Advice for new(ish) user re:experiences so far...

Hi all.

*** short version :

Basically I feel as though every time since the first two times I have had Mdma, the experience has fallen well short of what I'd hoped.

Is it possible to 'override' the experience with prejudice? Can you get a tolerance after a few very spaced apart rolls?


*** Long version :

Let me explain...

Sorry if this ends up being a longish post but I am hoping to get peoples opinions on some experiences so far.

First time I tried Mdma was an unknown pill taken in halves when I was drunk at a friends party. After taking a half, in ~40 min I noticed that I seemed no longer 'drunk', and quite clear headed, after the next half I was very talkative and happy for about 4 - 5 hours. No real 'peak' in this experience but very cruisy and happy the whole night. No comedown to speak of. A good friend had the same as me and also had a ball.

Next time (late Aug 04 ~5 months later) was the best time by far, taken with same friend and s/o, whitish pill this time, did not test or check the logo (a bit ignorant at the time). In a good mood at the start of the night but nad no super expectations. I was much higher than the last time, and had taken a whole. Much more tactile sensation, dancing with s/o was unbelievable, felt on top of the world and couldnt stop smiling. Very clean comedown and was feeling great all next day (apart from being tired).

Now I should mention that during the end of this roll something (a situation) happened that made me want to 'snap back to reality' and try to regain control of my ego. I basically had to 'think' my way through a few things at the time and seemed to come out ok. How I felt duning this situation came to be what I felt every consequent time I have had it.

Ok, .. still with me? .. now heres where it gets interesting...

1 Month later, same 3 people as previous time, this time with the infamous Red Mitsubishi (before the anti-hype), had as a whole. All 3 of us felt anxious and a bit meh at the start of the night, and no matter what happened during the night, we never got happy anything above mildly content. A lot of jaw clenching, we all felt smashed yet sober at the same time! Comedown was weird, with all the hype the next day and us 3 getting paranoid (due to ignorance). Other friends had the Red M (same batch went all night and had a ball (although they were very drunk to start with).

Now I'll summarize from here:

Everything my s/o and I have had since then, has been similar experience wise for us, in that we get slightly talkative, jaw clenches, a little content, but feel little excitement or love or even tactile sensations compared to the first two times!

I know it is supposed to be "the first time is always the best" but surely not to the point of the consequent times are almost uncomparable?

We got an EZ test kit (marquis and mandelin) straight after the Red M, and have tested ever since, as well as Vit C, Vit E, Magnesium etc..

we have had, following the Red M's.. (mostly a month apart)

+ White DC's (Crumbly) .. very very weak, almost felt nothing at all

+ Red Crowns/rolex's in halves + half a white atom .. the rolex's are -strong- a fair amount of empathy but still not much love and or peak? we went all night on this but still didnt 'break through' thought the atom would help us get there but no go..

(5-htp post loading each time after this)

+ Red russian in halves .. felt strong and very nice but still no real empathy or sensations. Halves were taken ~1 hr apart

(5-htp preloading before this next event)

+ One BIG night : Green Mitsubishi in halves (40 min apart), half a Tulip each (this made us hallucinate a bit!) and a blue viagra (weak and crap!) all over ~8 hrs .. even with this crazy night we still got nowhere near what we'd hoped.. the 3 halves were taken in the first 2 hrs of the night when we realised that we were still getting there, and the viagras did nothing at all, even though they tested up ok.

we were very dissapointed at this as we went to a big electronic event (for us anyway) and it should have been great..

.. stupidly we decided to go out the next night (we had taken 200mg of 5-htp the next day), and had a ...

+ Red russian (whole) .. ok now this was a lot better, although the peak was short (~1.5hrs) and the overall duration only ~3 hrs, I felt as though the night before had really dulled the experience this time. A lot more 'fun' than the last Red russian we had, still only 7/10 compared to the first 2 times though still but a lot better than usual!

(BAD comedown monday after this weekend, never want to go through it again, learnt a valuble lesson, even with Vits and 5-htp)

I dont know whats happening here, maybe we have had weak pills since the first few times? ..

Would our minds be 'overriding' the experience?

Should we focus on setting vs dose?

I know we should relax and just let it happen, but thats what we *have* been doing the last few times and the 'lack' of certain things is really evident.

I am thinking that because we both share the same pills, its probably more to do with pill quality and setting. But I am open to ideas.

=Frozone

What were you expecting? You shouldnt hold any expectations on what a drug will do to you, especially if its your first time (or so). Just be mindful of the dangers and enjoy

Can you get a tolerance after a few very spaced apart rolls?

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no but dropping consecutive nights in a row will affect the "quality" of the high, depleted serotonin and all that jazz.

I haven't rolled that often, so I'm no guru. But I will say in my experience that if I take the pill after I am drunk...it's nowhere near the peak compared to say...just a few beers first.

like you..I get instantly sober(ish) and feel really really good...but no peak as such. I think its the alcohol...last time I partied I drank a fair bit before I even hit the club and I felt the pill was weak...everyone else loved them...so i reckon it was the booze.

Hmm, .. I suppose I should clear up a point too. I was only drunk on the first time, the rest have been pretty much sober!

My bro cant help but drink on it, .. and DRINK! .. he wastes so much money, and can never remember much of the nights, but no-one can talk him out of it once he is up there...

But I think that drink and Md probably shouldnt be taken together much imho..

=Frozone

I'm not sure what you were expecting out of it but what you describe sounds like a typical Mdxx experience, particularly your first few times.
I admit that I didn't expect what I experienced when I first started taking pills. I think alot of it has to do with the words used to explain the experience such as 'love' and to a lesser extent 'empathy'. I mean the experience of love is very subjective - a pill will not make you feel the love for strangers that you feel for a significant other or a family member. However i believe that if MDMA is used with the correct mindset and you are open to the experience then it can greatly help you let go of the social constraints and ego games that normally hold back peole who are not well known to one another and allow these people to interact in an emotionally 'deeper' and more friendly and less 'superficial' manner.
When I'm on MDMA and to a lesser extent MDA, I find myslef more interested in other people and more willing to talk and enjoy the company of others and having conversations. In particular I love meeting new people when peaking.
So in the above sense you do empathise with people alot more which I guess is what people colloquelly (sp?) refer to as 'feeling the love'. That said, taking ecstacy with people that you already ahave a strong connection with can help tighten that connection and could be the catalyst for 'falling in love' but then angain any experience can do this, and it cannot not be anticipated what will happen.

My advice to you my dear Frozone would be not to enter into an MDxx experience with any preconceptions of how you should be feeling, just go with what you feel and be open to wahtever happens and it is almost certain you will enjoy yourself.

Ps> The red russians were mainly MDA and MDA does not have many of the empathetic qualities the MDMA has (such as the red rolexs may have had for you).

big breaks in between and testers and you'll have nothing to worry about

hey there frozone...
Sounds to me like you're over-thinking it a bit. Whilst it's really good to be responsible and use vit c and test your pills etc., it seems to me like you're carrying too many pre-conceived ideas into the experience.

I find that I will never have a truly euphoric experience if i do things like:
a) base my entire night around taking a pill
b) spend my entire roll waiting to feel effects and then monitoring them when they arrive.

everyone's experiences are different, and so often it's all about the setting anyway.
and also, psy_taco's point about the russians is a very good one- they had losts of MDA and left me feeling charged up but completely scattered.

good luck!

i agree with its_all_goog. (cant do that cut n past quote thing yet dang greenlight whipper snappas)
Im no expert but I believe its the environment, people and inner ambitions that make a good environment to roll almost essential id say

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Frozone: I agree with the others - you're thinking about it too much. You need to focus on relaxing and as you say, working on "setting". Can I also suggest NOT pre-loading with 5-htp, as it mutes the effects for many people. Save it for post-loading, or if you want to preload, stop taking it 24-48 hours before. But aside from that, congratulations on taking a responsible approach to drug use. I hope you find the magic soon

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dont think about it.
just DO IT
dont it make it the focus of your night.

tolerance is funnoy one.
some people have a high tolerance naturally, which in a way sux coz down the track your tolerance will be even higher and more expensive.
its cheaper not to have a tolerance

Thanks for the advice so far, I'll make sure I have the right mindset next time, ... I'll just enjoy the night as it comes.

I'll try and not pre load next time aswell, just to try that too!

Hopefully tolerance shouldnt be much of an issue with it spaced out as much as we have...

=Frozone

frozone, this has already been covered by others but i shall also provide my opinion.

Pills are not magical, the emotional ecstatic feelings you want do not come from just popping the pill, so many other factors come into play to heighten your ride or lower it, mood, setting, music, mindset, you have to go with the flow drop it and forget it just get involved in the NOW don't think about it just dance have fun whatever it is your doing.

over my schoolies experience i popped a couple of caps of mdma and as you have said urself i was expecting way too much from them, i kept thinking why hasn't it hit? did i get dud's? friends of mine were having a ball at this point, i was fortunate however to have a girl interested in me at the time who danced with me and i stopped worrying about the caps and became totally focused on the girl and dancing and having a good time, when we kissed maaan oh maaan i still remember it like yesterday, my body just VROOOOOOOOOOM!!!!! went into orbit it was like a volcano of empathy, ecstatic emotion, tinglyness all in one that had been dormant was released! and sure enough to this day was one of the best days of my life.

Go with the flow, drop n forget and your nite will be great