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NEWS - ABC 4 Corners 7/03/05 - "Messing with Heads"

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NEWS - ABC 4 Corners 7/03/05 *TONIGHT* 8.30pm - "Messing with Heads"

Messing With Heads

Reporter: Janine Cohen

Broadcast: 07/03/2005

"Imagine taking every single emotion, memory, experience, tablet all into one … and those fighting each other to see who is the victor." - Danny, 22.

"It just f… with your head. I had to sleep with a knife under my bed 'cos I used to think people were going to come in and bash me during the night or something. Just for me mull or something, yeah." - Danni, 17.

A whole generation of Australians has grown up believing that smoking pot is a harmless pastime.

They need to think again. The view of cannabis as a benign drug is under challenge – not from conservative family or religious groups but from the science and medical community.

Clinicians now believe that modern strains of super-strength cannabis are increasingly triggering psychoses, depression and anxiety disorders in teenagers.

Many young people begin smoking cannabis before they have even hit their teens – and experts are warning that the younger the smoker, the greater the risk of mental illness.

About half the young people who seek help for psychosIs have a cannabis problem. According to doctors the proportion of cannabis users among these young patients has doubled in 20 years.

For some teenagers there is no second chance. Ten to 15 per cent of young people with serious mental illnesses commit suicide or die from other causes within a few years of diagnosis.

Even for those who do recover, only half return to meaningful work or study.

Q: "And Jake how old were you when you started smoking?"
A: "Twelve."
Q: "And when did it become a problem for you, how old were you?"
A: "About 14 I started smoking regularly." – Jake, 18.

Q: "Where would you be if you never smoked pot?"
A: "Still be at school. I ... didn’t even pass year eight." – Sam, 16.

So what accounts for this new concern about cannabis and youth psychoses?

Recent research shows that the human brain does not fully develop until a person reaches their twenties. Teenage brains, therefore, are more vulnerable than adults to cannabis.

Modern technology multiplies the dangers. Hydroponically grown, genetically modified varieties of marijuana plants are believed to contain much greater concentrations of the chemical THC, or tetrahydrocannabinol. Cannabis is cheap, too, making it more easily available to today’s teenagers than it was for their parents’ generation.

In this wake-up call to a disturbing new trend, young cannabis users in treatment for psychoses speak openly about their experiences to reporter Janine Cohen, while doctors and drug specialists explain what the new research means for young people’s mental health.

"Messing With Heads" will be screened on ABC TV’s Four Corners at 8.30 pm on Monday 7 March.

A repeat will be aired at 11 pm Wednesday 9 March February.
 
I know someone who has suffered from pretty severe psychoses triggered by the wacky tabaccy (ended up in a mental hospital). And I'll admit it's fucked with my own head during times of heavy use.

Will definetly give this a watch!
 
Marijuana has triggered psychosis, progressing into schizophrenia, in two of my male family members. For myself, it's the one drug I've always felt "messed" with me and I could count the times I've used it on both hands.
 
Starting at 12.... Anybody pushing strong chemicals through a developing brain will run into trouble.

The question I beg to ask is why he felt the desire to smoke so often at such a young age. I think there is more to the story than just pot. Which I find is great when done every so often to just chill out and have a good laugh. :)
 
About half the young people who seek help for psychosIs have a cannabis problem.

What do they consider a cannabis problem? It would be nice if they were a little more specific. If they mean use more often than say once or twice a month then in my view this correlates fairly closely with my observation that about half of young people use cannabis in such a manner anyway. Reminds me of a study which compared the rates of psychosis among LSD users and the general population which found that they were just about equal.

Another thing that should be taken into consideration is that many of these psychotic patients would be so from abuse of other drugs, such as methamphetamines. What percentage of meth users don't also smoke marijuana? I'm not going to pull a figure out of my ass because I'd have nothing to back it up, but I'd estimate MUCH less than half.

Aren't people suffering from mental illness' more likely to want to escape their reality and use drugs to facilitate this?

I'm not trying to say that cannabis is entirely a risk free practice, because we all know this is not the case regardless of the drug. I have an aunt who has had schitzophrenia since she was 13 which has been attributed to marijuana abuse (she's over 60 now). Heavy abuse of any drug over an extended period, especially while the brain is still developing, is going to have a negative effect. The issue raised by this report is quite valid, but the way they are approaching it is sensationalist and biased.

Hydroponically grown, genetically modified varieties of marijuana plants are believed to contain much greater concentrations of the chemical THC, or tetrahydrocannabinol.

I want to get my hands on some of that genetically modified shit.
 
NEWS - SMH 07/03/2005 - Cannabis may trigger psychosis: experts

Cannabis may trigger psychosis: experts
March 7, 2005 - 1:24AM

Cannabis is not the harmless drug many people believe it to be, with new evidence showing today's genetically engineered crops are more potent and may trigger psychotic illnesses, Australian scientists say.

One in five Australian teenagers smoke cannabis every week, some as young as 10, and 10 per cent of those become addicted.

Psychologists, bioscientists and counsellors are seeing more young Australians developing psychoses, depression and anxiety disorders through cannabis use, the ABC's Four Corners program has been told.

Professor Vaughan Carr, Scientific Director of the Neuroscience Institute, said he believed there were similarities between the effects of cannabis on the brain, and schizophrenia.

"I think that the odds are better than 50-50 that cannabis use in sufficient quantities beginning early enough in life may produce some cases of schizophrenia in people who otherwise would not have developed it," he told Four Corners, which airs tonight.
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"But that's my gut feeling. Roughly one in five adolescents overall are cannabis users in reasonable quantities.

"I would have to say that all of them are at risk, but the earlier the onset of cannabis use and the greater the frequency of use, the higher the risk."

Sydney psychologist Andrew Campbell said there was much debate about whether cannabis uncovered an existing psychosis, or caused it.

"My view is that it is bringing on new cases of psychosis," he told the program.

"I see a lot of people with long-standing psychosis and if I see one in 10 people in a day, seven of them will have used cannabis on a daily basis at the first time of onset of psychosis."

The experts also say new hydroponically grown crops have been engineered into a much more toxic drug than 30 years ago.

Dr Campbell said the new variety grew only about a metre high with little leaf and a lot of heads.

As a result, the main chemical, tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, is much more concentrated.

"So when you buy $25 worth of cannabis these days you're mainly getting heads. You don't get the leaf which is much lower in concentration of cannabis," Dr Campbell told the program.

The experts also say that because new research has shown the brain is not fully wired until a person is in their early to mid-20s, teenage users are most at risk of developing mental illness.

Melbourne's Early Psychosis Prevention and Intervention Centre (EPPIC) director, Pat McGorry, said at least 70 per cent of young people who attended the centre had used cannabis.

"The proportion of patients using it that we see has gone up. I would say it's doubled since the early '80s when we started to look at this group of patients," Professor McGorry said.

AAP

(Source)
 
i'm now 17 and have been smoking for 4 years 2 and half years habitually and yes, it messes with your head to an extent, but i also top 3 of my subjects and consider my self pretty intelligent, i had a spill last year and got some councelling, i feel that the "messing with your head" it does half relies on the lazyness of the person and when there prepared to not let it take over them, not to give into the lethargic lifestyle it brings upon most ppl, like they attribute it so much to dropping out of school, but that cause the kids a bogan and doesn't want to be at school, not because he wants to smoke cannabis. I would love to go on this show, because i feel i can be very concious of when my moods are fucked up because of pot or when i'm presumptious and being a ignorant fuck. I don't think i'd be half the person i was today if it wasn't for cannabis and i'm very grateful.


"A whole generation of Australians has grown up believing that smoking pot is a harmless pastime."


The fact a whole generation has grown up using it, is the main reason i have friends to this day, i can honestly say that if my brothers never smoked with who they did i would not have the friends and experiences i have today. I'm by far the heaviest "pot user" at my school, not trying to sound like a champ and by far one of the most academically inclined students aswell. i type this during my free-period (when i normally view bluelight) still feeling a little hazy from those rainbow scrolls on the weekend, thinking about the orange butterflys i might sample again this friday. Oh and test start in 2 weeks. If anythings messing with my head its secretive behaviour and study pressures.
 
Being unable to pass year eight? Can't blame the herb for that hey...

there would have been other factors contributing to that... ie: shitty environment, or he was just plain stupid :p
 
Findings like this are great, im really happy actually, my best friend is in this exact situation - psychoses (altho he hasn't actually seen a doctor about it) he has told me, and i've witnessed him whilst having an episode...

I personally believe his first LSD trip contributes to the factor, because he's been "wigged" out since then, but loves both acid and weed... i'd really like him to understand, he tells me he thinks that everyone is against him, and he's hearing voices and shit.

Im gunna call him and tell him to watch this!
 
I don't know thechnical terminology but I believe the "genetically modified" plants they are talking about are different strains that have been artificially "spliced"

There was a thread about it not long ago - I'd find link but my keyboard has run out of batteries

Nice Tits
 
My mum is making me sit down and watch this with her because she thinks im frying my brain. I'm hoping that there are some flaws in the argument presented because otherwise i'll have nothing to fall back on. At present i'm still countering her arguments with the fact that there is no history of mental illness in our family, but it'd be nice if I had more of safeguard with which to appease her. Otherwise i'll probably lose some of my credibility. Any suggestions?
 
comf0rtably numb:

Yeah, quit smoking pot

I find it laughable that everyone defends pot when the studies have shown that the newer stronger strains mess your head up.

Denial is a funny thing.
 
Its morons like that that ruin it for the rest of us. When governments realise that some people are just morons, drugs or no drugs the rest of us can get on with exploring our consiousness and the morons will always be morons.
 
rm1x said:
comf0rtably numb:

Yeah, quit smoking pot

I find it laughable that everyone defends pot when the studies have shown that the newer stronger strains mess your head up.

Denial is a funny thing.

Not an option. Whilst there was a time when I smoked daily (only for about 3 months mind you) I generally only smoke once or twice a fortnight now - it being the last year of school and all. It doesnt hinder my school work, in fact I still do well at my school, I still play sport, I still go out etc. It doesnt interfere with my life at all. I just enjoy chilling out and smoking some js with my friends now and then.

There's no history of mental illness in my family, and the studies you refer to should be taken with a grain of salt. If you actually believe that these more potent strains are the reason for this 'apparent' rise in mental illness, than I shouldnt have even bothered to respond to your post. As has been mentioned in other posts, the amount of thc present in modern grade a strains is pretty much the same as it was in similar strains 40 years ago. The only difference is that there is a higher proportion of potent bud around than there was in the 60s. Just because weed is stronger, doesnt make it more dangerous. Think about it, if the weed is weaker, you'll just smoke more of it to accomodate for this shortcoming. On the contrare, should the thc be more highly concentrated, you'll smoke less to get high, thus doing yourself a favour to your lungs.

Also, the Dr in this article says "I think" and "It's my gut feeling" Provide me with clinical evidence then i'll quit. I'm not going to curb my usage because one person has a gut feeling. There is still no clinical evidence that links frequent weed usage with mental disorders in those that arent predisposed to mental illness. Please get down off your high horse, I don't need nor want someone else to preach to me on a subject that is sitll highly fluid and controversial.

Edit: Don't take this to mean that I think weed is harmless by any means. I realise, that like other drugs, it will have some detrimental effects on the body. But then again, we are on a drug forum - i'm sure there are substances that you take which are probably as bad, if not worse. I'm just not sure whether these effects are bad enough to warrent complete abstinance or not.
 
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rm1x said:
I find it laughable that everyone defends pot when the studies have shown that the newer stronger strains mess your head up.

...so show me 'the studies'

'newer stronger strains' - of course it's nothing to do with the horticultural advances we've had since 'back in the day' resulting in (as stated above) a greater proportion of higher-grade crop being available, it's all that miraculously rising THC content that's sending our youth into early stage psychoses.

consistently use any psychedelic (that's right, it's a mild psychedelic) and you're liable to do yourself some harm. What's new? Should we be blaming the drug, or the user? Has the plant itself ever done any harm to anyone? It just goes about photosynthesising, and then people decide to burn it and inhale the fumes. A lot.

Then they go and complain about getting schizophrenia and dropping out in year 8. Well, hate to say it, but, too fuckin bad, dude. I love smoking as much as the next guy, but I learnt how to control it. Don't blame the goddamn plant.

please though, the mindless, unfounded rhetoric is unnecessary

(btw, for the record - my Dad is taping this for me. Any excuse.)
 
comf0rtably numb said:
As has been mentioned in other posts, the amount of thc present in modern grade a strains is pretty much the same as it was in similar strains 40 years ago. The only difference is that there is a higher proportion of potent bud around than there was in the 60s.

I severly doubt there was hydro floating around at all in the 60's. There is heaps of info around contradicting you claim. The absence of psychotic disorders, as someone mentioned earlier, in Amsterdam could have a lot to do with hydo being illegal. Everything you can by in a cafe there is bush.

I've read somewhere (sorry for not rememering where) that alot of weed's side effects are a result of pesticide's and other chemicals used to aid the plants hydroponic growth.

I'm sure there was a point to my post when i started writng but i sure as hell don't remember it now

Nice Tits
 
Nice Tits said:
I severly doubt there was hydro floating around at all in the 60's. There is heaps of info around contradicting you claim. The absence of psychotic disorders, as someone mentioned earlier, in Amsterdam could have a lot to do with hydo being illegal. Everything you can by in a cafe there is bush.

I've read somewhere (sorry for not rememering where) that alot of weed's side effects are a result of pesticide's and other chemicals used to aid the plants hydroponic growth.

I'm sure there was a point to my post when i started writng but i sure as hell don't remember it now

Nice Tits

I can clear it up for you. There wasn't any point to your post, and nothing you've said is particular coherent.

said it before, say it again - correlation =/= causation. I'm also fairly sure that not everything in Amsterdam is 'bush', and that most of weed's side effects are from the weed, that would be a psychedelic, mind altering substance, and the smoke that you're inhaling. When you remember where you got all your info from, let me know, too.
 
all interesting....

When I was in my last growth spurt I was a cranky asshole... I think it may have been influenced by pot, but also the sudden increase in testosterone!

Smoking pot everyday/nite for the last 2 years was pretty bad for me... I smoked it first when i was 13... a bit more when i was 14 (every 2 weeks or so) then in yr 12... I was there evrery week then towards the 3rd-4th month of the year the heavy use started....

So I feel I can voice an opinion. I felt a little more Doughy... and I also feel yeh dumber and the loss of memory sucks nuts... However I was never hit too badly with the memory loss. I have it... but not as severe as other friends with the same amount of exposure...

I however when smoking pot never get paranoid or anything I can stay calm in difficult situations and it's like evryday life for me. I did however have the chronic withdrawal case of I needed pot every say 10 hours... I would smoke on my lunch break at work (ahhh love clear eyes) and I would also smoke every night... have a munch then go to sleep. Work the next morning, chop on lunch etc...

I would smoke like 5-6 bongs of the Gigantor cone piece I had and usually smoking some Kron Dogs Hydgies or bush. I also think that spinning your pot doesn't help... I actually think the whole Psychotic shit is coming from the brown. You see not smoking Ciggys I spose I may have craved the Tobacco, as I felt the cravings pass after smoking bongs... I was still getting my Tobacco hit...

This survey by the Scientists, did they ask everyone... Did you spin your weed??? Friends of mine that didnt spin never got the problems that I got from smoking....

Well I'll be watching this. It should be interesting to see!

SpecTBK=D
 
sourlemone said:
...so show me 'the studies'

'newer stronger strains' - of course it's nothing to do with the horticultural advances we've had since 'back in the day' resulting in (as stated above) a greater proportion of higher-grade crop being available, it's all that miraculously rising THC content that's sending our youth into early stage psychoses.

consistently use any psychedelic (that's right, it's a mild psychedelic) and you're liable to do yourself some harm. What's new? Should we be blaming the drug, or the user? Has the plant itself ever done any harm to anyone? It just goes about photosynthesising, and then people decide to burn it and inhale the fumes. A lot.

Then they go and complain about getting schizophrenia and dropping out in year 8. Well, hate to say it, but, too fuckin bad, dude. I love smoking as much as the next guy, but I learnt how to control it. Don't blame the goddamn plant.

please though, the mindless, unfounded rhetoric is unnecessary

(btw, for the record - my Dad is taping this for me. Any excuse.)


well here's three

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18424760.800
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6745
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3098

(that's right, it's a mild psychedelic)

Really? I have been smoking it for what, 15 years now and I did'nt know that :| /end sarcasm

Watch the show, see what you think, next you'll be telling us that mdma is harmless and methamphetamine use causes no damage lol

Your responses are typical of an addict, blame everything else but the actual drug ;)
 
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