Bupe Suboxone taper guide

[PinK~cloud]

Hey there,
I've been on suboxone for going on 3 years. In that time span I've tried to quit once, jumping off at 2mg and having a horrible time. Long story short, the clinic I've been going to thinks I've been on it long enough and are pretty strictly cutting me off this month. Part of it had to do with a bad UA for alcohol, but whatever.
I have 35 2mg strips. I've been at 8mg a day, but could probably more than easily jump down to 4 since there's not much time left.
If anyone out of the kindness of their heart help make me a taper plan down to a point I could jump off at, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks a lot all.

 

[chiparoo2]

I used kratom to step off the suboxone and finally it was easy to get away from the kratom but still takes some will power. It softened the wds greatly for me. There are many good vendors online for kratom.
Good luck and don't give up!!!

 

[laCster]

Get the dose down to .5 mg a day, then start taking .5 every other day for two or three weeks or loner if you want, then take .5 every two or three days after your past dose, like if you dosed on Monday, don't take anymore until Thursday...continue that for two or three weeks then cold turkey from there. I didn't experience any wd really besides a little anxiety and aches and insomnia by doing it this way.

Also, I combined 30mgs dxm, 50mgs hydroxyzine or 100mgs spy combined with the hydroxyzine, but if you can't get hydroxyin than benedryl works well too. Stock up on Aleve and also for aches too. I exercised a lot and ate spicy oods during my wd too. However, I was taking lyrica during the ed and I barely felt very slight wd with all the needs especially with lyrics, or eve gabapentin works. I also had didnt experience much discomfort at all cuz of these drugs and slowly tapering. What amazed me was that I was using high doses of heroin and oxy for two years straight and after that I was using suboxone daily for a year...
Good luck

 

[Tony Williams]

Why the fuck do they kick you off? You're an addict with a problem and TRYING to be medicated I just honestly don't understand why they boot peolpe for this? OK my advice is block jump 50% and drop to 4mg for 10 days (should really do 14) then maybe try and do another half? (got like 15x 2mg). So another 10 days now on on 2mg.

Now you're left with 10x 2mg so continue?

50% off = 1mg for 10 days (10mg left)
50% off = 0.5mg for 10 days (5mg left)
50% off = 0.25mg for the rest of the days........

NOTES
- you have a total of 70mg to start with to taper NOW + FAST as it does get harder later and it's better staying on a dose for awhile and it being 1mg or something.
-take the pills UNDER your tounge IDEALLY, snorting them or shooting is addictive and can make you do more than you would normally.
- Take your dose maybe twice a day so start on 2mg morning and 2mg night to keep it as llevel and stable as possble although once a day would be ok.
- although one consern is the BA, if you did IV and were on 4mg/day then you'd only need roughly half that to a 1/3 so you're IV daily dose would be 1.3mg-2mg however you would have take more times a day so 2-4 times eg, 0.5mg every 6hr however ideally Do NOT IV it.
- Another reason not to iv is the nal* most people say insted of a rush they have a delay then the rush a tad weaker probley the nal trying to fight and the bupe just sorts it out in the end like big 'ard monsters smashing down buildings and shooting uzis n shit.................... what the fuck am I on about.
- GET THE SUBLINGAL perfect - another little tip is this, BUY some alcohol (I think ethy alcohol is perfered) but mouthwash should work that contains alcohol and you don't need muich just swival about and spit it (I think 40% vodka) and I only mean a bit so your salvia is coated in it then take your bupe under the tonge from what I have heard the BA increases 5%-10% NOT much but still. Now pill goes under the tonge and just let the whole thing sit there and dissolve properly, I have to be watched by someone take it and I aint waiting 15m/day so I crush it or they can offer water but I think crushing around your mouth or water would mean some gets swollawed.
- 50% is a big drop ideally 20%-40%.
- get some tools for this Clonadine maybe (< MIS SPELT), pregabalin, vitamins, food replacement shakes maybe even fucking some anti-dps or summit to help wds like pregabalin, benzos, ghb/gbl, marry-yo-wanna, even some mild stims and nooptropics would help you. Then fire vs fire Kratom, poppy, tramadol, loperamide/Imodium and exercise and porn.

 

[PinK~cloud]

To everyone who has posted in the thread, thanks a lot for the advice.
To tony Williams in particular, thank you SO much for the long and thought out taper plan. It's exactly what I needed. In response to why they kicked me off, its because I was in "their" program for a little over a year and had two negative UAs for alcohol show up. Retarded but I did cause it. I will start on the taper tomorrow and will follow that exactly. I will have to make sure to not be tempted by taking a higher dose here and there. I used to do that, take a slightly higher dose than normal when I felt bad from lowering my dose.

Does anyone have experience from jumping off suboxone after ~3 years?

 

[PinK~cloud]

Sorry don't know how to edit On my phone.
So if I have 35 left, I should do something like this:
4 mg for 7 days (21 left)
2 mg for 10 days (11 left)
1mg for 10 days (6 left)
.5 for 10 days (3.5 left)
.25 for 10 days
Then .25 on and off until I'm out

I'm so fuckin nervous for this after 3 years of sub use

 

[crestfallen]

You can do it man. It shouldn't be too hard since you have a lot left. You can pretty much jump down to 4mgs/day w/o any discomfort. Stay on each dose for a week. You can jump 1mg every week until you get to 2mg and still be good. Then cut it down .5mg. Once you get to 1mg reduce it by .25. Once you get to .25-.5 you can start skipping days and then jump off. Good luck (im gonna be doing it pretty soon after being on it 1 year)

 

[PinK~cloud]

Thanks for the amazing feedback all. I feel more confident about quitting now. Here's the final schedule thing I wrote up:

4mg by 7 days
2mg by 10 days
1mg by 10 days
.5mg by 12 days

At this point I have used about 32 2mg strip packages. I have 3 or 4 left.
For the remaining time:
.25mg a day (until I run out)
Does this look like a good taper that will leave me feeling little withdrawal by the time I stop? I plan on getting clonidine to help with it all.

 

[PinK~cloud]

Hey all. I hate to bump this, but seeing as I received no responses for a couple days, and the urgency of this post, I dont see it as a problem to bump.
Anyhow, if anyone has experience with kicking suboxone, I'd really appreciate hearing how it went. It's been about 3 years since starting it, so my body (and mind) are hooked on the stuff.
Does my taper plan look like it will work out well? I fucke up and took 8mg (so dumb of me I know), so I have a little less than I planned on. Regardless, I feel like jumping down to 4 and soon 2mg will be fine. I'm just worried about the long ass withdrawal I will be experiencing. I tried to quit once and went back to the subs after 2 weeks of pure chills/feeling of being hot and insomnia.
Thanks for any responses and wisdom shared. I appreciate it so much.

 

[Tommyboy]

I wouldn't get too caught up on a strict tapering schedule. If you put too much thought into it then it may be worse if you are constantly thinking about it. Having said that, I agree with laCsters suggested taper plan, but would stop at taking it every 2 days if you are far enough into withdrawal by day 3 that taking more would just cause you to start the withdrawals again when you could just get over it at that point. Just do what your body is telling you at that point, so if you can take it every 3 days without much discomfort than do it, but if you are getting to day 3 and feel like you can ride it out then do that. Also you might want to get down to 0.25mg when jumping off, so instead of doing what he said with 0.5mg, do it with 0.25mg.

You can simplify things by just taking enough to get by, which wouldn't require that you have much of a plan. All you have to do is make sure that you are down to certain mgs by certain dates so that you don't end up running out while still at a dose about 0.5mg or 0.25mg. To get down to 4mg asap you can just try stopping for a few days until you are in withdrawal, at which time taking 4mg should be enough to take care of the wd's, putting you down to that dose rather fast. It may still be uncomfortable for a few days but will get you to a lower dose faster.

Clonidine should help tremendously, and you can use loperamide at the end to help with bowel issues and the other symptoms it helps with.

 

[Cotillion]

Hey pink I was wondering if you had any other options available where you live? I can't even imagine what stress and anxiety you must be under right now! Honestly in situations like yours there should be steps to be taken before just throwing someone out on their butts, like I dunno maybe lowering your dose?! Start an actual taper plan with the patient? Anything is better than saying thanks for your money for 3 years cya!! I think it's against forum rules to post links to other forums? But if you google Robert sub taper I'm sure it'll pop up, a great guide to tapering. You'll still be facing issues though unless you can find a new doctor/source. I remember that feeling of wanting more sub back before I switched to methadone. It used to drive me crazy. It's obviously all mental as suboxone has a ceiling effect and I knew that, yet I'd always take more until I kicked myself when the realization that it did nothing finally hit!

Anyway I rambled, best advice is either find a new doctor/source but still continue to taper down, or follow some of the taper advice already posted and get down to lower doses as fast as possible, and from there use every ounce of willpower you can muster and only take small doses when you absolutely 100% can't go any longer. The more you do that the longer it'll be between each dose

 

[PinK~cloud]

Amazing responses, thanks all. I think more than anything it helps to have you all affirming this plan.

I couldn't agree more with the point about being pissed off after you took them (extra, whatever) only to realize it didn't do anything more. I've been there, done that more times than I can even remember.

I fucked up and am down to 14 strips. I'm going to do 4mg today, then drop to 2 tomorrow. Hopefully I can do that for 5 days or so (skipping days as often as possible) then drop to 1 mg, then .5, .25 and so on.
I really think the advice about skipping a couple days to put myself in withdrawal will help a lot when dropping from 4 to 2 and so on. It'll help clear out the last doses, and reset my receptors to a lower level.

Im hoping ill be able to procure at least a couple more strips either from the doc or a friend. Thtd make me a little less anxious. Thanks again for all the kind words and support. It means a lot. I'll try to stay positive and remember that I'm young, and my body can recover from this fast

 

[Keweanna]

I was on suboxone for three years and the only reason I was on it that long was because I became pregnant in that time but anyways my dr wanted me off so he dropped me to 1mg and wouldn't go any lower so I just stopped going and then had a hard time jumping so decided to go back and ask him to help me more with a better taper and he refused to even see me. I was pissed so continued to buy them where ever I could until I realized I didn't like myself on them and just decided to jump at 1mg and I used tramadol for a week probably and then stopped that and started using gabapentin which for some reason helps , I think everyone is different when it comes down to it but I had little to no withdrawal and have been off them 6 weeks .. People say taper low but I have heard others say you are just prolonging it and just jump . I say do what you feel you should do and what your body tells you. I think the paws is the worst part IMO

 

[hamwaggle]

Okay A LOT of people are going to disagree with me on this and that's fine, but I attempted a LOOONG taper from 16mg to .5mg over a two year period and eventually relapsed when I was on .5mgs. She immediately put me back on 4mg and stabilized me. I then decided I was fed up on suboxone and wanted to be completely clean, so I decided to stop at 4mgs. In my honest opinion the withdrawal from 4mg was so much easier than being on .5mg for a month. To me I woke up everyday feeling shitty on .5mgs and then would take my .5 and it would just extend the withdrawal. GRANTED I was prescribed appropriate withdrawal medications when coming off at 4mgs which I only had some while at .5mgs. If you can afford to see a REAL sub doctor and not some medicare / medicaid clinic then I highly suggest it. The medications I received were Gabapentin 3x300mg, Chlordiazepoxide (Librium) 2x25mg, Ibuprofen 800mg, Promethazine 10mg for nausea (never took any), and Clonodine .1mg. The cocktail of meds literally made me sleep every night and never really felt that shitty.

You can do it man, I am 70 days off of suboxone and I have never had so much energy, sociability, and excitement about life. I know it seems like forever but I promise you will be feeling better in no time. The only symptoms I have now are soft shits which take months for your body to fix. Suboxone (and all opiates) is like a giant butt plug rammed up your ass...

 

[Cybercake]

.how about jumping off after 8 years? I STILL can't get off the 2mg Suboxone.

 

[i are spectre]

im jumping off after 3 years. my sub doc has up and left. locals are saying he's on a booze bender that may not come to an end. guys real smart, happens to the best of us!

anyway, im leaving in 2 weeks to an engineering school WAY up in the boonies. im talking 20F below zero! sub docs are scarce. the two that i have found (within a hundred miles) are expensive, young (so they want all kinds of substance abuse counseling that i just cannot afford), and just too far away. i have no license see.

i have no choice but to get off. ive been taking 0.5mg doses as spaced out as possible. when the anxiety comes, and i get really really pissed off for no reason, i take 0.5mg and it goes away in about a half hour. im hoping i can get down real low, fast. then, i want to jump to tramadol or kratom. im thinking that may make it easier, but again it might not at all.

i wish i could find these meds like lyrica and whatnot. i would feel strange walking into a doctors office who doesnt deal with suboxone at all and asking for help to get off. im almost positive they would direct me to the sub doc whos far, far away. i suppose its worth a shot.

 

[PinK~cloud]

Im considering doing something similar to hamwaggle and just jump off at 1mg. It may be fucking tough but I want to do at least a couple things to help me with it. I KNOW I can get boat loads of loperamide, ibuprofen, and DXM (in low doses I find it does WONDERS for my w/d). I may do like i are spectre mentioned and go to my regular doctor (one I've seen most of my life) and ask them if they can help me with the withdrawal, and desire to get clean. I can't imagine any doctor totally turning someone down who has a desire to quit these awful drugs. Hopefully they could at least help me get some clonidine, and possibly even something like gabapentin if they are knowledgeable in the subject.

When I jump and start to feel the WD, I plan on taking a regiment of (if all goes well and I can collect them all):
800mg ibuprofen
50+mg of loperamide
~300mg of DXM (only if it gets really bad)
Clonidine
Lots of juice and liquids
Possibly Kava Kava

I'd taper the loperamide 2mg a day until I was off that. If anyone else has suggestions, I'd appreciate it.