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[Combo Sub Thread] MDxx and other empathogens - MDMA, MDA and MDE, oh my!

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It's about time we got some MEGA threads so we can keep all of the discussion on the same subjects in one place. I'll be creating a few combo threads, the first being this one.


This thread will mainly focus on MDMA and MDA combinations, though hopefully a few more people will find MDE.

MDAI/6-APB/Methylone and other emphathogen RCs may also be discussed, but be warned as these are all new chemicals and their safety profile is unknown. Anyone combining RCs with MDMA should make sure there are no interactions between the two before hand and start with a low dose of each and work their way up. Side effects may greatly increase with drugs like methylone, as it releases higher levels of norepinephrine and lower levels of serotonin.




MDxx + MDxx combos however have been tested by thousands with little harm. Note that side effects and the "come down" may be worse than taking either drug alone, but as long as you are responsible and dose safely there should be little more worry than normal.

Do note that empathogenic drugs will synergize in effect, and mixing one serotonin releaser with another serotonin releaser causes serotonin to release at a higher rate than taking either dose alone. So if you are say dosing MDMA and MDA, you don't want the combined dose of the two to exceed the normal dose you would take of either MDA or MDMA, or even dose slightly under it.




Feel free to share your opinions on if you like an MDA or MDMA heavy dose, previous experiences on combos and don't hesitate to ask any questions.
 
Have had a pill that was clean MDMA with a bit of MDA found it to be a pretty fun night infact I was off my head full eye wiggles munt deffintly better than MDMA alone! Visual distrotions were strong from the peak onwards with that combo due to the MDA, usually hallucinations only start 2 hours or so after the peak for me (and only closed eye visuals) when on just MDMA.

Found it lasted a bit longer aswell, comedown was a bit meh but thats what its usually like with that combo I heard. Have never tried MDA alone though, would love too but not anytime soon for me on a big big break from the old MD.

On a side note have had MDEA on itself - no real peak or comeup, just a gradual rise to a wierd munted state with a bit of empathy but not much didnt really fancy it just gets you fucked up and floored but not really that enjoyable, meth made it a bit more fun but ehh you wont come across it either next to none is produced.
 
2after909 said:
I could easily extend this list but I gotta get going. Bottom line: as long as mods don't move (or close) topics which belong into the mega threads, I see little reason to start additional mega-threads...
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I completely agree, I am hoping if we start addressing this issue we can help clean this forum up. They are bringing in a new Moderator soon anyway, so we'll see where that leads.



A Psychedelic combo subthread should be coming tomorrow for all the "Candyflip" and "hippyflip" questions, and it seems we already have a opiate and MDMA mega thread so I won't need to start one for that.
 
While I agree that megathreads avoid clutter around the forum, they take away from the personal feel/individuality of a thread. Just because we've read and heard the same questions frequently, new users won't know that nor will they use the megathread. Just like we have the 'Six Simple Rules' thread that answers the majority of questions, they still get asked. When users do read the megathread, its unlikely that they'll read through all of it before posting. Thus, you'll still see the same repeated questions in that thread. Also when a megathread is large enough, navigating the information you want is too time/effort-consuming for the typical user.

I feel that just clumping all threads into 1 defining 'category' may make new users feel insignificant and potentially unwelcome to the forum. This is partly how the cannabis forum makes me feel - I personally prefer the individuality and personal feel of threads, regardless of if it is beating a dead horse.

I won't disagree that it could be useful for collating information about the subject.
 
^ The great thing about moving a post into the MEGA thread, is that you can still get the best of both worlds. The OP can post his personal experience and get answers on his own situation, and when discussion starts to die down it can be moved into a Sub Thread and saved for later. If a thread is unique enough it probably wouldn't get moved anyways, but a vast majority of threads are very simple questions that can be answered in one or two posts.... that kind of thread belongs here :)
 
I respect that. Maybe I'm just biased in that all I saw in the Cannabis Forum was every thread just being instantly placed into the mega thread accompanied by condescending statements like 'We have a megathread for this topic...' 'UTFSE' etc etc. Really doesn't make users feel welcome and significant. Granted I haven't been in that sub section for a while, but thats my limited experience with it.
 
MDMA and MDA synergy and dosage considerations

I have rolled quite a lot the last year, too much actually. I have started to space out my rolls more now, but not enough still. It doesn''t really matter to me that much, I have already lost the true magic (only had it 1st, 2nd, 5th and 10th roll), but still all rolls are awesome as hell, or sometimes just mediocre. I will stop using it in a year or so anyway, or use it only 3 times per year max.
Now I have obtained some MDA. I really want to to the MDMA + MDA combo.
To get rolling nicely I need about 150-160mg crystal MDMA, and 180-200mg to get slapped in the face. This seems much but I always had somewhat high tolerance, even my second time half a speaker (100mg , or about equivalent to 120mg crystal) still wouldnt get me going, needed to drop another 1/4 speaker after 1,5 hours to get it going hard.

Anyways, I have a large rave coming up. Last time I used was 200mg (3 doses), and the event will be 30 days from the last time I used.
I''m not really sure about the dosages. Say one has no tolerance to either, would 120mg MDMA be equal to 60mg+60mg or don''t they fully add up and would you need more like 90mg + 60mg MDA ?
Now I have tolerance, and want to roll as hard as possible and get slapped in the face by the stuff, but not that I will be sitting in a corner not being able to move , rolling so hard I will not remember anything. What would you recommend? The last time I rolled I did pure 120mg MDMA crystal followed by 90mg crystal 1,5 hours later and 60-70mg more 45 minutes later, and I rolled hard.

Now assuming I have tolerance to MDMA, and I would want a roll equivalent to 200mg pure crystal, what would you recommend? Like 110mg MDMA + 70mg MDA? Or arent they fully synergistic so you would need a little more than 200mg with the 2 combined?

Will this hit me harder than 180mg crystal because of the lack of complete cross tolerance between MDA and MDMA? Or more of either? I am looking for the amazing body high, music appreciation and intense rushes. A little love is nice, but it is in no way my priority, magic for me is the intense rush with body high, not the love. So other ratio?
I plant to redose once after 1,5 hours with 60-70mg MDMA and 20mg MDA, and then use 2cb or ketamine later.

I have never done MDA (well 25mg once with MDMA with didnt notice it).
 
The two synergize perfectly, you actually would need a bit less than you normally would.. probably best to just take your normal dose of MDMA and apply it to the two though.


I recommend:

100mg of MDMA + 80-100mg of MDA (a strong roll with a good amount of MDA hallucinations, mostly on the MDMA side though)
120mg of MDA + 50-80mg of MDMA (GREAT roll, heavy hallucinations. The MDMA brings up the empathy though, really just makes it the perfect MDA experience)
120mg of MDMA + 50-80mg of MDA (A heavy MDMA roll, less hallucinations and such but the MDA really adds to the experience)



I would dose higher on the MDA than MDMA though.. the hallucinations from a high dose of MDA are AMAZING. The MDMA is really just there to add to the lack of empathy you get from MDA alone, IMO.




I'll probably move this into the MDMA + MDA Combination Subthread I started a while back later today, but I'll leave it up for now so you can get some better answers.




Also, put a little bit of 2C-B (~10-15mg) into a FAT line of ketamine. It's fucking amazing on the comedown. You might even want to throw in 5mg of 2C-B with the MDMA and MDA dose, just to add some color to the night ;)
 
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^ useful information. I am going to try a combo like this with some crystal mdma and powder mda. The only thing is the last time i just had the crystals it wasnt very powerful. I was thinking about trying 120 mda and maybe 100 mdma? Do you think that would be too strong?
 
Dosing MDA, redosing MDMA?

Hello, first of all, sorry for my bad english!

the next week i'm planing to dose something around 90mg - 100mg of MDA, and then like 2 - 3 hours.. redosing 70mg - 80mg of MDMA.

what do you think people? is okay what i will do? some inconvenient? a better way to do?

thanks and cheers!
 
^ Personally, I would take the two mixed at the same time. I'd take more than 100mg at once as well, but that would depend on how hard you want to roll.

like 70mg of MDA and 50mg of MDMA would be a great light roll for myself, the remaining 50mg would be a good redose to prolong the peak. I've listed a lot of different ways to combine the two, you might want to take one of those and scale down the dose accordingly
 
Thanks Folley! i'd probably take 65MDA + 40MDMA.
Because 120mg MDMA is a good dose for me.

Redosifications is better doing mix of MDA + MDMA too?
The emphaty with that combo, will last like a roll of only MDMA or will last less?

Thanks again!
 
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Folley said:
The two synergize perfectly, you actually would need a bit less than you normally would.. probably best to just take your normal dose of MDMA and apply it to the two though.


I recommend:

100mg of MDMA + 80-100mg of MDA (a strong roll with a good amount of MDA hallucinations, mostly on the MDMA side though)
120mg of MDA + 50-80mg of MDMA (GREAT roll, heavy hallucinations. The MDMA brings up the empathy though, really just makes it the perfect MDA experience)
120mg of MDMA + 50-80mg of MDA (A heavy MDMA roll, less hallucinations and such but the MDA really adds to the experience)



I would dose higher on the MDA than MDMA though.. the hallucinations from a high dose of MDA are AMAZING. The MDMA is really just there to add to the lack of empathy you get from MDA alone, IMO.




I'll probably move this into the MDMA + MDA Combination Subthread I started a while back later today, but I'll leave it up for now so you can get some better answers.




Also, put a little bit of 2C-B (~10-15mg) into a FAT line of ketamine. It's fucking amazing on the comedown. You might even want to throw in 5mg of 2C-B with the MDMA and MDA dose, just to add some color to the night ;)
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First thanks for your response and I'm sorry for my late response!
I will be going for the first option.
So:
T0:00 : cap with 105-110mg MDMA >80% crystal and 75mg quite pure to pure MDA powder.
T1:30: cap with 60mg MDMA + 20mg MDA
T3:00: cap with 80mg MDMA

Now I when I take about 300mg of MDMA, and start taking it 5 hours before the show ends, I can make it to the end of the show peaking/rolling hard. I dont like coming down at a show, but there's usually a comedown of 1-2 more hours, so 300mg of MDMA (equivalent to abouut 350mg crystal) makes for a total roll of 6-7 hours (yes some tolerance). Now the total of MDMA and MDA combined is around this amount, but with the MDA, will the actual 'rolling' (so not some speedy after tripping) last longer, because in that case i would drop earlier. I absolutely hate coming down at the end of a party, it ruins the memory for me, so I'd rather start too late than too early.

Normally I drop a medium dose of 2c-b (16-18mg) half an hour after my last MDMA redose (or a low dose when I already took a medium 2cb dose with my first MDMA dose, to make for an interesting journey back home and extending the MDMA feeling. I am experienced with dropping bigger doses (22-25mg at raves so can handle my shit with 2c-b). However, I'm not sure if with MDA in the mix I should reduce the 2c-b dose, as they might potentiate eachother and I might be tripping too hard with 18mg 2c-b and 100mg MDA in my body (well less, a little les than half of it will be metabolised minus the little extra MDA formed by MDMA metabolism). And I dont want to trip hard as I want to socialise and be able to get home. So should I reduce the 2c-b dosage to 12-14mg or doesn;t the MDA potentiate it?

Maybe with this mix I will get a glimpse again of the true magic wich I only experienced 3 times (1st, 2nd and 10th, last one after only a 3 week break).

Lastly will I be able to socially interact. Even on very high doses of MDMA, I am very fucked, but can still talk and be social. Will MDA change this?
 
noone has any idea?
I'm especially interested how much the 75mg MDA taken at T0:00 will potentiate 2c-b taken at T3:30. when normally 16-18mg is taken, what should I aim for now as they both agonise 5-HT2a and I don't want to trip balls.
 
^ You were the one who PMed me, correct? I apologize for not getting back to you.


Personally, I really like taking 2C-B with my first dose of MD. Really enhances the visuals and all around "magic" for me. Your doses of MDxx combined are a bit high, I probably wouldn't dose over 175mg of pure product. I took 115mg of MDMA and 50mg of MDA for my last roll.... I was FLOORED THE FUCK OUT. Not a bad thing at all lol, was AMAZING. But, I was at a home party instead of a rave.. so being floored was perfectly OK.


I wouldn't worry about the MDA tripping you out too much though, I find it really isn't THAT visual. Will make thing morph and you see some crazy shit out of the corner of your eyes.. but as far as classic psychedelia goes, it's relatively light. Perhaps just scale back on the dosages a bit, but I don't really see any reason why this would go wrong.



2 redoses is quite a lot, though. Normally it is said to be best to keep additional doses to a minimum, as they will increase neurotoxicity exponentially. An 80mg booster would likely do little more than prolong the comedown, so perhaps just stick with one higher redose. I found 100mg of MDA to be an AMAZING booster to the MDMA doses I've already taken, but do note that I loved to get fucked beyond functionality, haha.
 
Thanks Folley, I took your advice! It was simply amazing!

I first took 95mg MDMA and 75mg MDA in a cap at T0:00. After 30 minutes I started feeling it. At T1:00 I was rolling pretty hard, and I took another 50mg MDMA crystal.
At T2:00 another 50mg MDMA crystal to keep the roll going. I was going strong, but not very special from previous times, but very nice, I was content.
Now at T3:00 I took another 100mg MDMA crystal with 17-18mg of 2c-b in a cap. Then.... 45 minutes later, in the split of a second, everything around me went extremely bright, sound amplified like 5x in my head, and then KABOOM! I was hit with the rush I had only felt the first few times I did X. HOLY SHIT. I forgot how this felt, last time I felt this was almost 8 months ago, it as heaven. I was hallucinating like crazy (X visuals, so tables and chairs everywhere on the dance floor). It lasted about 2 hours, then started declining. Only the empathy and tingles on the head were not as strong as the first times, but the intense rush and extreme music enhancement (the bass, OMG!) was there again.

So what was this? was this the 2c-b? Or was it the MDA in combination with MDMA? If the latter, why did it kick in so late? Was there not enough MDMA in my body yet (I have some tolerance).

One scary thing happened for a very short time. At one point, suddenly everything around me went extremely fast, like I saw everything in fast forward, so everything moved extremely fast. It lasted only 5 seconds for me, but probably it was like 1 minute in reality. What was this?
 
X visuals, so tables and chairs everywhere on the dance floor
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AHaaaa!!! Love it =D



Yeah, that sounds like the 2C-B to me. 17mg would have been a pretty high dose, hell I just did 6mg on top of some ketamine and LSD and it tripped me the fuck out. It's a potent little drug! Again, I usually wouldn't recommend so many redoses... multiple doses throughout the night have been shown to raise neurotoxicity, exponentially. Overall, sounds like a GREAT night though.. glad you had fun! :)
 
Is 200mg MDMA + 100mg MDA a safe dose? If not,please advise or offer alternative dose

Hi. Do you think it is safe to combine 200mg of MDMA with 100mg of MDA?

I thought of taking the 100mg MDA first, then follow with 200mg of MDMA after 30-45 minutes

or would it be better to take the 100mg MDA with 150mg of MDMA and boost the remaining 50mg of MDMA after an hour?

Otherwise, what dosing (dosages, dose timing window) do you recommend? Less MDMA? Less MDA? Less of both?

Please offer your advice on this combo.Thanks
 
I imagine less of both.. but I have been wondering about this combo dosage myself as I will soon try combining them.

Anyone with experience on this suggest a better dose? I was thinking about along the lines of 140 MDMA + 70 MDA
 
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