Speed Vs Speedy E

Ok I dont know if this has been discussed before, I certainly could not find it.
Call me an idiot but I prefer speedy pills to MDMA type pills cuz I love the energy, and I dont need to spend my time hugging all my friends a million times or rushing off my tits. (although often I certainly do enjoy doing these!!!)
But people often say to me, why dont you just snort up on Speed/meth instead of eating a pill, its cheaper?
I need to snort about 1-2 points of speed to get the similar effect.
It ends up more expensive. Why do people say this. I know I need 2 injest more speed than others to get high from it.
why do people say, just get a point instead of a pill? and why is my tolerance to speed so low?! Thanks.
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Your smoking can harm others.

oops I mean why is my tolerance to speed so high!!
high/low Thats a tricky 1

Hi,
Ive had 2 speed pills so to speak (White y2k and Orange Tweety) Orange Tweety was more intense and lasted longer, and some reason less scatterness the next day. And also had 2 lines of speed, difference i found was, the pills lasted a lot longer and i was up the following day for hours, compared to the lines i had, basically had them at midnight the same time i had the pills, went to the club danced all night, came home at 6 went to bed and that was it.
Whereas with the speed pill, i got home didnt go to sleep lasted all the next day, then bed that night, with more scatterness.
Thats my experience between the 2. And yeah if you buy a point to a pill it will be cheaper than a speed pill so to speak
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Later Slater!

Maybe the speed you got wasn't that hot.
I've found speed to be far better than any speed pill.

nah man
ive had shit speed bef0re
but i can also recognise good powder, and ive had enough 2 realise that this is not the problem.

(If you have something to add, then cool, but no flaming just for the sake of it thanks - BigTrancer)
[This message has been edited by BigTrancer (edited 05 October 2000).]

tend to agree with acid here maybe some more user experiences could give us more scope. im interested to know what people think here.
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I could be wrong here but i'll take a calculated guess. I would say that it comes down to how well the speed is absorbed into your system. Snorting can leave a portion of the line coating your oesophagus while a pill goes straight to your stomach and is completely broken down and absorbed there.
BT knows more about this than i do, hope i haven't got my wires crossed, eh.
In a nutshell i think a pill is absorbed in a more concentrated hit while lines tend to be spread out.
Hope that makes sense.
Hey BT can verify this for me, hope i didn't get it ass about.

i like both, but fer very different reasons.
and i have used both quite extensively.
i find that pure speed taken alone gives a "cleaner" effect than a speedy pill does. this is bcos of the "additives" in the pill, alot of speedy pills have abit of acid or ketamine in them. sometimes u get a pretty good speedy pill which is a MDXX mix with speed. all these other ingredients in the content makes the speedy pill more "messy"/exciting (depending on whether u got a good mixture) than pure speed does.
with speed, there is less of a head/body rush. u get boundless energy, but dont feel as emotionally-altered as u would on a MDXX+speed pill. the good thing is that u can be sure u're not dropping unknown substances into yer mouth. and u can be almost guaranteed of the effects. the bad thing is that (for me anyways), speed wears off very fast. it would be very expensive to go out for a nite of partying on pure speed alone.
on nites out, i prefer a gd speedy pill. pure speed is reserved as a backup booster if the pill wears off b4 the nite is over, and we've run out of pills. another use of speed for me is to clear my scattered brain after extensive partying. works like a charm.
sometimes sitting around at home with frens, we do a coupla lines n yak our heads off or dance around the room. when it wears off we head off to bed, easy. (i guess not for pple with speed-comedowns)
jus my personal experience.
*waves little paws*
>'.'<
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~littleHKlaserTriPPeR~

IMHO *alot* of speed pills contain meth when most speed is ....well speed.
Also I believe that snorting brings on the effects faster and harder yet doesn't last as long as taking it orally eg. bombing speed in tissue paper or drinking it (the same principle as snorting E as opposed to dropping a pill).
By the way Melting it's a good point that you brought up. I'm a bit tired of people jumping down the throats of those who take speed pills by saying "why don't you just buy speed". Because often as they contain meth, you can party the whole night away, and enjoy and great chatty recovery the next day. Most people don't keep buying them coz they don't know what mdma is - they choose to coz it's a hell of alot cheaper and a great party pill.
Meth is hard to come by in Syd (or maybe just in my circles), and some people like a touch of acid or K for a spin-out club/rave experience. I agree with their point that you don't know what you're getting and that it can be life-threatening, but i've had the same speed pill source for years and it's not in his best interests to start putting battery acid in them. Maybe I'm spreading a dangerous message but I believe all the facts should be known so people can make their own decisions. So to those who despise speed bombs please correct me on anything or feel free to add anything I missed.
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I think I put most of my long-term ideas on this subject in Loved Up vs. Fucked Up. But, I'll put down a couple of things here that have just surfed their way to the tip of my tongue.
First, by snorting speed the mucous membranes in the nasal passages and oesophagus absorb more of the amphetamine that comes into contact, than by swallowing the speed. Correspondingly, the drug acts quicker. By swallowing, more of the drug is lost through 'first pass effects' in the liver, and is absorbed less efficiently through the GI tract. Often people find if they take speed orally they need up to 2-3 times as much to achieve the same effect, though this is not true in all cases.
Second, with regards to the speed seeming to be weaker, or wearing off quicker, I think that is due to a couple of reasons. With a "speedy" pill (meaning one that actually gives an orange result to a standard Marquis test, not just one that isn't MDMA), sometimes it is apparent that the head rushes, and body buzzes last for an extended amount of time. This could be due to the presence of a good amount of meth/amphetamine, pseudo/ephedrine, caffeine, or any other dirty stimulant that is thrown into the mix. I think I remember a post by Biscuit about Dexies that dealt with this a little, (and yes I just tried searching for it but after nearly 20min waiting for one search to process I decided that this slow computer sucks far too much arse) I'll try and remember as much as I can. With a clean CNS stimulant (for example dexamphetamine, or d-amphetamine) there should be little peripheral nervous system stimulation, ie. the boundless energy is there, but there is little noticeable headrush or dangerous blood pressure increase. With speed on the other hand, these peripheral effects are much more noticeable due to a slightly different mechanism of actions (ie. speed, l-amphetamine as compared with dexies, d-amphetamine - I think).
My impressions of the physical effects of speed are that if you have a decent amount then you experience a real rush for between 15-60 minutes, which then fades away leaving you clear headed and full of energy. The rush subsiding could be mistaken for the speed 'wearing off' but from my experience the CNS effects from the speed will persist well into the next day. While there is no alteration of consciousness or feeling of the rush, the energy and lack of need for sleep are present for ages.
While the quality of both speed and speed-based pills can vary widely, I think that it's one of those situations where different people perceive different effects from the same drugs. I guess it's up to you what you prefer, I know that personally I'd rather try to measure the dose by taking speed alone, then add in any other alteration of consciousness in a 'controlled' way (is there such a thing?) by adding other chemicals in known doses, particularly when mixing with previously consumed chemicals. For example if you'd had some MDMA and then wanted a speed pick-me-up, I think it would be better to take speed, than drop a speedbomb because you just never know what's in them that could combine badly with what you've already had. If someone gave you a speedbomb containing DXM or viagra, it might make your heart race and blood pressure rise and get you 'fucked up' under normal circumstances, but could do so at dangerous levels if you've already had other amphetamines etc.
An alternative to a speedbomb for a good cheap fun night could be the lovely combination of speed, alcohol and thc. Care is advised, so you don't get too messy, but I reckon a few cones and lines work wonders. You get just as fucked up as you want, and then the goey stops you from falling asleep too.
BigTrancer
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I don't want to sound paranoid, but just consider how much of what you're writing could help send you to Jail.

Maybe you should buy some meth and see what thats like. You could find out all you need is 20bucks worth of meth to get the same buzz you get from a 50 pill.
I just don't like the idea of people supporting polluted pills in a polluted market. No offence intended.

i think BigTrancer put it so well. His description of what speed does (or should do) when he's talking about the rush, and then the energy afterwards is exactly right for me.
whoever started this post, im sorry, but this time get some good speed before you start assuming that speed pills are better then speed. You obviously have gear that is VERY VERY cut.
Ghost: when you say pure speed, do you just mean speed in the form of powder, or do you actually mean *PURE* speed?
oh yeah, weed + speed is definetely some mad shit!!

BT: Yeah u remembered it well, it was a thread about dexies:
Basically d-amphetamine:
4 times the potency on the CNS than
l-amphetamine, and little stimulation of the PNS; hence it makes sense that this is prescribed to ADD kids, otherwise u would have all sorts of high BP problems, body rushes etc.
l-amphetamine is predominately a PNS stimulant.
Hence speed is generally a D AND L mixture, hence u get both effects, CNS stimulation and the familiar body rushes, jaw clenching etc.
Perhaps this person should try a snorting/oral combo. You get the rush of snorting, but by also taking some speed orally you get the benefits of a longer effect.
The reason you prob feel the speed pill lasts longer is coz its been broken down more slowly in the stomach, instead of going all up the nose at once.

We don't support speed pills being promoted as "ecstasy", this is one of the main reasons people use "E" testers - because they don;t want to get sold something and told its something different. Which is usually what happens. If they're pure speed and being marketed as that - then I think it's ok. But that's never going to happen, because I don't understand why cookers (eheheehe)would press speed into a pill rather than just selling it as speed. If they only interested in speed and selling speed then they'd do that - if they were interested in dabbling in a bit of ecstasy sales they could do that. so yeah - i don't think speed pills are made with good intent. I think they're made to fool a lot of the people thy're being sold to.
Does this make sense? Because I just had a welcome home cone (been away for about 4.5 weeks now) from my own bong *sigh*. but i seriously mean everything I said. I just may not have been able to express it properly. Heh. Yeah.

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right right.
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"for all you rave poppers we cast a shadow on your face
learn the history and then take your fucking drum and your bass"
- People Under The Stairs "Asshole"

un fortunately canberra is dominated by a speed pill market, so alot of ppl out on a supposed "e" are just speeding away, many of my friends have still not tried a real mdma pill even after 40 odd difff ones.
i took a friend out this weekend on one of those lovely versace's and she liked it bu5t was "dissapointed in the lack of energy they had" i personally think the comeon scared her a little for her first real pill
any way just my two cents i rekon if youre gunna speed than speed on meth

in response to mona's comment about speed pills being made with ill intent.. i agree. but i have found recently that ppl are coming to terms with the fact that 'pills' don't mean "XTC" these days.
when i first became involved with XTC it was assumed that anyone taking 'pills' was taking E. but these days u cannot just ask someone if they are on a 'pill' nemore, you have to be substance specific. granted that some ppl will tell you they are "peaking-out-of-their-minds" when they are doing nothing more than speeding, but a lot of ppl will now tell you whether they bought a speed pill or a smacky pill.
so this has led me to beleive that whilst ppl still don't know their mdma/mdea/mda back to front, they have learnt to recognise their speed pills. both by the market prices, $25 v $45, and by the effects.
also DD's have even become more truthful recently, in my experience, in regards to imports/locals, mdma/speed pills. and you can also determine this by the price.
so the words "a-good-pill" mean nothing these days. there are good speed pills out there that will make you feel really good, and help you dance all night. there are good mdma pills which will send you to heaven, although many ppl dont seem keen on these because they relate the 'smacky' feeling to a 'bad' pill. but it's their loss. and there are also good combination pills out there, including pills known to be locally made. i'm talking about the ones that love you up with euphoria yet are not quite normal mdma pills... the ones ppl describe as "trippy" or "mongy". i dont know about the presence of acid in pills, or how many K pills go around... but there are surely other active ingredients in some of the pills that test black and orange.
also to mona.. i think the cookers would press their speed into pills bcoz pills are definitely the drug of the moment, they are the latest craze. i know ppl who are reluctant to snort powders but drop pills like panadols....
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if the journey's fun, it's well worth taking.

I totally agree with everything you said Fat Tony. I have seen myself over the last couple of months especially that a whole heap of my friends in Sydney and Bathurst are using testers etc that never used to. In fact it would be safe to say the most of the people I know now are getting tested pills or looking up pillreports.com.
Its a good thing and a nice feeling to see that I have had such a big influence/impact for the active interest alot of my friends are taking in what they're getting in their pills. Me and my big mouth can do some good some of the time
It's nice to know that we are all collectively making a difference in the market by just coming to Bluelight and informing our friends of the things we learn here. I guess, being in Australia (rather than say USA) we can notice the effect we're having just a little bit more.
Just imagine what it's going to be like once we get the stalls happening!
*PROUD GRIN*
cheers,
mona.
[This message has been edited by mona (edited 08 October 2000).]

I support ACID_REIGNS comments.
You people are ruining the market for those of us who enjoy MDMA pills.
I would say, in the majority of circumstances, that speed pills are produced out of substances you would rather not know about. They are damaging to your health.
MDMA is a classy, clean drug. Aussie speed pills are like dirt. There is no quality, and paying for them is a joke. I have no problem paying $40 for an mdma pill. I would value an aussie pill as something youd pay me to take.
Realise what youre all doing,
Its sad.