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The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership

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Have you heard about TTIP? If your answer is no, don’t get too worried; you’re not meant to have.
The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership is a series of trade negotiations being carried out mostly in secret between the EU and US. As a bi-lateral trade agreement, TTIP is about reducing the regulatory barriers to trade for big business, things like food safety law, environmental legislation, banking regulations and the sovereign powers of individual nations. It is, as John Hilary, Executive Director of campaign group War on Want, said: “An assault on European and US societies by transnational corporations.”

Since before TTIP negotiations began last February, the process has been secretive and undemocratic. This secrecy is on-going, with nearly all information on negotiations coming from leaked documents and Freedom of Information requests.

But worryingly, the covert nature of the talks may well be the least of our problems. Here are six other reasons why we should be scared of TTIP, very scared indeed:
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More at: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.html

Seriously fucked up.
 
This kind of shit makes me terrified for what kind of future I'll see when I'm older. What kind of future my kids will grow up to see.
 
I'm not susre if it'a part of TTIP or not but ..

Governments are using tax money to subsidise corporations for importing and exporting goods.. The thing with it is is.. They're importing and exporting the same amount of the same goods from each place.. It's completely pointless.. Sucking money from the poor (tax payer) to give to the rich for no reason.. the food is inevitably less fresh and the environment is taking a huge smack in the face thanks to the amount of pollution given off by ships, trucks and planes just to move 1000 tons of coffee beans from America to wherever while importing the exact same amount from somewhere else across the planet.

There's a TED talk about it all but I've lost the shitting link :\

I'll find it tomorrow...

Meanwhile.. The house of congress has barred scientists from giving advice to the Environmental Protection Agency.. Instead they will get their advice from.. Corporations!

http://www.iflscience.com/environment/epa-barred-getting-advice-scientists
 
LosBlancos said:
Time to get out of the EU as well.
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It really pissed me off that because the EU didn't back down over the bankers pay cap (I mean.. can it be any more obvious who our "leaders" represent?) that it somehow helped UKIP?

Although reading your posts in CE&P you're obviously an ignorant racist who'd suck off Farage if you weren't so (assumingly) homophobic.

The worlds gone batshit crazy.

Here's the TED talk video about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r06_F2FIKM

Or for some easier watching here is a couple of Trews episodes about the same thing (with the same woman)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vdp6IAedWKo

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbOb0kpYUTo

Well worth watching.
 
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Can a mod please change the title of this thread to Corrupt Politics?



£80 billion in austerity cuts.. £81 billion given to bankers as bonuses.
 
Elaborate which part is utter shite??

Maybe the owners of said Telegraph news article you've pulled want to join in the game of "quick, look over there, those dark skinned fellows are robbing us", whilst they continue to rob the tax payer just the same as Google, Starbucks etc etc..

Politicians and the elite are the problem, not joe public, especially poor joe public....
 
^If the UK had a good competitive tax structure that made it attracted destination for businesses, we would be collecting many billions more in income every, at the moment it's an irrelevant debate as we are now impotent Westminster may look pretty but all the power all decisions are made in Brussels and I'd wish to reverse that.
 
From what i can make of it the Uk seems to be structured just right for these companies....
 
The richest 85 people in the world now have more wealth than the poorest 3.5 billion, however you dress that up it's fucking wrong.

Big business is bullshit. The cheap and easy availability of credit is lining the pockets of these people to such an extent they could never spend it all even if they tried. Meanwhile people are getting further and further into debt buying shit they don't even need.
 
ponch said:
The richest 85 people in the world now have more wealth than the poorest 3.5 billion, however you dress that up it's fucking wrong.

Big business is bullshit. The cheap and easy availability of credit is lining the pockets of these people to such an extent they could never spend it all even if they tried. Meanwhile people are getting further and further into debt buying shit they don't even need.
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The poorest 3.5 billion people in the world are struggling to eat, provide shelter for themselves, yet still churning out children at an alarming rate however you dress that it's fundamentally stupid. Maybe some of them will one day obtain a glorious UK citizenship and be flush with benefits, access to the NHS, or a job they're willing to work for significantly less than a native Brit.
 
TTiP is the working through of the long term neoliberal project. They tried the same thing in the 90s with the MAI, but pulled back a bit in the face of worldwide protests. Now they've broken it up into regional bits to more effectively get it through. There are various petitions you can sign (i've signed three) but without more protests it doesn't look good. Our government is particularly bent on bringing it in (remember that fuss camoron was making about that new EU president Juncker - turns out the main reason was that juncker isn't too keen on parts of the ttip (not to say that the bulk of the eu isn't thoroughly neoliberal anyway)). If brought in unchanged, it'll mean any country will be sued by corporations if they try to renationalise anything, like the NHS.

I think it's important to define neoliberalism and globalisation properly as a rampant form of international capitalism trying to replace government with supranational corporate power. I often hear people from the right wing (mostly americans but also some kippers) talking about the evils of the globalists, but when discussed further they describe it as some sort of socialist state takeover with political correctness on the side, trying to take away their freedom to call people names; they're usually against 'government' in general, although that's our only hope currently of fighting against neoliberalism (once we get it democratic again (though that's a big ask in itself)). This is basically a grandchild of the original right wing john birch society conspiracy theories, which saw the UN as a communist takeover (if only).

Some of these people also have the idea that mass immigration policy is some 'cultural marxist' policy of the 'liberal elite', rather than capitalism red in tooth and claw to drive wages down and demoralise the workforce (which capitalist kippers like nigel 'hedge fund' farage should be well up for). Neoliberalism is thatcherism (though she certainly didn't think it up), so people who like her, like many ukippers, should wholeheartedly support it, immigration and all (though to be fair to thatch, i don't think she was all that keen on parts of the overall policy that she was the mindless figurehead for).

As for the idea of the poor of the world having too many babies - countries with higher incomes have lower birthrates, so if you want foreigners to stop breeding so much and stay in their own countries, you should agree with me that the wealth of the world should be distributed fairly (ie be a commie).

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Sorry it's my usual waffle. tl;dr - try george monbiot's latest article on ttip (some petitions in there) (the omnibot: bad on nuclear, good on most else)
 
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Vurtual;12709911 Some of these people also have the idea that mass immigration policy is some 'cultural marxist' policy of the 'liberal elite' said:
george monbiot's latest article on ttip [/URL](some petitions in there) (the omnibot: bad on nuclear, good on most else)
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Nigel "should" be well up for, but he's not.

I won't be giving money anywhere besides the Vatican but I think people should be responsible, don't have loads of children if you don't have money to take care of your previous ones, simple logic. The wealth of the world is already distributed fairly as far as I'm concerned.
 
@LosBlancos - Why give money to the vatican? they've got plenty.

So it's fair that because we happened to be better at making ships and weapons than other countries at a certain point and pinch loads of their resources, then build a finance system that favours the owners of the system and force everyone to join it, that we should retain all that stolen wealth, when large parts of it still derive from unfairly exploiting the resources of other countries.

Eg If africa as a whole were allowed to use their own resources in a way that favoured themselves rather than being fleeced by us via whichever warlord we've installed it would be a wealthy continent (like if they could name their price for coltan, or had the political/economic means to create finished products themselves rather than us sucking out their raw materials for us to make the profit) - or do you believe that racist bollocks about them 'not being capable of democracy' (a handy excuse to cover the west's determined fight agauinst democracy around the world). The experience of Patrice Lumumba suggests otherwise.

The amount of food wasted every day in the US is more than twice what would feed the world's hungry. Check these numbers out. Global redistribution is win-win: the poor countries get less poor, and we deal less with the consequences of the poverty (like immigration) - plus it's just nice to be nice (or it's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice :)).

Edit: Also, are you saying nigel 'private school city spiv' farridge isn't a capitalist, or that he doesn't like neoliberalism, cos he sounds pretty thatcherite to me (privatise nhs, flat taxes, deregulation etc) - there's a strain within our elite who have always argued for a more 'transatlantic' britain aligned away from europe (like airstrip 1 in oceania), including other hedge fund arseholes like james goldsmith - the elite is not homogenous, but don't be fooled: these ultra capitalists are out for themselves (the elite) and not the common man in any way (though they like the ignorant turkeys as they're more likely to vote for christmas) (not calling anyone a turkey btw :))
 
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Vurtual said:
Eg If africa as a whole were allowed to use their own resources in a way that favoured themselves rather than being fleeced by us via whichever warlord we've installed it would be a wealthy continent (like if they could name their price for coltan, or had the political/economic means to create finished products themselves rather than us sucking out their raw materials for us to make the profit) - or do you believe that racist bollocks about them 'not being capable of democracy' (a handy excuse to cover the west's determined fight agauinst democracy around the world). The experience of Patrice Lumumba suggests otherwise.)
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Europeans aren't the only people capable of imperialism. Open a history book and read about the Moors that invaded Spain and portions of modern day Italy. Africans have been just as guilty of imperialism as Europeans and look at these boats full of Africans landing on the shores of Southern Italy even today boats full of all men in their 20s, you would think refugees would include some women and children wouldn't you?

No one is stopping them from using the raw materials to export finished products, all they need is build factories and understand blueprints and engineering. I'm sure they could put together some of the many African Nobel prize winners and they will have a bustling economy across Africa in no time.

I could hardly even stomach reading that Marxist drivel you've written.
 
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