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******WARNING****** - Potentially TOXIC aMT in the UK *********

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*edit* - A sample was tested from the same vendor & it came back as aMT, so it appears this was just a case of OD.

Hi,

Just popping in to warn aMT lovers in the UK/anyone ordering from UK websites that myself, mrcientist and a third friend found ourselves in intensive care/the lovely defribrillating room for hours last weekend with serious cardiac issues and unending seizures etc. after taking aMT purchased from a UK vendor which we previously considered reputable. Pay special attention to vendors over-selling their aMT at reduced prices due to the upcoming ban - the doctors in the ICU and urgent care ward speculated multiple times that it may have been a 'dodgy batch', and had we not gotten to hospital it's pretty likely we would have died.

Please please pleaaase be careful - it was the most excruciatingly physically and emotionally painful experience of our lives.
 
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About 200mg each, which we do realise is high but nonetheless absolutely nowhere near a dose that should cause these kinds of effects :\

It's also worth noting that we're extremely experienced with the drug and have both pushed it to very high doses in the past without any kind of issues whatsoever.
 
ponch said:
I hope you are all ok? Sounds pretty terrifying.

May be worth sending off a sample to a lab if you have any left. Could be of some use to someone in the future.
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Yeahhh, that'd be a great idea were it not for the police seizing it after turning up at our place about a minute after the EMTs announcing we might die. :|
That being said we're still waiting on hospital discharge reports which might tell us if anything else was in there, and if so we'll definitely let you know.

Thanks for the nice comments though, luckily we're okay, more psychological trauma than physical :(
 
Sounds horrendous Pagey, much love to all<3

A stick may be in order, I shall at least pimp up the thread title for the time being
 
Christ!

So glad to hear you are OK Pagey, Mr Scientist and friend...scary shit.

I am just thinking aloud here and I have had a quick search but wasn't off the top of my head the ban the same date as Al-Lad etc around the 10th September or am I wrong?

The only reason I mention this is was wondering if the Police seized it after the ban or pre-ban. If it was pre ban they and it is sill uncontrolled you could technically I suppose ask for it back to lab test..although would be crazy I suppose t bring any more attention to yourselves.You said last weekend so would have been after the ban I assume if my guestimate dayes are right.Sorry just ponderings of no real consequence. Was just wondering what the consequences of doing/having a drug that was only controlled a few days after would mean for those in terms of possession. MAIN thing is you are all OK and that is just an aside..

Scary scary shit...Much love to all. <3
 
Allein said:
Sounds horrendous Pagey, much love to all<3

A stick may be in order, I shall at least pimp up the thread title for the time being
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Thanks for sticking it Allein <3

inflorescence said:
Christ!

So glad to hear you are OK Pagey, Mr Scientist and friend...scary shit.

I am just thinking aloud here and I have had a quick search but wasn't off the top of my head the ban the same date as Al-Lad etc around the 10th September or am I wrong?

The only reason I mention this is was wondering if the Police seized it after the ban or pre-ban. If it was pre ban they and it is sill uncontrolled you could technically I suppose ask for it back to lab test..although would be crazy I suppose t bring any more attention to yourselves.You said last weekend so would have been after the ban I assume if my guestimate dayes are right.Sorry just ponderings of no real consequence. Was just wondering what the consequences of doing/having a drug that was only controlled a few days after would mean for those in terms of possession. MAIN thing is you are all OK and that is just an aside..

Scary scary shit...Much love to all. <3
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Erm well as far as we know it's still legal at this date since we got into no trouble - that being said the remainder of what was left's been destroyed by the police so there's no way of testing it. Our TOX screens will come back soon though and if there's anything in there that shouldn't be we'll make sure to let you know.

If this helps in any way, considering that it resulted in extremely severe serotonin syndrome in 3 people who hadn't taken any other serotonergic drugs recently, our theory is that it was contaminated with another serotonergic agent, fuck knows why. But that's just our speculation, and again, if we get more helpful info we'll let you know.

Thanks for the <3 guys, it feels stupidly good to see that after this kind of experience :\
 
Wow damn, glad to hear you're all ok. Sounds like a terrible experience 8o Thanks a lot for the warning, I know some guys who are likely going to be very interested hearing about this. I wonder what substance it is considering a 200mg dose caused such severe effects. Nasty stuff. Good that this was stickied
 
Glad you are all O-K, if a little shaken I'm sure... <3

Thanks for the warning. Let's hope no-one else runs into the same problems.

Pagey said:
. Our TOX screens will come back soon though and if there's anything in there that shouldn't be we'll make sure to let you know.

If this helps in any way, considering that it resulted in extremely severe serotonin syndrome in 3 people who hadn't taken any other serotonergic drugs recently, our theory is that it was contaminated with another serotonergic agent, fuck knows why. But that's just our speculation, and again, if we get more helpful info we'll let you know.
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Will be interested to hear if anything turns up. It certainly sounds a bit suspicious although at doses as high as 200mg, any adulterant might be much more likely to cause problems.
 
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Out of curiosity I have been trying to find the details about a story, I am sure I read last year about a lab report coming back about after someone became hospitilised after taking what was sold as pure aMT and actually had a high content mix of 6-APB.

While searching I found this reported recent death connected to aMT while there are so few deaths due to aMT use and this story being so recent thought I would just add it here. A lot of conjecture but it does make you wonder if a dodgy batch but of course this article states nothing of dosage taken, previous use/tolerance.
 
third eye squeegee said:
^ re Inflo's post:
If it's the vendor i'm thinking of, they also sell a branded product touted as a 6apb replacement, the ingredients of which aren't listed, but one of which must be amt, as they are including it as part of their amt sale prior to the ban..

It's possible there was a mix up, and that's what Pagey was sent...
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It was a UK article from 2013 and I am still can't find it...and it was sold as aMT pure but had high 6-APB cut..sure I didn't imagine it.

Also I did imagine the date of the bans..it was a mistake based on something I misunderstood HOWEVER it will be extremely soon as we can see from many panic reductions etc.

Here is the actual report re. upcoming bans-no definite date given anywhere on relevant .gov.uk sites etc-report

I think till the tox report details are known it's playing with fire to name or hint at vendor-is it even libelous if on the tiny chance turned out to be pure aMT soon as it is sold as 'not for human consumption'=bloody minefield legally.

MEANWHILE..

Best thing is surely take allergy/low low test dosages-or if people have panic bought huge amounts due to ban even getting it lab tested..we all have welsh friends..

Fucking take care all. It's not a drug I have ever tried so may seem odd me posting but y'knowww...this kind of sticky thread scares the shit out of me for us all. Please do not take this disrespectfully Pagey because I think I am aware how aMT in the past changed and helped you positively and that you were/are very experienced with it but we all have to be less complacent, labeling-mistakes by vendors have and will be made and as for the less 'reputable' ones some couldn't care less as long as the money rolls in..

Miss HR back in her box but <3
 
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third eye squeegee said:
as they are including it as part of their amt sale prior to the ban..
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Sorry to de-rail the thread here.

As far as I am aware, there has been no announcement of any plans to ban aMT or Al-LAD. Merely an advisory letter. If anyone would like to correct me, please provide an official source for said ban.

Any vendor who claims to be selling off excess prior to a ban sounds highly suspect to me. The ban may well come but at some indeterminate point in the future & it won't be immediate. It seems to me they may be using hype over a potential ban as a money making scheme, perhaps offloading other RCs in the process.

Anyway, bar answering my question on the ban... can we please avoid too much speculation in this thread. It is not yet known if the aMT was even adulterated, although it would seem likely.
 
as above click report chatative and without naming sources one UK one clearly states they hope that their stock will last untill the ban (re. AL-LAD)

ACMD REPORT AGAIN
Or is this the advisory letter you refereed to? There are some addendum's too on to GOV.UK site
 
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Yes that is the advisory letter I was referring to. It in no way indicates the stance of the government on said chemicals, although it is likely that some or all of them will be incorporated in a ban at some stage.

I've no idea what sort of time frame there is between an announcement & a ban coming into force these days.

Supposedly draft legislation for banning 5-EAPB was announced in March, with it coming into effect in June 3 months later.

As Pagey said, be very careful of any vendors who are selling off stock in light of a supposed ban.
 
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I can't see how naming this vendor would help TBH, the batch may well be more widely distributed or another vendor may be hawking something even more toxic.

Condemning a vendor feels very much like recommending others to me by default of not specifically, but I do recognise the sentiment.
 
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