Anything that might ideate you to comit suicide (seroquel) is probably...the risks outweight the benefits.
Dood you got to explain this one to me, it seems very surprising but im also interested as i have not heard of this problem before. I apologize in advance for the rest...
But please dont just quote a label warning or random source, i just saw you are a chemist, feel free to tear me apart. I always play devils advocate so im not engaging to argue or protect my preccciiooous Seroquel but rather to see if i can supplement my knowledge as well as to share my experience actually using the drug. Honestly im a sheltered lad that did illicit drugs to form my own opinion, not accept those taught me, as well as a fuck you to the status quo and propaganda, in the same way, i didnt listen to the ssri haters, did my research and it really helped me. So, please no warning inserts like paracetamol causing death in high doses. Here we blame the person for OD on paracetamol but conveniently use different logic where its convenient.
Anyways unlucky for you im on some meth so this is long, but meth powered logical/detailed, fair and my experience with the drug as much info playing to your side as i could remember. The goal is to learn something not win and argument and remain ignorant. Please dont write this off because of this, that would be easy, but is it really logical to assume somebody in meth automatically has no value to add? Or to assume im not lying about the meth, or perhaps somebody else wrote this etc. Bah, im preaching again but i like to review everything as if it had merit and form logical conclusions of value afterward, our emotional bias, preconceptions of something,somebody and our perception of superiority we use to value things we experience, people, situations are so fucking evil, if the devil existed id say this was one if his best works.
Throw that thinking away, even for purely selfish reasons, you wont believe the power to manipulate and atain anything when you do this, but arg, stop tangenting. Ill do another post sometime maybe that wont help anybody due to these limitations (wont take my meth fueled discoveries seriously, even if there is not even any logic there as previously mentioned), even though the answer is right there in black and white, it may as well be invisible. But this amuses me, after all being purposely undervalued/underestimated by being known as meth user may in fact make it even easier to use these skills with nobody the wiser, wish i could say i had planned that, but honestly im not near as clever as most of you guys. But i digress...
Just saying, dont invite ignorance in the door, he will make you eat all your food and make you blame it on XXX race for taking all the jobs and keeping you poor, and you wont even know he is there, a sneaky bugger. Though i know you guys know all about ignorance and its effects directed at you, and be glad, its way better to be perceived as lower, to be underestimated.
I am also sharing my OWN conclusions of this drug based on experience and limited knowledge. I may be way off, who knows, but i love to formulate a logical conclusion before confirming its accuracy to hone my skill in thinking for myself, kicking ignorance in the face, laughing at propaganda and always having the upper hand in any social or work interaction with impact on life. Not glamerous i must admit, since the true upper hand is almost always the exact opposite of the perception of everybody else.
Finally, my experiences with Seroquel
1. For what we are discussing i can say that some uncomfortable heavy sedation into blissful sleep has less chance to promote suicidal thoughts then hours of torment on a comedown. Unless perhaps you awake to the realization that your life still sucks and you had planned to do it anyway (after which im sure they will blame the seroquel)
2. Have you actually used it, tested the effects yourself. What doses? Having used it for years to sleep nightly at 250mg to 600 and about 250mg for a comedown i must say i was disappointed in the effects, my results:
2a) Anything under 200mg was not optimal for me for sleep, i struggle to notice other effects but they say those are at higher doses.
2b) 250mg feels like a lot of anthistamine based drowsiness, notably a healthy way to initiate healthy sleep. I struggle to deceive any other effects honestly. I understand the concept of the drug and to expect perceived negative effects but i dont and still struggle to sleep a bit as i dont get any loss of motivation, disinterest in what im doing, in fact if it made me a zombie or disinterested in anything but lying there or sleep like i expected, i would have been much happer so as to get me sleeping quicker.
2c) Its obviously not a fun way to sleep, like a z drug or benzos, its annoying drowsiness while waiting for sleep, this was its appeal to retrain myself in the normal not fun process of getting to sleep, plus nothing to abuse. Honestly i can imagine this combo of benefits can be very therapeutic and safe way to get back to normal for those with sleeping aid dependencies. Trust: Seroquel may be histamine based for drowsiness but its like no other it will end you fast no doubt. None of the other powerful addictive ones can compare in safety, dependancy free, minimal tolerance, natural sleep, non abusive, doesnt keep me awake as im enjoying it like others and an excellent path straight to using otc antihistamine sleep aids when you want to stop, retrained on natural waiting to sleep and prescription free. Benzos still better? Fck right off.
2d) I have had doses up to 800 and notice nothing but more sleepiness. Their obviously may be effects felt if staying awake but thats impossible. And if some dood committed suicide at this point i promise you that he accidentally plunged to his death or whatever, the sedation and never forget the low blood pressure is like insta pass out even on mid doses.
2e) I am sure that many much more negative could be felt by a person in a certain state, like perhaps manic, very high on meth, and the effects would feel comparatively not so great but these things are known beforehand and expected. If some dood was annoyed that he had no more awesome manic freakouts or psychotic trips and offed himself then i guess we can blame Seroquel for actually working and offering the moment of normalcy expected, which allowed the person to decide to off them self in the most normal state possible. I guess life just sucks to much for some.
2f) I am honestly trying to think of times it affected me negatively. I told psych i wont take the script for small daily dosages, i see no value other then sleep and giving other drugs the finger. There was one day when my bipolar brother was there at my house, arrived with my friend and roommate, i had taken my 300mg shortly before, takes 1.hours to work fully. Anyways my fukin brother is manic or the opposite or whatever and is acting in that calm and utterly terrifying manner when hes freaking out. You need to experience crazy up close to know what i mean, i think the scary thing is seeing somebody else in their skin, eyes etc. I fully admit that skinny four eyed ginger scares me to this day, worried im with him when he goes batty. Anyways, hes chilling on the couch calmly stabbing his leg with a fork and explaining to me the logical reason for it.
At this point i realise some other effects from the Seroquel which i put down at the time to being tired and in no mood for drunk retards irritating me.
I had no fucking desire to deal with this right now
I realised i had a responsibility to assist in some way but honestly 1) Realised i felt utterly incapable (whether i was or not) 2) Realised i didnt give a fuck and the dumb fuck can saw off his fucking leg with a butter knife for all i cared as long as he did it elsewhere and quietly.
I felt unusual negative emotions belittling him (Pathetic idiot, attention seeking, selfish to those around him, using illness as an excuse, and general disgust at this weak less creature in front of me. This was the biggest WTF as i have long since removed any non useful emotions from clouding my ability to understand, deal with, effect a situation to my benefit (curtest less overall emotion, mdma and paxil) and those emotions are weaknesses (ala for one underestimating somebody because of them) so i dont use them. Im not sure how these where felt so strongly due to Seroquel, basically i just hated him for being there and fucking up my life because of it.
ANYWAYS, he eventually wandered onto out balcony, clambered over and jumped off, all i thought was thank fuck he stopped irritating me and also that there was somebody else there to deal with the rest, no time for idiots who do stupid shit like that.
Anyways, i got chewed out for not doing anything and not looking like a cared. At the time i was like thinking logically of exactly what i could have done, perhaps expressed me oh nos with some squeals, perhaps some waving of hands and concerned cries for confirmation of "being ok". Knowing the utter pointlessnss of alternative action i could have taken made me hate the even more for coming to my house and allowing event like this to unfold and ruin my ritual of watching a few series and going to sleep and then worse, expecting me to go out of my way and expend effort intervening in your self initiated hardships!
I blamed the Seroquel when honestly i felt i was apathetic and unhelpful due to being annoyed and very tired, in my home where i should be safe from retards.
I know i would normally have cared and feigned help at least in a normal state, possibly, and while id not felt responsible for any other them, i wouldnt have felt such negative emotions since usually i always try very hard to understand the other point of view.
g) Lastly even with comedowns and drugs, the seroquel seems to stop the drug and move you to completely baseline as your body would be at that point (not very happy after day binge). Honestly i dont know how or why it stops a drug without comedown effects, but it was a most pleasant surprise, like it modifies levels to s specific standard and doesnt just drop them/raise them, killing high levels/on meth as well as comedown/low levels.
h) To conclude, all the effects from Seroquel in my experience lead away from suicide, as its either makes you feel better, avoid pain, and at worst, frankly under the effects suicide would be far to fucking much effort, clearly illogical and you would probably pass out if you tried, no way have the motivation to do it. Suicide needs emotion im guessing (no emotion would make suicide illogical and an obvious emotional overreaction). Suicide needs emotion, ala, emotion is weakness (a good leason i learnt way back already).
i) Id bet my pride (see what i did there lol, but at least now you know mine has no value to me and you wont take that bet, unlike everybody else who would) that nobody suicided while on Seroquel, and if they did then an unexpected something occured based on how the drug works, that the person was predisposed to a neg reaction for some physical reason but i think the more likely thing is some random event blamed on Seroquel due to its coincidental proximity.
Also equally as likely is an accident trying to function on Seroquel. Perhaps some dude was already preparing to hang himself as the Seroquel kicking in, probably thinking less emotionally now like "man i hate my life so much its so... average really, not amazing, not the worst like those Genocide countries, ive got troubles but hell, they wont kill me, directly, hmm logically it seems i may have been overreacting, lets take off this damn noose... Oh noes, feeling a bit feint, getting black, fuck, well i hope if god and the devil are actually real, lets hope this no longer counts as a suicide. Seroquel blamed as evil where in fact Seroquel saved a human soul from eternal torment in the flames of hell. You decide my friends.
What say you nemesis, doth you dare to fault my flawless logics and awe inspiring truths? I am dying to know the circumstances for the suicides you have so i can see if i was right. Joke: And if im not right, im not beyond using a pretty sweet weapon ignorance showed me. I will simply make assumptions about these deaths, that cannot be proven or refuted, until I am right, because right is really the absence of proof otherwise isnt it? I will win this argument and with its rewards further feed my invisible thieving housemate and one day, pass the rewards of these winnings (= assurance that absolutely nothing was learnt or gained wherever possible) down to my children. A legacy to be proud of no doubt.
The lesson? Loose arguments and win: A new friend, an enemy that now underestimates you, an understanding of their motivations and main points of argument (for later crushing and destroying every belief they ever held dear, if you so desired), a way into their lives if needed, to teach you more, the ability to make suggestions, offer guiding in ways they think it was all their idea. But even all that is mostly necessary, just the simple things you learn and dont miss every day are enough.
Lol ok sorry about this long annoying post, hell, its all rubbish anyways, take no heed, tweakers and their crazy ideas. I hope the serouquel stuff was useful somehow and would like to hear more on the suicide stuff my pride could use a boost. Now i need to work on my annoying habit of sharing everything, even stuff i shouldnt, honestly dont know how peeps can work/write on this stuff. I would end up trying to explain to my boss (if i had one of those lol, bah got rid of that stupid career, pension, die with nothing propoganda drivel concept ages ago) why it is logical to not be a jackass to your employees since their work does reflect directly on you and hate/disrespect really doesnt motivate, and then he would think to himself, haha, another sheep that doesnt know the secret to getting ahead is stepping on everybody else). I guess we all think we have the secret eh, lol.
