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Shrooms vs Acid vs Peyote

MarkRenton

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I know this has been covered before in various forms, but I have a specific question about the differences between these three hallucinogens. So far I have tripped 3 times in my life. The first was on mushrooms, a truly overwhelming experience that left me a changed person (in a good way). The next two were on LSD, which both continued shaping who I am and will become. My question is, what would people say is the main focus of shrooms, peyote, and lastly LSD? From my experience with shrooms, it was VERY emotional and I am desperate to try it again to get the full emotional experience without being scared of it (first time was quite a shock). LSD put me in touch with the inner workings of my mind, how I personally think and observe others and my own self. What would peyote be, something of a combination of the emotional vs the intellect or something entirely different?
 
A lot of people claim peyote is more like LSD than mushrooms.

It's just not as intense I hear.

I've only tried a light dose of mscaline(by eating san pedro in bowls full) and It was a peaceful feeling with mild euphoria and positive thoughts. Since I didn't take enough to trip.
 
I've only done mescaline via san pedro.

Main Focus:
Shrooms: Earthy/spiritual quality
LSD: Analytical/reflective quality
Mescaline: Sensual/silly quality

There is a better word than silly for mescaline, that i used to describe it to someone else but i've having a tip of the tounge moment tho. Basically it's got a sensual aspect that's great with a partner and the silly refers to everything seeming a bit cartoonish and you absurd.

Some of these aspects crossover between the substances, I just find these to be the most pronounced in each experience.
 
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I hear that mescaline is similar to one of the DOx.

I forgot which one, that's interesting I've had cartoony visuals on Dox....
 
technically/structurally speaking, mescaline is similar to all of the DOx.


I know that, well what I mean is beyond being a phenethylamine with similar structure.

How similar is it in experience?

For instance, DOB is similar to DOC in structure but feels nothing like it(even though subjective, the substances feel stratically different).
 
Yes, it's the active hallucinogenic alkaloid, but mescaline and peyote are not the same thing. When you're tripping on peyote you've also got all of the other constituents and plant matter, whereas mescaline is only the one alkaloid.
 
Oh the word i was looking to describe san pedro (mescaline) was whimsical.

From what i've gathered from reading, Peyote has more of a sedative onset compared to San Pedro which is more mdma like. I love the comeup to san pedro and really have no desire to try peyote, but for sure would not turn it down if offered.
 
Whimsical! That's a great descriptor.

I wish Peyote/Mescaline/San Pedro/Peruvian Torch wasn't so hard to come by in these parts.
 
I want to try it so bad, I need to complete the big four hallucinogens to cover the various layers of my mind and beyond. I'm going to smoke DMT in a few weeks with two of my other friends and we're also going to candyflip most likely with 3 tabs and 1 hit of molly. The DMT trips will be the day before and the day after. But mescaline isn't anywhere around here, and shrooms are hard to come by as well (I got lucky the first time).
 
Yes, it's the active hallucinogenic alkaloid, but mescaline and peyote are not the same thing. When you're tripping on peyote you've also got all of the other constituents and plant matter, whereas mescaline is only the one alkaloid.

Ah many thanks cerealbowl, I have a better understanding of this, so lemme see if I understand this and please let me know if I'm off base, the active compound in peyote IS mescaline BUT, the other chemicals as well as plant matter make the experience different than just mescaline alone. May I inquire as to how they differ, this had peaked my interest some how does it differ in san pedro and other plants containing mescaline? Just very interested and curious.
 
where abouts do you come from? I know at particular times of the year, that you can pick shrooms by the garbage bag full anywhere in australia. Just have to understand your seasons. Having first mescaline trip tomorrow night, don't know if i've got enough to get where i want to though so was considering taking a tab or two with it. Anyone done this combo and what's the best way to do it?
 
Ah many thanks cerealbowl, I have a better understanding of this, so lemme see if I understand this and please let me know if I'm off base, the active compound in peyote IS mescaline BUT, the other chemicals as well as plant matter make the experience different than just mescaline alone. May I inquire as to how they differ, this had peaked my interest some how does it differ in san pedro and other plants containing mescaline? Just very interested and curious.

I stated the difference in a previous post, although I have not tried peyote. Peyote supposedly has a sedative like onset that's kind of drifty and dreamy, where San pedro (which i have tried) has a kind of stimulating onset that's almost mdma like with an earthy tone. I think the other trichenorus cacti follow closer to San Pedro's effects albeit some are slight more intense. I don't know if peyote gives way to that mdma like feeling but i'm almost certain it gives way to a bit of stimulation.

I don't get any nausea from San Pedro whatsoever, but at the same time I wouldn't want to run a marathon on it. I can definitely feel it in my stomach it's just not really a sick feeling like I can get with shrooms.

Also I'd like to mention that even between San Pedro experiences i've had a bit of difference in effects. Possibly much of it has to do with the set and setting but i wouldn't be surprised if some of it has to do with varying levels of mescaline and other alkaloids in the different sp cacti.
 
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Yes, it's the active hallucinogenic alkaloid, but mescaline and peyote are not the same thing. When you're tripping on peyote you've also got all of the other constituents and plant matter, whereas mescaline is only the one alkaloid.

Thank you for saying that, so I don't have to.

Peyote contains mescaline as well as other compounds which contribute to the intoxication.

San Pedro also contains mescaline and another set of compounds.
 
I enjoy them both immensely, but recently over the past few months, I've taken acid maybe 3 times and tan whitish mescaline extracted from torch about 9 times allready--there is just something about the ecstatic euphoric feelings for body & mind I get from it--also I agree that it is even more relaxing than mushrooms as DM Turner has stated in the paper below. Mescaline also seems more creative & colorful than acid which can seem more analytical & sharp/detailed. They are both fantastic.

http://www.lavondyss.com/donut/guide/mescaline.html

For example, I can be away from home for 14 hours at my job, come home and take 200 grams of mescaline hcl at 7pm, yet still be able to go to sleep by 4am in the morning--even though I'm fatigued mentally & physically...the mescaline takes me to a state of blissfulness, stimulation & relaxation all combined together--at 200mg you don't hallucinate but you feel mdma type elation, genuine euphoria of a type if you will, I can watch movies, tv, listen to music all night long yet won't have any sense of the "metallic edge" that acid can sometimes cause...mescaline is just so relaxing & feels so good....LSD can also, but I don't think I would be able to drop acid at 7pm and feel as completely relaxed as a 200gram dose of mescaline after a long day. At 300mg and up, the hallucinations kick in slowly, music is a "whole soul experience" similar to listening to music on acid. Mescaline, for me, is a versatile substance just as LSD is--there is more "light" present with mescaline or acid than there is with psilocybin, mescaline & LSD are lucid and forgiving--the mind remains mostly coherent to all that is going on around you while trip.

I don't get any nausea from extracted brown mescaline that has been cleaned up to appear tan or whitish--two 100mg doses taken 1/2 hour apart cause zero nausea...the only thing is that twice I have gotten heartburn hours later after eating a whole chocolate bar or box of buttered popcorn with it...but I just take a peptid a/c or tagamet and the heartburn goes away within about 15 to 20 minutes.

The everclear extract of whole cactus gives me nausea 8 times out of 10, so I've abandoned that crude method since I don't like nausea at all, but it doesn't last long--maybe 1 to 2 hours...it can be avoided by drinking the everclear extract very slowly over several hours I've noticed in my own personal case. The cleaned up mescaline hcl powder is definately my favorite method of ingestion.

DM Turner on mescaline:
THE HIGH:
The mescaline experience is my favorite of the traditional psychedelics (LSD, psilocybin, mescaline). I find it has the advantages of acid: a lucid, penetrating, focused ability of the mind, rather than the more dreamy, drifting state I get from mushrooms. However, I feel totally relaxed with mescaline, even calmer than I feel on mushrooms, and there's no trace of the metallic edge usually felt on acid.

Eating whole cactus produces a more body-oriented high than pure mescaline. San Pedro usually produces a very smooth, flowing experience. However, the effects of Peyote are quite different due to its unique mixture of alkaloids. With Peyote, the first couple hours of the experience are very dream-like, drifting, almost a delirium type state. During this time I feel groggy and sleepy and can do little more than lay back and sink into the feeling, which is not unpleasant. Some element of Peyote also acts as an emetic, making most people nauseous about two hours into the trip.

I find the mescaline experience to be more visual than mushrooms or acid. However, I've only experienced really spectacular visuals when using synthetic mescaline. My high tolerance to most psychedelics, along with the capacity of my stomach, has prevented me from ever being as high as I would have liked when eating whole cactus. Like psilocybin, mescaline tends to link me with collective evolutionary consciousness more than synthetics like LSD. The experiences produced by these natural psychedelics seem more "significant" than an acid high, which is more analytical. An acid high often seems to be a by-product of magnifying the mind, whereas with mushrooms and cactus one feels they are in touch with something ancient, spiritual, and personal. Mescaline has a unique signature in this context which I find most magical, a feeling that the Gods or protective allies are smiling down on me. The duration can be 6 to 14 hours depending on the amount consumed. The "coming back" portion of a mescaline trip is smoother than with the other traditional psychedelics. And I've never felt the "drained of energy" or "neural overload" feeling that can come after an intense acid trip. This allows for a more conscious and therapeutic return to regular consciousness, after which I can easily sink into sleep and wake up feeling refreshed.

Some aspects of the mescaline high are quite distinct from LSD or mushrooms. The visions produced by mescaline have a different character and structure. When being overtaken by a full strength mescaline trip, I've felt more than with any traditional psychedelic that I was an extraterrestrial being, immersing myself in new sensory phenomena for the first time. Where LSD or psilocybin heighten and clarify the sense of hearing, mescaline produces auditory hallucinations, heightening the hearing sense but also causing sounds to be quite different than normal. Mescaline also sharpens the olfactory sense to a much finer degree than LSD or psilocybin. I've particularly noted this in my ability to perceive the smells of numerous different plants when using synthetic mescaline outdoors. As for aphrodisiacal use of mescaline, wow!, it brought energies out of me that I never knew I had.

DM Turner on LSD:
THE HIGH:
Ecstatic feelings of love and happiness, affinity for other people, feeling of being at home with one's self and the universe, flowing visions with more intricacy, beauty, and color than anything found in nature, sound which one can taste and feel with heart and soul, a sense of suspension in time and feeling akin with eternity and infinity, a brilliantly lucid mind able to see itself from vast and novel perspectives, an overwhelming tide of emotions... These are the feelings that are common with LSD and most other psychedelics. One should also be prepared for the negative side: confusion, frightful visions and images, fear of dying or losing control, feeling controlled by and unable to escape from the definitions one has grown accustomed to, or being overwhelmed by the immensity of life.

The possible experiences on psychedelics are endless, and no two are ever the same. In the definitions I give for "THE HIGH" of each substance, I will try to describe the attributes that are frequently felt and distinguish the experiences produced by the different psychedelics.

LSD is the most transparent of the psychedelics. It has the least "signature" to it. Most users report that their first few trips are like a ride through the funhouse. Everything seems bizarre and completely unlike normal reality. After becoming familiar with the experience some people drop acid to perform complex computer programming, perform live music on stage, or do other tasks that require control and a strong connection with the physical plane. Frequent users may be able to blink their eyes, snap out of the high, and see things as they do in regular consciousness while on the peak of a 500 mcg. trip.

LSD's transparency makes it possible to have almost any type of experience. Users may guide themselves toward a particular flavor of experience using either internal focus, like meditation, or external stimulus like music or art. LSD's intensity is also quite variable. A 200 mcg. trip may feel more intense than a 500 mcg. trip from the same batch, and intensity can fade in and out during a session. Generally one will feel "higher" if taking the same amount of LSD, or any other psychedelic, in an unfamiliar environment. One aspect of dosage that seems consistent is the length of the trip. 100 mcg. Iasts me 5 to 6 hours, 200 mcg. - 8 to 10 hours, large doses have lasted up to 20 hours.

LSD has the ability of allowing one's mind to penetrate things very deeply. I find this most prevalent listening to music, looking at artwork, or making love. With LSD one can "lock on" to something like a piece of music and allow it to guide them on a sensual journey through a garden of liquid sound. One can lavish a feeling, thought pattern, or emotion with similar intensity. It's also possible to latch on to negative feelings. If one finds themself on a downward spiral they can usually redirect their awareness to something else with little effort. Most people tend to spend the majority of their experience in a positive groove, because once in it they can remain there effortlessly for hours. The negative aspects of LSD's signature that many users report are a " metallic edge " (a slight grating on the nerves), and sometimes an overbearing intensity that some psychedelics, such as mushrooms, tend not to produce.
DM Turner on psilocybin:
THE HIGH:
Mushrooms produce an experience similar to LSD but with a different signature. The mushroom high tends to be dreamy and drifty in comparison to the penetrating brilliance and lucidity of acid. Users report feeling more relaxed on shrooms, sometimes even drowsy, rather than the speedy, edgy feeling common with acid. The average shroom trip lasts five to seven hours, with the most intense and visually hallucinogenic part of the experience taking place during the first two hours.

The content of a mushroom trip is also a bit different than acid, and as with all psychedelics, each trip is a unique experience. Frequently users claim that shrooms put them more in touch with the "mystery," feeling acid to be cold and linear in comparison. With mushrooms I've often felt that I'm in the presence of an ancient teacher, whereas with LSD, it can feel like I'm simply traversing my own mental pathways.

Mushroom visuals can be magnificent on large doses, especially in a pitch black environment. Many people find the mushroom visuals to be more "organic" than acid visuals. The mushroom visuals tend towards rounded forms, and images congruent with nature, while acid visuals are usually more angular, with kaleidoscopic or abstract imagery.

A large dose experience with mushrooms can feel quite similar to N,N-DMT, (dimethyltryptamine) but with much less intensity. The visuals tend to have the same character as DMT visuals, and I find that I easily go into trance, which is frequent with N,N-DMT. The similarity in experiences is not unexpected since mushrooms actually contain long-lasting tryptamines. The chemical formula of psilocin, the active component of the mushroom, is 4-OH-DMT. See the chapter on DMT for more information on this fascinating substance.

I also find some negative qualities in comparing the experience of mushrooms to acid. The mushroom experience moves a bit slower than an acid high and tends to be less intense. I find it more difficult to break through to a full-on psychedelic state with mushrooms. And the trip can not be guided as easily as an acid trip.

I've used LSD more often than mushrooms because it's suitable to more diverse environments, and almost always produces the expected results. I've felt mushrooms to be more "sacred," and have reserved them for occasions when a more significant, mystical experience is desired.
 
Is this a general consensus? That San Pedro is more like MDMA than Peyote?

San Pedro is nothing like MDMA

San Pedro is more of a wavy experience, some positive energies, some visuals, but everything has always been very mild in nature. Nothing pushy about the experience. I am sure if I took a blast-off dose I would change my mind but so far ime it's always been a subtle drug
 
San Pedro is nothing like MDMA

San Pedro is more of a wavy experience, some positive energies, some visuals, but everything has always been very mild in nature. Nothing pushy about the experience. I am sure if I took a blast-off dose I would change my mind but so far ime it's always been a subtle drug

Thanks
I understand that neither are close to MDMA, but still, one of them IS closer (Peyote vs San Pedro). Also, from my research, I heard the high from mescaline is pretty close to MDMA, plus the trippiness. Maybe it's the dosage difference that made guerillabedlam think San Pedro is more like MDMA.
 
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