The EADD Mental Health Discussion Thread - Theoretical chat

[ColtDan]

on the subject of depression, proper depression is an empty lifeless shit state of mind, dead inside, or very low, everything becomes completely meaningless, now and again, not so often now, ive been days on end with nothing but suicide on my mind, constantly over thinking it, planned it out and everything. planned it out a long time ago. if i cant be fucked with life anymore then i'll off myself. i see no shame in it, "suicide is a cowards way out" people who say stuff like that need a slap around the head. but then again we all die anyway so live through and see what happens

 

[NightsEpiphany]

its not v brave dan. cowards way out.


There i said it.

NSFW:

suicide is cowards way out.suicide is cowards way out.suicide is cowards way out.suicide is cowards way out.suicide is cowards way out.suicide is cowards way out.etc times about 40.. you might want to spread the smacking about a bit and maybe finish off with a fling to the floor

 

[Marmalade]

This isn't my first rodeo marmalade. My brother pulled the same shit and 8 yrs later he is still alive. I agree with euthanasia in principle but have seen too many lost souls in practice use it as an excuse not to fight and opt out instead.

Eh, cool. My comments last night were about exercising caution for a reason, but I'm certainly not against your approach. I practice the same approach regularly truth be told.

But to do it, you've got to be 100% accurate in your knowledge of the person and their fears/wants/needs/desires etc (as well as know yourself in the same manner, and to the same degree), to be able to do this effectively, for it to work. It's too sensitive and grave an issue to be played by amateurs to put it bluntly. My bro is a key example of how ineffective and damaging 'good intentions' can be when trying to be helpful. We don't get along for this very reason actually. I mean, we get along, because AFK I make sure I get along with everyone, because my life necessitates having no drama due to having to stay focused on pretty key stuff continually, but I don't acually like him because of the unnecessary damage he generates on this issue.

Anyway, relating to your approach to your bro and friend. I once lied to someone real close, about something very key, in order to get them to agree to major (lifechanging/saving) surgery. It really could have backfired on me hugely. But I knew they didn't have the capacity to understand their own reasons for refusing it, or understand that their fears of the situation were irrational, and nor would they ever be able to overcome those two problems themselves (in order to make the best/correct choice), due to the continual stress they'd been living under for a fairly long duration.

I basically took the responsibility for the decision myself, and away from them, in order to make things happen. A totally unethical move really. But I don't regret it, and it turned out to be the right choice. [edit]Just to make it clear, incase of confusion - they made the decision and opted to go ahead with surgery, but their decision was partly made based on a lie that I told them.[/edit]

 

[Albion]

I don't think calling suicide the 'coward's way out' helps anyone. Calling someone who's suicidal a coward is only going to further lower their self esteem.

 

[Marmalade]

^^ this and then some.

This thread is meant to be about support.

 

[NightsEpiphany]

you got them to have the key stuff done under false pretenses.



Did they know they were going to have it done Marmalade?


I'll have you know ive done my utmost to offer suicidal people support over the years Marmalade and Albion.

And had to support myself when mor than a trifle suicidal.

 

[brimz]

^^ this and then some.

This thread is meant to be about support.

That was the idea when i started it .

I apologise for going off topic earlier on btw

 

[Bodda]

its not v brave dan. cowards way out.


There i said it.

NSFW:

suicide is cowards way out.suicide is cowards way out.suicide is cowards way out.suicide is cowards way out.suicide is cowards way out.suicide is cowards way out.etc times about 40.. you might want to spread the smacking about a bit and maybe finish off with a fling to the floor

Guess you never sat on the ledge of a flat 13 floors up looking over & thinking of throwing yourself off or loaded up a 1ml needle with enough gear to do a elephant in & sat there for time trying to get the guts to shoot the lot.

That is the biggest load of bash I ever heard in my life, not brave huh.......
So for example Seppuku was suicide, telling me that wasn't "brave"?.......

Rant over.

 

[ColtDan]

i think she was being sarcastic

 

[Marmalade]

That was the idea when i started it .

I apologise for going off topic earlier on btw

Eh, I was one of the ones that took it off topic originally, so I can't talk Mistah. Me n Rockstar having a ruckus, and Mugz having a big misinterpretation about said ruckus. The thread then eventually evolved into what you had originally intended, thankfully.

My comment re: support, was mainly referring to Alby's post about making judgements about suicide, which I agreed with, and I don't think judgements/comments like the one he spoke of should be accommodated in this thread. Not that people can't have that opinion, cause each to their own, just that this isn't the thread to express those opinions. imo etc etc

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Eh, I was one of the ones that took it off topic originally, so I can't talk Mistah. Me n Rockstar having a ruckus, and Mugz having a big misinterpretation about said ruckus. The thread then eventually evolved into what you had originally intended, thankfully.

My comment re: support, was mainly referring to Alby's post about making judgements about suicide, which I agreed with, and I don't think judgements/comments like the one he spoke of should be accommodated in this thread. Not that people can't have that opinion, cause each to their own, just that this isn't the thread to express those opinions. imo etc etc

I agree, i posted something about suicide, then thought it was a very bad idea to put that in this thread, so i deleted it.

 

[NightsEpiphany]

ironic dan.

I wouldnt judge anyone on topping themselves and i dont believe Gods likely to sling me in an abyss of moulten lava, fire and brimstone for feeling that every second is unbearable torture that i have to get into the moment with and fucking breath. But shit i wouldnt take my word on it. Im ( diagnosed )not God / unwell and get messianic complexes n shit.


ed: ok not shit


im just not ready to be a musapha ok i can take responsibility for leading myself into torment but not someone else if im honest.

 

[Marmalade]

I agree, i posted something about suicide, then thought it was a very bad idea to put that in this thread, so i deleted it.

Eh, talking about suicide is what this thread certainly is about imo ... and this thread is deffo a good place to come and comment supportively to anyone feeling suicidal, especially if a poster is feeling suicidal and needs to chat about it ... but support should be what the thread gives, not judgement, imo. If that makes sense?

I dunno what you wrote before you deleted it so I'm not 100% sure on where you're coming from, but I recon we most probably agree on the issue based on what you've written?

 

[monstanoodle]

ive been days on end with nothing but suicide on my mind, constantly over thinking it, planned it out and everything. planned it out a long time ago.

This has been on my mind for at the very least half a year now. Wake up, cuppa tea, suicidal ideation and then the day just goes along and the thought doesn't leave my mind until I manage to sleep.

I also planned it out to a tee years ago.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

i was agreeing that posting judgements/opinions/random thoughts about suicide was not a good idea in this thread, if that makes it any clearer. I did not mean it the other way : that people shouldnt come here for support if they're feeling like that. Thats not what i meant. Im struggling to make myself clear.

 

[Albion]

MDB's post was arguably glorifying suicide though through referencing past cultures' attitudes to suicide. I think that's why you removed it, amirite?

 

[Marmalade]

This has been on my mind for at the very least half a year now. Wake up, cuppa tea, suicidal ideation and then the day just goes along and the thought doesn't leave my mind until I manage to sleep.

I also planned it out to a tee years ago.

Monstah, tea is my little comfort thing too, tis why it's gotta be just right when made.

Also, doctors is on at what, summat like 1.45 or thar abouts? (used to be one of me Ma's faves too) ... then there's something else on at 7 or whatnot .. then more tea ... then sleeping which can cure a whole host of shit, cause the potential for waking up in a different mood n that, or with slightly less physical pain than yesterday, or better drugs to look forward to just for a bit of relief ...

It's a fucking struggle I know, but eh, even Escape to the Country gives me that little bit of escapism sometimes ... I know it's all mainly escapism, but it's better than the other option, no?

And that's before you even factor in cats n dogs n shit

i was agreeing that posting judgements/opinions/random thoughts about suicide was not a good idea in this thread, if that makes it any clearer. I did not mean it the other way : that people shouldnt come here for support if they're feeling like that. Thats not what i meant. Im struggling to make myself clear.

yes, kinda I think, not 100% tho ;p

 

[ColtDan]

Here is where you can talk about:

What is depression?

Is suicide cowardly or brave?

And other such stuff. If you're looking for support while you go through rough times, go here.

 

[One Thousand Words]

Guess you never sat on the ledge of a flat 13 floors up looking over & thinking of throwing yourself off or loaded up a 1ml needle with enough gear to do a elephant in & sat there for time trying to get the guts to shoot the lot.

That is the biggest load of bash I ever heard in my life, not brave huh.......
So for example Seppuku was suicide, telling me that wasn't "brave"?.......

Rant over.

There is nothing brave about killing yourself for selfish reasons. True bravery is sacrificing your own life to save someone else.

It is more courageous to pick yourself up and keep living when the easy thing is to give up. When things are so bad you would rather hide than face living, that is the time for real courage. Walking into a room with your head high, teeth gritted facing the same heartache another time takes more courage than saying its too hard.

 

[Marmalade]

I have nothing but the deepest respect for those who commit suicide. Cowards way out it certainly isn't.

I have a lot more to say but my brain just spilled out on the floor. Please don't dis people who are brave enough to take their own lives.

EDIT Thank fuck, just seen OTW's view. Now I know I'm on the right side of the debate.

^^ this. Sense and understanding n that .... and no, I'm not promoting it as an option, it's not about that. [edit] because I'm all about the plodding on concept personally, and that's got fuck all to do with attaching myself to false myths like 'god'.

I'd never have the bollox to go ahead and do it anyway, no matter how bad I felt. I totally respect those who 'consciously' or 'coherently' make the decision to do so tho.