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(500mg DXM + 12 cans of beer) - Semi-Experienced- Heavy intoxication

polymath

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So I've been drinking a lot of booze, way too much, for the last 2 years and it got to the point where I already feel the craving for alcohol immediately after waking up and often need an 'eye-opener' drink first thing in the morning to get going. I've heard about NMDA antagonists having anti-addictive properties, so I was interested in trying some dextromethorphan or ketamine in an attempt to lessen my addiction to alcohol.

Four days ago, I had no work for the day and I wanted to get drunk, so I went to buy a 12-pack of beer at 2 pm. Started drinking and finished seven beers by 6 pm. At that point I decided I wanted something else in addition to just getting drunk. I had not taken any drugs other than alcohol for over a year. So I went to the pharmacy and bought a bottle of cough syrup, which contained 600mg of dextromethorphan. I drank almost the whole bottle, about 500mg, on an empty stomach (empty of food, that is... there was definitely some beer in my stomach). Last time I had taken DXM was 6 years ago when I still wasn't an alcoholic, and back then I took only 300mg every time I did it.

I still had 5 beers left and I was sipping on it while I waited for the DXM to take effect. I could feel the initial effects, slight buzzed feeling and all motion seeming 'smoother' than usual in 20 minutes. This scared me a bit, as earlier I had found that it took about two hours to feel the effects after taking the dose. On the other hand, this was the first time I took it on an empty stomach.

I waited for two hours and felt the effects intensifying. Then I ran out of cigarettes and had to go buy some more. The store was relatively close, so I was able to walk there. On my way to the store, the effects really kicked in... I started to have severe tunnel vision, my body felt very light, and it was like me feet were not touching the ground and rather I was floating like 10 centimeters above it. By the time I got to the store I probably had obvious 'robo-walk' and other symptoms of DXM intoxication, and people probably saw I was totally out of it. I didn't seem to have any social inhibitions at the moment, and I didn't even care about people seeing me in that condition. I bought the cigarettes and started walking back home. The amount of intoxication at that point was very heavy, equal to having drunk a fifth of vodka... I was screaming and shouting strange shit at other people walking on the street, similar to how one behaves after taking a hefty dose of benzos with booze, only with no amnesia.

When I got to the building I live in, I took the elevator up and tried to get in my apartment, but my key didn't seem to fit in the lock. I spent some time trying to get in, before I realized that I was on wrong floor, and I was trying to get in someone elses apartment. I walked two floors up the stairs and went to my own apartment. In there I smoked a cigarette and went lying on the bed. When I closed my eyes, I experienced for some time a 'total dissociation' from my body... I didn't even know where I physically was, and in my mind I saw very realistic visions with scenes from my high school years over 10 yrs ago and even my childhood. All the visions were something from real life, I saw no aliens, deities or similar otherworldly things that some describe seeing after a large dose of dissociatives. When I opened my eyes and looked around, I felt like I wasn't alone in my home. There were other people there who looked like long-haired hippie or metalhead guys who were smoking joints. They were purely in my imagination. I don't even have any hippie stoner friends in real life. All the visions had a distinct orange tone to them, like there were something special to that colour.

I was on the bed with my eyes closed, seeing strange imagery, and occationally getting up to smoke and have a drink. At some point, about 11 pm., I passed out. I slept at least a full 12 hours, and woke up at noon next day.

After waking up, my first thought was: 'FUCK it was stupid to mix those amounts of DXM and alcohol', and 'DAMN, was I fucked up last night', but at least I was relieved by getting through the experience unharmed. I made some coffee and noted that the DXM had somehow reversed my caffeine tolerance and I felt pleasantly 'stimulated' from just one cup of coffee. I didn't have any craving for more alcohol that day, so it seems like the DXM at least temporarily had an effect on my alcohol addiction.

Tonight, I'm drinking beer again, so the effect of DXM on alcohol dependence seems to be short lived... I've seen a web page about a clinical trial where there's an attempt to cure depressed alcoholics with a ketamine injection, see http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01551329 .

To sum it up, DXM and alcohol gets you really smashed, similar to the benzo+alcohol combo. This was the strongest intoxication I've experienced for years. I didn't notice any severe nausea some people say drinking on DXM causes them.

Sorry for any poor expression due to English not being my first language.
 
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/drugs_concern/dextro_m/dextro_m.pdf

DXM and alcohol is a combination that should be approached with caution. Deaths have been reported.

I have combined small amounts of DXM and alcohol, but I'd never do a bottle of cough syrup with 12 beers. They do not compliment each other. It is a weak combination. DXM by itself produces a much more pleasant effect. Unless you are playing with very low doses. Same goes for benzos and alcohol. A xanax and a glass of wine is relaxing and recreational. A xanax and two or three bottles of wine is just shit, IMO. Turns people into mindless rambling zombies.

Rather than having DXM and alcohol, try a higher dose of DXM (600-900mg) with some nice bud.

I was screaming and shouting strange shit at other people walking on the street, similar to how one behaves after taking a hefty dose of benzos with booze, only with no amnesia.

When I got to the building I live in, I took the elevator up and tried to get in my apartment, but my key didn't seem to fit in the lock. I spent some time trying to get in, before I realized that I was on wrong floor, and I was trying to get in someone elses apartment.

Sounds like fun.

I made some coffee and noted that the DXM had somehow reversed my caffeine tolerance and I felt pleasantly 'stimulated' from just one cup of coffee.

Yep, post-DXM definitely makes caffeine more intense. DO NOT drink coffee while still high on DXM. It's a REALLY bad combo.

After waking up, my first thought was: 'FUCK it was stupid to mix those amounts of DXM and alcohol', and 'DAMN, was I fucked up last night'

Yep.

Tonight, I'm drinking beer again, so the effect of DXM on alcohol dependence seems to be short lived... I've seen a web page about a clinical trial where there's an attempt to cure depressed alcoholics with a ketamine injection, see http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01551329

I find psilocybin and muscimol to be highly effective in terms of addiction control. I'm doing an Iboga treatment in a couple of months, more out of curiosity than rehabilitation. Apparently, Iboga is the best drug available for addiction control. And it's legal in most countries. You can go and have a Shaman-esque psychedelic-style experience, guided by professional trip sitters. Check out "Iboga Therapy" on a google search. If you really want to beat alcohol, you have a much better chance with Iboga than you do combining dissociatives with booze.

It's fairly affordable. Obviously it's cheaper if you insist on taking it without a professional trip sitter. In which case, don't opt for the TA (total alkaloid) therapy. What you want is Ibogaine HCL. It is roughly 200 dollars per gram. Consumed at 13.2 mg per kilogram. Meaning if you weigh more than 75 grams, you're going to need to spend over 200 dollars.

It's, reportedly, a one dose cure for all forms of chemical addiction. It wipes your slate clean. Doesn't matter if you're hooked to heroin or alcohol. Check it out. The user reports/ trip reports are almost universally positive.

Good luck.
 
Unfortunately, ibogaine is illegal where I live...

My taking DXM with alcohol was basically just a desperate attempt to get drunk without initiating a five-day bender and missing days from work.

For the last few days, I've not had the usual sweating at daytime when I'm not drinking (mild alcohol withdrawal symptom). Looks like the DXM took the worst edge off of my dependence for a while.

Next time I'm gonna take 700mg DXM without alcohol. I think I'll still have a few beers handy in case I get an anxiety attack during the trip and need something to relax. Or maybe I should just start attending AA meetings again...
 
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