3-MMC 500mg daily for ADD/Depression from benzo use.Danger?Is MDPV an Option???

[Student76]

Hello!


Sorry im not from the U.S. but Sweden.So may be my english is not the best.

I am a chemistry student and 29.I was diagnosed with ADD(not ADHS) because I only can work or concentrate for max.
2 hours a day.

Here in Sweden you have 2 possibilities.Methylphenidat or Amphetaminsulfat(Racemic).

So first the doc tried methylphenidat dosing up to 40 mg retard.
This was ok for 2 weeks,then my thoughts startet running a million times and I became psychotic,and I startet to crash bad.
Next was Amphetaminsulfat up to 60 mg a day.There was almost no crash but 14 days later ich became psychotic again.
He wanted to combine this with a strong neuroleptica (Risperdal) and I said no.So I had to leave him.
Then I started Smoking which helped and clonazepam 2mg a day for better sleep and anxiety.
After 5 years of clonazepam i started to have a sort of severe rebound depression every evening.Antidepressiva of all kinds,and
neuroleptics did not help.I am not bipolar and if I reduce clonazepam my depression lifts,but no sleep,extrem anxiety and ADD.
I dont know why but clonazepam helped my ADD alot the first years.But know ist the cause of my depression.



I then read in a swedish forum about RC research chemicals.
I first tried 4-FA amphetamine,2-FMA,2 FA but always the same pattern 14 days later i became psychotic.


Then I tried a few cathiones.And there I saw a possible solution.
I never tried Mephedrone 4-MMC but here in sweden 3-MMC is legal.So I tried this one.
I bought a micro scale and made 100 mg capsules.This was the beginning.I take about 5 x100 mg every 4 hours
and my ADD is gone without any psychotic symptoms or crash the last 2 years.

I did liver checks and kindney,so far they are ok.I do trink lots of water.But I do not know the long term risks.
Someone said to me, in 2 years I will be dead,an my brain will be extremly damaged because this one is like MDMA ( Serotonin-Releaser)

I do not take 3 MMC for any party only just 100 mg 4-5 times a day to funktion normally. I am not extra happy or so.
But now 2 years later if I want to skip a day or two ,this is not possible because my body is feeling like sickness,vertigo,weakness
and only can lie on the couch if I do not take the drug.

So I don't know what to do.If i go on taking 3-MMC what will or can happen.Is this like a SSRI withdrawal or much worse?
If someone here has any advice i would be very grateful.Or someone has taken research chemical and can tell me
if it's extremly dangerous for me.Especially 3-MMC.I know some are neurotoxic but I don't know which ones.
At the moment I have a job in a laboratory which I will lose immediately without 3-MMC.


I don't know why I had each time a psychotic break with methylphenidate and amphetamine.
SSRI also did not work(the brain fog was much much worse).After 3 to 4 weeks on sertralin,citalopram or paroxetine I also
get extremly suicidal.
Trizyklica like amitritilyne I also had to try 8 weeks long before I got the methylphenidat, with the same reaktion.
And with something like Seroquel or Risperdal i feel like I am not alive anymore(more brain fog then with SSRI)
I crash my car the next day,in work everything doesn't funktion because i only want to sleep 18 hours a day + the extreme weight gain.

So I really dont know.Perhaps my liver an kidneys are nearly dead(i have to go to the toilett about ten times a day)
and often in the Morning before I take this 3 MMC I think how long I still will be alive.But without 3MMC I'm in
a deep depression and severe ADD and can not funktion,this problem I have since childhood.
And zyban was to weak.It helped at 600 mg,but only for 5 month,then stopped working.Well I tried almost everything.

I have lots of allergies,in childhood I took about 100 antibiotics because I always had viral infections every 4 weeks.
That was perhaps the trigger.I dont know.The beginning was in school class Nr.5.
There was a massive change in type face and I could not follow what the teacher told us.

Perhaps someone has any information about how toxic this chemical is to the body and
what a dopamine/serotonine releaser can do to the brain if you take it lets say 5 or 10 years daily?
A drug use on a german forum said to me I should try 5mg MDPV every day instead of 3-MMC? is this an option?


If someone has expierience with 3-MMC or MDPV long term would be great.
I would be greatful for every help.Without 3-MMC i would have killed myself 2 years ago.But side effects are becoming more
and more a problem.Kidney pain,heart,bloodpressure.Opiates did not work like tramadol or valoron.


Thank you very much



Sjögren


And dont tell me to go to shrinks.
They only prescribe SSRI,Trizyklics and neuroleptics like seroquel and risperdal.All a nightmare fore me.I am not schizophrenic.

 

[PowerFarts]

I am taking bupropion (wellbutrin, zyban) 300mg daily and sometimes I think it is not working as well as it should, but when I look back, back to the 'couch-lock' days and the 'brain fog' days, it's then that I realise that it IS working, I just got accustomed to feeling 'normal'.
I assume when you don't take this '3-mmc' stuff for a day you are getting a dopamine crash and it may take a few days to get it back up, I know that when I miss my bupropion I have a 70% chance of crashing within the next 2 days.

I am curious about your research though.

 

[Toz]

4-MMC is a serotonergic and dopaminergic neurotoxin (http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0099002). 3-MMC would probably also be neurotoxic to some degree. Taking it in such large amounts as 500mg daily is bound to cause problems I think. I'd be worried about cardiovascular issues if nothing else, 4-MMC feels pretty hard on the heart.

By the way, 3-MMC was recently classified as a narcotic here in Sweden, just to keep you up to date since you wrote it was legal.

 

[Student76]

Not harder for me on the heart than 600mg bupropion.I study pharmazie in sweden.
There is research of serotonin and dopamin releaseres for Severe depression.
What do you think of 6 APB? look the moleküle is a part of citalpram,so is MDMA a part of Paroxetine.

I do not think if quality is pure,that 3 MMC is more evil than risperdal,dexis,and Paroxetine i took 10 years.Sorry.
Here we already have 2 MMC,for me it works equal.So this will not be classified as narcotic until 2020...The industrie and laws are bad.Only if you cant patent substanzes,you have to ban them as narcotics.Very sad.Ok there are many which misuse them for party and to be high.But if you really want 4 MMC or Methylon.No problem.
There is the dark internet.you can get everything,from france,zyprus,and so on.There are hundreds of suicides on paroxetine and sertraline each year.And a few deadh from rcs.Well first I would ban SSRIs and Neuroleptics.Those destroy only emotions thats all.No normal feeling any more.
I only look for people with a Brain disease.I do not misuse these rcs for fun.

Sorry

 

[Drum]

See below

Student76, this is not a personal attack but you need to put some critical thought into this situation. After reading your three (possibly more) different threads about this specific matter I have some commentary/feedback. You continually ask for advice, and then proceed to dismiss any advice given to you as unscientific after you make completely off the wall claims (I need more dopamine and serotonin, X drugs don't work, I need X drug to function normally). Those who have responded to you obviously took the time to type out thoughtful and coherent responses, and you simply dismiss their commentary at face value. Why even seek advice if you will not logically analyze the pros and cons about what effect your actions will have on your body for the remainder of your life?

Here's the main problem that I see: you are continually justifying your own drug use over and over and over. This is seemingly fueled by your supposed knowledge about pharmacology, psychiatry, and chemistry. You claim to study pharmacology and fail to recognize that 5-HT2B agonism is directly linked to heart problems? I find something odd here, you should be careful and skeptical about what you put into your body, not seeking other drugs to use to combat your problems (4-FA, 6/5-AP(D)B, the FMA series, MDPV, etc.). This especially goes for drugs with a short history of usage in humans, little research into their metabolites/mechanisms of action, and no established safety profile.

I find this to be highly reckless and irresponsible, it's almost as if you have no regard for what you are potentially doing to yourself. Maybe you don't care, but from my point of view you are biased and dismiss all evidence so you can justify what you believe is right. I have noted it time and time again as I have followed the development of your post(s) on this subject. I believe you are playing with fire, it's only a matter of time before you get burned. I have been following this thread and began to construct arguments with evidence debunking several claims you have made in this thread, but I believe that would be a fruitless effort. I do not believe you can analyze evidence contrary to your opinions in any way. You are extremely dismissive and headstrong, I am not quite sure whether or not you are consciously aware of this.

I ask that you critically examine your beliefs and thoughts, put them aside, read my comment, and then reread all of the advice that former bluelighters have offered you. If you cannot do this, or simply refuse to do so, I do not know of a way that I or anyone else can assist you. Your behaviors and actions are extremely concerning and are damaging, it is readily apparent. I really do hope you can take a step back and consider what is happening before you irreparably harm yourself and are forced to live with the consequences. To quote Alexander Shulgin, “You must be careful because sometimes you bend something that doesn’t unbend.” I ask that you question your behavior and critically analyze the advice you have been given, I wish you the best possible outcome with regard to the matter at hand.

 

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