ADVANCED REAGENT TESTING: Differentiating MDEA from MDMA

[Ekstasis-//7]

FIRSTLY YOU WILL NEED ROBADOPE, SIMONS & MARQUIS. THIS IS SOLD AS EZ-EXTREME PACKAGE.

Ok so I thought I might post a thread here on my finding so that hopefully others may find this useful. I have tested quite a few pills over the last 4 years with EZ-complete and EZ-Extreme. I have only recently found a method I believe can tell if a pill has no MDMA or MDA but only MDEA. For mix pills it is likely that you may not be able to tell the difference.

Firstly I would like to give a brief description on how I use my test kit to minimise wastage so I don't need massive scrapings or using many drops of reagent and/or buffer. This is most useful for Robadope which does not react in a big way. You want to always keep your lump of powder scraping together because as soon as the Robadope liquid is poured on it can dissipate and the reaction may also disappear. Quite often the Robadope reaction is so mild that there is little or no colour spread and it is only the powder itself that can change colour in a tiny patch. I always use a nice sized scraping then put it into a folded piece of paper. I put the 1 drop of Robadope onto the plate with 1 or 2 drops of the buffer after carefully swirling to mix I then tip the powder in one go onto the liquid on the plate trying to keep the powder together in a lump.

If you see no reaction for Robadope (or at very least believe you have a reaction only for amphetamine and are sure you can tell the difference between the mild amphetamine reaction Vs. MDA which takes quite a bit of experience) then we also move on and make sure we have a nice reaction to Simons.

Once you have determined that you have no MDA you can now use Marquis to tell the difference between MDEA and MDMA. Again this test only works best to tell the difference between one or the other. If your pill has a good amount of both it is likely the MDMA reaction will overpower the MDEA reaction. First lets look at the old original '97 Marquis chart for reference...

I find that these colours are not accurate or at the very least are not a great guide to use as firstly MDxx + speed reaction can make the purple look a lot more reddish. As Marquis ages I find the reaction colour for MDxx does change quite a bit also. I would use this chart more for the time difference. Firstly we have to remember a couple of points here. If your pill is very weak MDxx you will only get a very slow reaction and this test probably won't be useful but for all somewhat decent (medium to high) strength pills this should work fine. Binders in pills are reported to slow the reaction times above, although so far the pills I have tested I have not seen this. I would however guess that if the pill is very large (such as barrel shaped) and not real strong (therefore containing a large amount of binder to MDxx) that these reactions could be slower.

I have noticed recently that MDEA pills much like the chart says will start to show a faint purple around the 5sec mark. The dark purple spread will really only develop around 6-8sec. MDMA I find always seems to react a purple or bluish purple very quickly around the 2sec mark.

I hope this helps some people. Obviously the whole range of EZ-Complete test kits we have here are far from infallible, however something is better than nothing and the more experience you get testing the better you are. I have recently tested and eaten a number of different logo MDEA pills and also MDMA pills that I have confirmed this testing method to work. Lastly as for the sake of credibility and not to leave this question unanswered here's a link about why the '97 Marquis chart is not printed any more: http://ez-test.com.au/faq.htm#q6 Also remember that on top of what they are saying there we are using Simons & Robadope to narrow the possible MDxx ingredients to MDEA & MDMA before testing.

 

[Ekstasis-//7]

I've had to post the link to this thread a bit lately so thought it could use a bump so it's not lost in the older pages of BL Pill Testing Q&A.

Important Update to the guide Just be aware that there seems to be some dodgy pills going around at least in Australia (could be elsewhere too) that have some kind of agent in the pill that reacts black to Marquis almost immediately on contact. I found some White Smiley's I got around 3 weeks ago did this. All other MDxx pills I've tested with a fairly new Marquis reagent have always shown dark purple or at least dark purple around the edges when swirled, this did not just only jet black. I did this test 3 times as it was odd looking to me and one time there was a very slight dark green while reacting. These pills also had no reaction to Robadope and a normal blue reaction to Simons (although a bit weak). After eating many of these pills I can assure you they were very mildly bitter and seemed like a weak dose of MDEA. At first I thought it was MDMA but then realised there was no emathy, no euphoria, no luved up feeling or peak, just a boring, weird feeling where I was tired and anxious and wanted to go home to bed. There was also some mild hallucinations and it basically reminded me of other times on pills I suspect to be MDEA.

 

[toocoolforschool]

Since this is the advanced reagent testing thread, does any one know any ways to tell if a pill is just a carefully calculated ratio of not MDMA mixed together to fool easy test home kits?

Are there any ways to do a simple chromatography with easily obtainable materials distinguishing this?

 

[severely etarded]

Since this is the advanced reagent testing thread, does any one know any ways to tell if a pill is just a carefully calculated ratio of not MDMA mixed together to fool easy test home kits?

The tests show a presence (or absence) of MDMA. The reaction times, fizzing, etc can help you figure out if the pill is clean and of decent strenth. Pills should change color fairly quickly, and once you test a few good pills, you know what to look for, and anything else is suspicious.

Are there any ways to do a simple chromatography with easily obtainable materials distinguishing this?

I wish. The only other way is with $20,000+ lab equip.

 

[steveshutt]

Since this is the advanced reagent testing thread, does any one know any ways to tell if a pill is just a carefully calculated ratio of not MDMA mixed together to fool easy test home kits?

Are there any ways to do a simple chromatography with easily obtainable materials distinguishing this?

That's a fucking excellent question ! (generally about the chromatography... because that could show up a whole range of contaminants.. like safrole.. pipes.. katamine... MPTP ... plutonium (only joking)).

But who has the samples of MDEA to test with ?

...the more i think about this .... is MDEA ever showing up these days ?
I think everyone has puzzled over this issue of distinguishing MDEA and MDMA... but the fact is... MDEA isn't arround anymore. It was a problem in the late 1990s... (in the UK)... but i don't seem to remember anyone reporting EVE in pills for a long time.

Perhaps i'm wrong.. perhaps California is awash with EVE.
I'd be interested to hear.

steve