Opioids Anyone Still Growing Poppies or Making Tea?

[RecoveringPothead]

I was wandering about this because I haven't seen any posts in a while on the topic.

I'm an occasional user of poppy seed tea. I just found my favorite brand (the only consistently reliable one I know of) restocked in large amounts at the store I used to frequent last year (guess they started noticing ) These seeds also show a high germination rate and yield small but beautiful flowers.

On the issue of harm reduction, natural poppy teas (whether from pods or seeds) are a double edge sword. Potency can vary (especially with the seeds) to a large extent and it is just as dangerous as morphine and other high powered opiates. You have to always drink slowly and know what you're doing.

On the other hand it enables one to have a full blown opiate experience without ingesting pharmaceuticals with additional side effects or resorting to the black market.

I think their popularity has gone down after major online retailers stopped selling them and the prices skyrocketed but they are the only opiates I ever do and I only do it once in a while. I was just wondering if anyone else around here is still enjoying the natural opium experience.

 

[fizzymk]

I have been kicking the idea around for awhile of attempting to grow a small plot of poppies and see what happens, but I am more interested in seeing if and how good the high is from using the extracted stuff straight from the scored pod, Im not sure but I assume this would be raw opium, it may not be as good as heroin, but it should feel pretty good (at least thats what Im thinking), but we are still looking around for a good spot to grow about 10 plants.

Im probably wrong, but since there seems to be so many risks with getting heroin into the US, Im real surprised no one has attempted to just grow fields of poppies somewhere in the deep desert of the southwest..??

Ive heard though that each plant does not produce that much of the particular alkaloid, not sure on how much each poppy plant can produce though?

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

Back when I was frequenting pod tea, I would save bags full of the seeds. I don't know what ever came of that huge bag. I haven't had pod tea in years, I miss it dearly...

 

[Dawglaw]

my neighbor has a big garden full of giant poppies, my roommates and i joke about going over there with a razor blade in the middle of the night...

 

[sekio]

Ive heard though that each plant does not produce that much of the particular alkaloid, not sure on how much each poppy plant can produce though?

Yields are low enough to the point where hiding a few football fields of somnis stateside and harvesting them is more expensive than smuggling it from Mexico... do remember that you need several months to grow the stuff.

I think even with a few thousand poppies you could only produce an ounce of opium in a season tops. And that's a really damn lofty number.

 

[RecoveringPothead]

I have been kicking the idea around for awhile of attempting to grow a small plot of poppies and see what happens, but I am more interested in seeing if and how good the high is from using the extracted stuff straight from the scored pod, Im not sure but I assume this would be raw opium, it may not be as good as heroin, but it should feel pretty good (at least thats what Im thinking), but we are still looking around for a good spot to grow about 10 plants.

Im probably wrong, but since there seems to be so many risks with getting heroin into the US, Im real surprised no one has attempted to just grow fields of poppies somewhere in the deep desert of the southwest..??

Ive heard though that each plant does not produce that much of the particular alkaloid, not sure on how much each poppy plant can produce though?

It is raw opium that comes from the pods. I've read a lot about it but never had success growing anything but a few tiny plants. From what I've read though, you get a much higher yield of alkaloids with tea than extracting the opium because you need so many plants to get a decent amount of it.

My experience with tea started after the online retailers stopped selling pods so my experience is limited to seeds and almost all the seeds are washed now and therefore useless. The only reason they work is the coating of opium latex that remains on the seeds so poppy seed tea is essentially opium tea.


In many ways its superior to other opiates. The high (from the tea) can last up to 12 hours or more. [EDIT: Actually sometimes well over 24 hours although there may be headaches during the last 12 hours] It keeps climbing till it peaks 2 to 4 hours later which is why you have to go slow with it to avoid overdosing. It's also more complex, starting off with a more stimulant quality before a very prolonged period of blissful tranquility.

Luckily I've never been addicted or dependent on opiates. I've been careful to not make the tea too often and if it becomes a pattern a take a very long break. I don't want to go there because people have said the withdrawals are the worst from tea because of the many other alkaloids in addition to morphine and codeine.

I just think its a shame they cracked down on it like they did but this way the pharmaceutical industry has a monopoly on opiates/opioids with the black market being the only alternative all while Mother Nature provides us with a plant anyone can grow if it were allowed.

That's what pisses me off about the government/pharm industry. People who want/need to take opiates for whatever reason must go through them or else turn to street drugs. They are against any herbal remedy that might threaten this monopoly claiming to protect the people, but who are they protecting when heroin is so widely available these days?

If plants were all legal the world would be a much better place in my opinion but that's a whole topic in itself...

 

[pinpoint]

Pharmaceutical corporations such as Bayer still have fields of poppies- some in Spain, but those poppies are genetically modified to yield high alkaloid profiles to suit their needs. You won't find such poppies in your local gardening store.

 

[RecoveringPothead]

Pharmaceutical corporations such as Bayer still have fields of poppies- some in Spain, but those poppies are genetically modified to yield high alkaloid profiles to suit their needs. You won't find such poppies in your local gardening store.

Yes, exactly. Medicine can come from poppies but only after being turned into pills and sold through pharmaceutical corporations, never directly from plant to consumer.

Some poppies in Tazmania are being genetically modified to produce little to no morphine and codeine, only thebaine which is useless until it is processed by pharmaceutical companies into many of the more modern prescriptions.

It's just like those prescriptions made from thc or derived from cannabis. They want to force consumers to rely on an industry that provides products that are no safer or less addictive than something the consumer can grow in his/her own backyard. Not to mention the fact that the FDA has been trying to ban natural supplements for decades now. The most effective of them tend to be the first to go.

If people were allowed to grow poppies and cannabis for personal use everywhere Big Pharma and the tobacco and alcohol industries would loose a lot of sales that's for sure so they work with the government and the war on drugs goes on.

 

[fizzymk]

Yes, exactly. Medicine can come from poppies but only after being turned into pills and sold through pharmaceutical corporations, never directly from plant to consumer.

Some poppies in Tazmania are being genetically modified to produce little to no morphine and codeine, only thebaine which is useless until it is processed by pharmaceutical companies into many of the more modern prescriptions.

It's just like those prescriptions made from thc or derived from cannabis. They want to force consumers to rely on an industry that provides products that are no safer or less addictive than something the consumer can grow in his/her own backyard. Not to mention the fact that the FDA has been trying to ban natural supplements for decades now. The most effective of them tend to be the first to go.

If people were allowed to grow poppies and cannabis for personal use everywhere Big Pharma and the tobacco and alcohol industries would loose a lot of sales that's for sure so they work with the government and the war on drugs goes on.

I totally agree! I have never believed the drug war has been about public safety, if that was true, tobacco, alcohol and many other substances would also be illegal. I always assumed they were concerned more about the money side of the black markt drug trade, but I think you are right, the big pharma companies are in collusion with the feds to keep the war going on.

I always laughed when I saw news video of agents storming in with huge trucks, helicopters, machine guns... ALL OVER POT????? WTF!! I can kind of understand them going after heroin, cuz so many people do die from ODs, but pot? I find it completely crazy that ANY Govt agency would go to these extremes over some fucking plants!

 

[Screaming_Skull]

Sigh... I miss my poppies!!! Back when they were booming on ebay and all the rage on Bluelight back in 08', STILL my favorite opiate to have. Never did give the seeds a go, I am considering ordering some seeds/poppies for when I go on vacations from my Subs..the buzz was always better to me. More of a fan of the opiates derived from Morphine, but all that's around me are the 'codones which are derived from Thebaine and give you a more speedier buzz. Oxy, Subs, Hyro..all so speedy. Sucked to get a batch of poppies that was high in Thebaine content,happened one time and, blah!!!

 

[xtcgrrrl]

I've been ordering poppies all winter long. Right now is the growing season, though, I think, and they're more scarce. You can still buy pods if you want to pay through the nose for them. I'm waiting for my favorite site to restock, their prices are reasonable (not listing prices because of the rules, just saying they won't break the bank.) Meanwhile I'm trying seeds. My favorite site STILL has seeds, I'm waiting for those to arrive, and in the meantime I got some McCormicks to see if they're worth all the hype. I'll let you know in a bit how they feel. I'm titrating up slowly. So far I just feel warm...but that's usually the first sign of an opiate "flush" for me so it's a positive sign. The tea wasn't as dark as I thought it should be, though. I was looking for a nice brown color and just got a tan color. Oh well...I can always make another batch. I'm making it cup by cup instead of a huge batch and then storing it. But I do have some nice positive vibes

 

[RecoveringPothead]

I've been ordering poppies all winter long. Right now is the growing season, though, I think, and they're more scarce. You can still buy pods if you want to pay through the nose for them. I'm waiting for my favorite site to restock, their prices are reasonable (not listing prices because of the rules, just saying they won't break the bank.) Meanwhile I'm trying seeds. My favorite site STILL has seeds, I'm waiting for those to arrive, and in the meantime I got some McCormicks to see if they're worth all the hype. I'll let you know in a bit how they feel. I'm titrating up slowly. So far I just feel warm...but that's usually the first sign of an opiate "flush" for me so it's a positive sign. The tea wasn't as dark as I thought it should be, though. I was looking for a nice brown color and just got a tan color. Oh well...I can always make another batch. I'm making it cup by cup instead of a huge batch and then storing it. But I do have some nice positive vibes

McCormick's has never worked for me and I've heard people say they are well washed these days (most brands are now especially the major ones). Not going to name brands but generally the cheaper the better. I just made 2 brews last night, the second one quite a large dose and double washed them. It was amazing and although I've certainly been coming down all day, over 24 hours after my 2nd dose (a strong one) I'm still feeling the effects to some degree.

 

[Dawglaw]

I never got much from pods. By the time I felt anything resembling a opiate buzz I was overcome with nausea. I have tried two different batches/sources with the same result.

Oh well, probably for the better.

 

[Turk@GG]

I've been ordering (un-washed) seeds from a online business that has some great product for years now and every so often I will make a nice little batch for the night. I use it more often when the big bad withdrawals rear its ugly head. I love it though, for me it's much more sedating (almost like methadone) than your typical opiate high and it comes on slowly and builds. Usual length of buzz is 8-12 hours for me but it will stave off withdrawals for a good 24 hours.

The potency of the tea can vary from hella strong to weak. Usually a darker color liquid you get in the end will be more potent.
Sip slowly until you get to where you feel comfortable.

Good recreational value and effective w/d "med" too! Good thing to have in your arsenal.

2nd washes aren't worth it IMO.....

 

[Jesusgreen]

I'm surprised this doesn't seem to get any mention outside of the Polish equivalent of this site, where poppy seed tea is rather popular as one of the cheapest (and nicest) opiate highs widely available to people - but on that particular forum, users make a habit of noting down the dates, brands, and serial numbers of good and bad seeds, and sticking to the good brands.

IMO while care should always be taken even if using the same brand and serial number this is a great way of reducing the risks, as when you're drinking tea from the same batch of seeds it's much more likely to be a similar potency to the previous batch than it is if you use another batch or another brand of seeds. This is a good additional practice to slow titration to ensuring that you don't overdose by taking too much.

I've always done this and at least here in Poland when I've used the same batch number and same date and same brand of seeds they've always been the same strength - while switching brands or even just batches/dates can result in a massive difference in potency, ranging from no effects to double or triple what you're used to with the same amount.

Just thought I'd add this in case it helps anyone though remember that just because you're using the same batch doesn't mean it's okay to start high right away, although the seeds should be of a similar potency variations can happen since the opium latex isn't always linearly distributed across the seeds - so titration is a good strategy for avoiding harm.

 

[Harrisment]

I've been ordering poppies all winter long. Right now is the growing season, though, I think, and they're more scarce. You can still buy pods if you want to pay through the nose for them. I'm waiting for my favorite site to restock, their prices are reasonable (not listing prices because of the rules, just saying they won't break the bank.) Meanwhile I'm trying seeds. My favorite site STILL has seeds, I'm waiting for those to arrive, and in the meantime I got some McCormicks to see if they're worth all the hype. I'll let you know in a bit how they feel. I'm titrating up slowly. So far I just feel warm...but that's usually the first sign of an opiate "flush" for me so it's a positive sign. The tea wasn't as dark as I thought it should be, though. I was looking for a nice brown color and just got a tan color. Oh well...I can always make another batch. I'm making it cup by cup instead of a huge batch and then storing it. But I do have some nice positive vibes

I can also confirm that pods are still out there .

The pods work well and are nice to have around as a backup when withdrawals are looming. I've tried making seed tea a few times, but really didn't get much from it, and thought the taste was AWFUL. I actually enjoy the taste of pod tea.

 

[JJ-180]

I got a yield of around a gram a week from a few hundred plants over 7 or 8 weeks one average uk summer. Harvesting is quite intensive if you want to maximise your yield of raw opium. (And I just remembered I gotta bag of unwashed seeds in the kitchen.!)

 

[DrOpiumgreenthumb]

Hey I'm a first time grower and now I have my first few buds popping up, how long from this stage will it be before ready for harvest?

 

[geoffreychaucer]

I've always heard it's most efficient to let the pods dry on the plant then crush, soak in water or ethanol and make an extraction. But I understand the appeal of raw opium given the cultural and historic perceptions.

 

[samm2]

I love eating poppy seeds by the teaspoonfull, yum......when I was a kid I went with my folks to Austria(near Hungarian border) where my family came from and I still remember poppy fields there....my cousin(who was working on a tractor in the fields) broke a pod off and poured seeds out for me to eat....amazing how a major psychoactive plant seeds were used in strudels,cakes ect. as a food.