incidence of serious liver complications is so low. And not all statins are created equal. For instance, simvastatin and pravastatin seem to have lower incidence of both liver and muscle adverse events. These side effects are dose dependent though. Agressive therapy with any statin increases the risk of these and most other side effects. But their benefit also goes beyond lipid lowering actions. Decreasing epithelial inflammation, attenuating myocardial growth factors, and regulation of oxidative stress are all promising in the treatment of LVH and despite AAS's rather harsh liver issues, I think 20mg of either simvastatin or 20-40mg of pravastatin taken regularly would have more cardiac benefit than hepatic risk. Are you aware, CFC of any data supporting this?

I was also looking into the aldosterone antagonists and learned a couple of things that may be of interest. As you mentioned, bodybuilders would never consider spironolactone due to its antiandrogenic properties. I figured eplerenone would be no different but that is not true. Eplerenone is very selective for the mineralcorticoid receptors with almost no action on glucocorticoid, progesterone, or androgen receptors. You mentioned how reducing plasma volume could lead to increase risk of clots. But low doses of both spironolactone or eplerenone (25 and 50mg respectively) cause almost no natriuresis or decrease in blood volume. On their own, I would say the mineralcorticoid antagonists are less beneficial than ACEI/ARB, beta blockers, or CCBs in the treatment of both CHF and LVH, but added low dose of them to an ARB or ACEI and you get substantial increased in reduction of hypertrophy. I am not sure if mortality is decreased but going to keep looking.

Sorry kittycat I never did get around to replying to this!

Statins: Yeah, I'm not entirely against them. I've seen both myself and a few others (so, just anecdotal data) have pretty atrocious LFTs while using AAS and statins (they're OTC in the UK). I've also found, however, that just adding Niacin to the diet of AAS using bodybuilders seems to help shift the LDL:HDL ratio quite significantly. Also some combination of taurine, NAC and ALA (presumably by lowering oxidative load and helping maintain efficient liver function). So I'd rather go the 'eat healthy', 'try natural supplements' and 'do more cardio' route first. But in stubborn cases it's definitely an option.

As for diuretics, it's a bit of a hot subject in bodybuilding. They're used extensively in competition, and have been the cause of a lot of deaths and acute health and kidney problems. While I do accept they could be used judiciously and to at least mild benefit on an AAS cycle, I'd feel conflicted recommending them over any of the other drugs because the margin for potential harm is so much smaller. Bodybuilders are prone to the 'more is better' mantra, and once you give them the green light to use something, you can be sure it won't be long before a less informed guy kills himself.
 
No prob, CFC. We all have lives. Yeah, for prevention using supplements and eating healthy probably has much lower risks of any problem than statins, despite them being quite safe. Question. How many users of AAS, in your estimation, would have the beginnings of LVH if not actual hypertrophy that would need medical care? Statins probably would be beneficial and more efficacious than supplements in these cases.

Good point on the more is better point. I guess all users, be it steroids or heroin suffer from this. :)
 
No prob, CFC. We all have lives. Yeah, for prevention using supplements and eating healthy probably has much lower risks of any problem than statins, despite them being quite safe. Question. How many users of AAS, in your estimation, would have the beginnings of LVH if not actual hypertrophy that would need medical care? Statins probably would be beneficial and more efficacious than supplements in these cases.

Good point on the more is better point. I guess all users, be it steroids or heroin suffer from this. :)

The emphasis for AAS users is not so much LVH. Its the broad sweep of cardiovascular risks (eg endothelial damage, fibrosis and scarring, plaques, B-receptor/sympathomimetic effects, nerve block, harmful BP etc) that's more of concern. There would certainly be some for whom LVH has become problematic but unlike in, say, CHF it's somewhat more reversible on cessation.
 
I see. Interesting. That almost makes me feel statins would be even more beneficial, but I know you are much more learned on AAS than I and will defer to you.
 
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