Thinking abot taking E for 1s time

Hello everyone,

Tommorow night there will be a major Trance party about 2 hours by bus and ferry away from where I live, which will go well into the next morning.

I've been offered some Ecstacy by my experienced drug-taking friends, and even though I would only take half a pill for my first time, I am worried because I'm just emerging from a long period of severe depression (I have never taken any anti-depressants though) and still feel just a little bit low.

Another factor is that I had a bad panic attack on Monday night after taking way too much weed (it was maybe my 6th or 7th time, had some very nice experiences before this). My heart was beating so fast that I thought I was having a heart attack, was sweating A LOT, felt extremely dizzy (so much so that I could hardly walk, and even fell on my back at one point)...I was so scared I was going to die. I still have a strange sensation from my heart and some very slight, sudden pain once in a while which I have been told is common after a cannabis-triggered panic attack. Anyway, the point is that I'm paranoid about freaking out again and humiliating myself in front of hundreds of people. Is it likely it will happen again?

In case it helps, I'm a 17 year old male, about 5'11 and 60kg.

Thanks

I recomend you to take a whole pill! You will have an awesome time, cause this is the first time, you will be overwhelmed by how good, and how real it feels. Tday you might feel down, the next day you might feel a bit down, but it won't matter, cause you will have discovered something that gives life an extra meaning. Thats my point of view, take it or leave it, but if you do it, you'll have the best time of your life

I have been in a bad depression and I myself was afraid to take any sort of drug... I went to a concert with someone and the person was bitching and pissing me off so much that we actually split. I was by myself and a random guy came up to me and asked if I wanted some... Of course I said, "sure, whatever, fuck it"

The honest truth... I forgot about the other person 100% and had one of the best nights of my life... Im a shy person and I was able to walk up to people, start conversations, I got phone numbers, and went to a club after the concert was over.

So, in the end, for me, it was totally worth it. As elements mentioned, take a whole one... The first night for me, I actually had 4, haha. I danced from 430pm - 6am the next day :D

That day I slept through and after that I was actually a "better person", as i knew how I shouldnt be insecure with myself (reason for my depression)

have fun!

You're 17 and just had a panic attack. You don't need to take ecstasy right now, you got you're whole life (and more brain development) ahead of you.

I'm not going to say this will turn out bad - you could have the time of your life.
Seriously consider getting your shit together before you start taking ecstasy.

If you're going to be dropping at a large event, familiarise yourself with the setting first. Don't be coming up just as you arrive, wait an hour or so after arrival to drop if you end up doing so. This will help lower any anxiety you might feel on your comeup.

You're going to be there a long time - take that into consideration, you might come down and have to linger on for a long time.

Take half, if you like it, take the other half to stretch it out. As always, test/research (www.pillreports.com) and have fun whatever you decide to do.

Use the internet - there are a lot of websites out there to help you learn how to control anxiety and recognise/defeat the symptoms of an anxiety attack.

There's really no way to say if it would go well or not. That's entirely dependant on your reaction.

Things to consider: You're only 17, you've just recently overcome a long period of depression, had a recent anxiety attack on weed, and you want to travel 2 hours away from home to take a drug for the first time in an unfamiliar area surrounded by a bunch of unfamiliar people.

If you're willing to accept the chance that it could go bad, go for it.

you're almost certain to be fine physiologically if you take a pill.

If you decide to drop and feel an anxious sensation just tell yourself its all psychological. if you have a panic attack, its because you're allowing it to happen

detz said:

I have been in a bad depression and I myself was afraid to take any sort of drug... I went to a concert with someone and the person was bitching and pissing me off so much that we actually split. I was by myself and a random guy came up to me and asked if I wanted some... Of course I said, "sure, whatever, fuck it"

The honest truth... I forgot about the other person 100% and had one of the best nights of my life... Im a shy person and I was able to walk up to people, start conversations, I got phone numbers, and went to a club after the concert was over.

So, in the end, for me, it was totally worth it. As elements mentioned, take a whole one... The first night for me, I actually had 4, haha. I danced from 430pm - 6am the next day :D

That day I slept through and after that I was actually a "better person", as i knew how I shouldnt be insecure with myself (reason for my depression)

have fun!

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LOL @ 6am the next day.. that shit is fuuuucked up!

The events 2 hours away you say? shiit, traveling home skat wont be fun, haha, but dont think about that part.

The panic attack on weed? i wouldnt worry about that, weed makes me anxious and paranoid and does that to alot of people. Ecstasys a very different drug, dont be confused by its status as a 'hard drug.' I feel completely comfortable, confident and at ease when on ecstasy, and i did even on my 1st time to. But whenever i smoke weed i always feel uncomfortable and anxious/paranoid. I have a friend who started taking ecstasy before they ever tried weed. When they smoked weed for the first time they had the attitude "ive done ecstasy, weeds a soft drug compared to that, no worries." So of course he went and smoked 4 or 5 cones in a row having never smoked weed before, despite my warnings, and he had a semi-panic attack.

And also, take a whole pill. My first time with e i took the pill in thirds over an hour and ended up just dumping another half after that (1.5 pills) but i wish i had just taken one whole pill.

you better roll with your friends in a safe place before you go to a big ass party 2 hrs away and get fucked up on a drug youve never done before, youd prolly be ok but if youve never been to a party before either its alot to take in

^^ agreed.

I had done e quite a few times in clubs and gatherings at houses and stuff before i went to my 1st rave, and even then i felt a bit anxious at first. Maybe try it in a club or just with a few friends 1st?

Yay, really long post coming up here. :D

It's odd, because you're sort of decribing my exact situation about a month ago. I had just started smoking weed (I'm 17), and had only done it before maybe 5 times when I was introduced to raves. The people I went with smoke weed pretty much 24/7, so I ended up doing a lot of weed my first few raves. But then I went to this one rave, and I got higher than I have ever been in my life, and I got really scared. I couldn't understand what people were saying, I felt dizzy and sick, everything was disproportionate, and at one point I just lost about 30 seconds of time. I was in one place, then I was in another. I panicked and thought I overdosed or something.

All in all... Really bad experience. But the thing is that because of the crew I rave with, I was exposed to lots and lots of drugs and drug deals. So of course I was around a bunch of people selling, buying and taking ecstacy and I got cuious. So I went I erowid and researched to the full extent of my abilities. I read literally hundreds of experiences, different research papers, effects, pros and cons.

What worried me most was that panic attack I had when I got too high, and the fact that a lot of the time when I did weed I got pretty paranoid. To be honest, I don't really like the feeling of being high, so I was really aprehensive about doing a drug even harder than mary jane. In the end, though, I decided that it seemed to be a unique enough experience that I had to try it once, no matter what my fears.

When I got to Global (which was a good hour+ from house) I was given three pills by my buddy who selling. He told me to take one then, take another when the sun went down, then save the last for the after party.

Problem was - I was really, really apprehensive because I had read that it was a really powerful experience, and I wasn't sure if I was ready for something like that. So I ended up just sitting there with 3 pills in my pocket for a good 2 hours. Finally I looked around the thousands of people, listened to the music, saw the sunset and decided that this was going to be an amazing night, and everything was going to be perfect. So I swallowed a pill before I could have any second thoughts.

For the next 45 minutes all I could do was think "Oh jesus, what did I do? When is it going to kick in? Is it going to be scary? What's it going to feel like?" I went around asking people if their pills had kicked in yet and how they felt. It was a very anxiety-ridden wait to feel something. But when I finally felt it, and knew what it was going to be like I realized why everyone told me not to worry.

I'll skip the part about actually rolling because I'm sure you've heard it many times, but let me just say that regardless of how worried and nervous I was - that was the best night of my life. Period.

Now let me take a moment to hopefully try to quell some of your paranoia. I think the thing that seems to worry you the most is that you're going to freak out and humiliate yourself like you did on weed. This worried me too. I have great news, though - unlike weed and alcohol, ecstacy doesn't impair your ability to control your thoughts and actions. It doesn't make you think ridiculous things like weed does (for example, that you're dying). In a nutshell, all I'd say it does is make you happy about everything. People say its a very powerful experience - and it is. But it's not powerful in the same way that getting really really high is. I actually found it to be pretty mild - to the point where if you just sit and think about it, you really can't pinpoint exactly what's different.

On another note - for your first time, don't just take half a pill. Because I gaurantee that once you're done worrying, and you actually feel what it's like, you're just going to regret that you're only feeling half of what it could have been. And I strongly feel that for a lot of people, their first time is their best.

As one last thing I'll say this - you can have a bad experience, yes. But if you do, it's most likely going to be based on your surroundings. Which is why I would say you should wait to take the pill until you're actually there and you have a feel for the party. People talk about feeling the vibes of a party, and I know it's kind of vague, but don't take the pill until you know that there's a good vibe. If the vibe is good, I promise you will have fun.

[Edit] Oh, and I should add. I wouldn't take e in a situation where there aren't a bunch of people around to hug, or in a situation where hugging said people would be thought of as weird.

Wow. Thanks to all of you for the quick and helpful responses.

I think I'll go ahead with it and go to buy the ticket soon. What you've basically all said has made me feel a lot more comfortable about taking E, plus I've read some experience reports here and on Erowid.org and looked up some more info about the drug so I think I know what to expect.

To be honest, I'm actually looking forward to it rather than feeling nervous. :D

Again, thanks a lot.

The whole smoking weed - panick attack thing.. that's what everyone round here calls a "whitey". It could have brought on a panick attack or you may have just mis-interpreted it. Did you're vision start fading? Like a big mass of yellow something coming in from the sides and top of your vision? And you start to sweat out proper hard, and go all dizzy. I find sitting down when that happens to help it if not cure it.

And as for the takin pills after a depressed stage. Although MDMA can help depression alot, it CAN also make it worse. Shulgin gave a dose to someone with depression and it made a life time difference just after one dose.. but then it can always go the other way. If you do decide to take the pill (it's almost guaranteed you're gonna love it) try not to get too much into them as your depression may worsen severely.

Trance + Ecstacy is amazing. pretty much what trance is designed for! make sure you know your pill is the real deal and don't drop too early if you only have 1.

Rick Nice: Yeah- 'whitey'- that's what my friends told me it was. And yes, everything in my field of vision became pale white and very hazy, also I kept seeing these blobs of yellow on my friend's faces, and when I stared into the darkness trying hard to just zone out I saw what looked like a target (the kind of thing you see on the viewing thing that comes out of the water in submarine films) etched into the air. In fact, the only fun part of the night was when I had my head resting in my arms, feeling terrible, and saw what looked like a little boy running along the soil about 20 metres away to my right, bending down, and picking something up. When I focused, it turned out to be a bush with a broken tree trunk sticking out of the middle. 8)


Anyway, I have just been told that what we will be taking tonight are called 'Euros', good quality from the UK apparently. Has anybody heard of these?

Buggernuts said:

Wow. Thanks to all of you for the quick and helpful responses.

I think I'll go ahead with it and go to buy the ticket soon. What you've basically all said has made me feel a lot more comfortable about taking E, plus I've read some experience reports here and on Erowid.org and looked up some more info about the drug so I think I know what to expect.

To be honest, I'm actually looking forward to it rather than feeling nervous. :D

Again, thanks a lot.

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Go for it man, hope you have a great time! It will help cure your depression if you let it.

Buggernuts said:

Anyway, I have just been told that what we will be taking tonight are called 'Euros', good quality from the UK apparently. Has anybody heard of these?

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Check out http://www.pillreports.com

You may be able to find information about these 'Euros'. Also if you're going to make this a regular habit (hopefully not too regular) it's not a bad idea to invest in a testing kit.

EDIT: oops sorry ricknice, missed a line when i was editing that quote

Ive been depressed many times and have also rolled many times. If you do not take alot of e things should be ok for u. by this i mean both not a large dose and not large frequency of use. One thing to remember e can be a very valuble theraputic tool when used properly. so use it for the right reasons not jus wanting to get fucked up.

dont smoke any weed if ur going to roll. actually i wouldnt smoke it at all if it gives u anxiety then its not for u thats how your body reacts to it. i used to smoke but im glad i quit it is nothing special.

hoojoo? i never said that. I've had Euro's on Christmas day and they were crap. Maybe a new batch now though.

be sure to update us on how it went