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Salandrion

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Recently with the outbreak of tainted pills in the UK I have been interested in knowing more about the true dangers of PMMA usage. Most articles I've read describe PMMA and PMA as dangerous because of the potential to overheat and overdose from a longer come up leading to redosing. This begs the question is PMMA really an inherently dangerous drug to consume?

The recent Edata results for the green rolex show a ratio of 6:1:1 MDMA: Caffeine: PMMA

This doesn't seem like a particularly dangerous concoction unless you consumed a large number of pills.

Can anybody shed light on this?
 
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^ Those EXACT pills killed many, many people.


PMA and MDMA is EXTREMELY dangerous, as PMA is a slight MAOi. MAOis and serotonin releasors will almost always cause serotonin syndrome, so the combination of the two is extremely deadly, even though it is seemingly only a low dose.




Is PMMA dangerous? Yes. Hundreds of people have died from it... how could you think anything different?
 
I think the problem here is that you can overdose on PMA much more easily. The come-up from PMA is also much slower than for example MDMA. This means that after an hour or so, people who have mistakenly taken PMA will redose (more PMA) and from then on things will go very very wrong.
 
How many people that died from those pills do you speculate consumed a single one?

There was trace PMMA in the Mortal Kombats that everybody loved so much as well.
 
Erowid says the following about dose:

"There is very little available information about safe recreational dosages for PMA. Doses as low as 60 mg can cause significant and alarming increase in blood pressure, body temperature and pulse. The most concerning aspect of this is that if PMA is sold as ecstasy, some people will take multiple pills, increasing chances of a PMA overdose significantly."

I don't think trace will do you any harm. But if you take an-MDMA like dose of PMA, then you will certainly be in trouble.
 
The trouble with UK ravers, is they like to get on it HARD

For ecstasy, i mean pure MDMA, the results are usually those people whos eyes are rolling round their head, chewing their head off jar about to come off lol, which is dangerous when someone with that behaviour and attitude takes PMA / PMMA in a similar fashion as its not mdma.


not to say ive never fried on mdma, that would be far from the truth 8)
 
Darksidesam said:
The trouble with UK ravers, is they like to get on it HARD

For ecstasy, i mean pure MDMA, the results are usually those people whos eyes are rolling round their head, chewing their head off jar about to come off lol, which is dangerous when someone with that behaviour and attitude takes PMA / PMMA in a similar fashion as its not mdma.


not to say ive never fried on mdma, that would be far from the truth 8)
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This is what I was getting at. I was wondering more bout the dangers associated with PMA consumption vs. Binge consumption when PMA is present.
 
Not that this is anywhere near proof of its effects, but there's a number of people in the last couple of years who were reported by the newspaper to have taken one to two pills containing PMA who ended up killed or hospitalized. Speculation I'm sure (friends might not actually know how much their friends took), but not worth the risk.
 
It's dirty shit. And usually mixed with other stuff in pretty high doses because the pressers don't know what they are doing, which causes terrible/deadly effects.
 
they (cooks/pressers) know full well what they are doing and that is maximising their profit. in regards to intelligence the onus is on the individual necking the shit. becasue mdma is illegal and people are forced to buy from the street there are no quality controls, this could be negated if mdma was legalised and taxed.
 
They are doing it for profit,that is for sure. But if they actually knew what they were doing they wouldn't add such high doses and mix it with chemicals that make it deadlier. Why not just mix it with inactive ingredient instead, or caffeine... which is cheaper.
 
why not just legalise and tax it like cigarettes and alcohol?

But if they actually knew what they were doing they wouldn't add such high doses and mix it with chemicals that make it deadlier. Why not just mix it with inactive ingredient instead, or caffeine...
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most uneducated kids just want to get fucked up the more fucked up the better. if the pills are strong they are more likely to command a higher price it doesnt really matter what the fuck is in em.

i have no clue about bulk prices of caffeine v pma but id imagine pma is pretty cheap considering its rep. plus it gets people a lot more fucked than caffeine.
 
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^ Not so funny if you ask me, only thing funny about PMA is the name Chicken Powder ;)
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well, as long as one doesn't rely on blackmarket pill with dubous ingredients, it is easy to see this on the light side; but yes, taken seriously it is a horrible desaster wenn pills with PMA / PMMA make their rounds and people are dying because of them.

edit: I just checked the most recent drug checking warnings for my town. obviously, PMA is making the rounds here as part of mixtures sold as "speed" in concentrations up to 25%. other ingredients are amphetamine and coffeine as usual. sounds unhealthy. also bad: piperazines are still sold as active ingredient in "ecstasy" pills! I thought those have been forgotten for good since years... I don't even talk about methylone and 4-MEC. so if one is trying to buy MDMA and gets a cathinone instead, one can still feel lucky that it was at least not some piperazine mix...
 
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If I had access to PMA that was gc/ms'd and lab analyzed, I would IV a small dose. I've read really conflicting things about PMA. One of the reasons that I think PMA is inherently dangerous is the dose response curve and its unpredictability.
 
^ What wouldn't you IV though, lmao? If PMA isn't on the list then I don't know what is 8o


and why PMA..? As I've already said (ad nauseum) PMA is the extremely deadly one that will barely even get you high, PMMA has been said to be recreational by a few brave (foolish) enough to try it.. but, those people who play around with it often end up burned for life.
 
I think I meant PMMA Folley. I know from some information that I've read that one of the two acts almost like an anti-depressant of sorts. I think in the case of either PMA/PMMA and why I would IV is the fact that I can control my intake and if things were to get fishy really quickly I have diazepam ampules on hand. It is something that I would definitely try in a clinical setting with a nurse around. And I suppose I would try it in the name of science. Like I said, I've read really conflicting information about one of the two. From what I remember there is definitely recreational potential, but much like MDMA, the dose/response curve is a subjective ideal. I know I harped on you in the cuddle puddle about being safe, but like I said the circumstances for me trying this would have to be borderline clinical, and I would have to have as much lab info on the substance as possible. :) If you want a list of the chemicals I would not IV please feel free to PM me. Lol.
 
No, that's fine haha. My bad, that was borderline offensive, I meant it in good humor :)


It's just of the only two people I know of who gave either drug any praise, one is dead and the other had a horrible case of serotonin syndrome with a like 110 degree temperature. He now has to wear a cooling vest everywhere.. even in a hospital, I don't think it's worth the risk
 
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