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Witch Doctor
16-11-2003, 13:45
** I skimmed over the guildlines just before I posted to make sure this was ok. but wasnt too sure, if its a no go just delete mods =) **

Ok I was lyin in bed this weekend after a night out, and a thought came into my mind. Why are pill prices in Perth higher than other parts of the country? Then i thought to myself, is it just because I go through greedy channels? But in talkin to other fellow party goers, it seems that im gettin a really good deal on my goods. Ive been told many times that im extremely fussy when it comes to pills, mainly because i REFUSE to pay "club price", not even for a "good" pill. I just cant justify payin that much money for a pill.

So is it supply? isnt there enough in perth to go around? i dont think so though, almost anyone can get their hands on pills if they're in the "party scene". Is it just that perth consumers just dont know any different? Talkin to mates all over oz, and all of them pay less than the average punter in perth. Is perth really that remote? that it costs that much more to ship them here?

so what is everyone elses thoughts? are perth drug dealers just greedy? Me and my friends will go without if we dont get the right price. I think everyone else in perth should follow suit, if everyone refuses to pay these crazy prices, dealers will be forced to drop price.

ok thats the end of my little thought. What does the rest of perth think? are we getting ripped off?

16-11-2003, 13:52
It's who you know, or more importantly, who you don't know :P

Witch Doctor
16-11-2003, 13:57
yes true true, but how come everyone i know, without fail has scored cheaper drugs in other parts of oz than in perth? u cant tell me everyone is just really lucky and got a really good connection on their holidays =P

16-11-2003, 14:14
I'd say your guess of the remoteness is the answer. Maybe a lot of the drugs have to go through more people's hands and so once everyone takes their slice of the profit the price ends up higher. Or maybe it's not as cost effective to use the road for transport to Perth from the major eastern cities (sort of the same reason why petrol costs more in country towns), or maybe using the air is far more risky and people won't justify the risks unless there is a worthwhile profit to be made.

Witch Doctor
16-11-2003, 14:24
Yeah my guess is remoteness at the moment. But surely drugs are imported directly into perth? why wouldnt they be?

16-11-2003, 14:59
Maybe the supply is controlled by fewer people, or alternatively, maybe the market is smaller than in other places. It also could of course be because WA is further away from the other capital cities as other people have suggested already.


16-11-2003, 15:26
i bet you pay more for fruit and vegies than ppl in syd!

Witch Doctor
16-11-2003, 16:23
while the price of houses is cheaper =P

17-11-2003, 00:27
Maybe the price is higher because people will pay it.

BigTrancer :)

aunty establishment
17-11-2003, 01:02
I think BT's nailed that one. It is interesting though, because Perth does seem to get a higher proportion of adulterated/fake pills than other capital cities (in my experience only, of course). The easy way around this is to test all your pills. You could also buy in bulk if this suited you, but bear in mind the implications of this.

Witch Doctor
17-11-2003, 02:08
yeah BT i think there are just too many trashheads around here that dont realise that dealers need their business just as much as they need the drugs to get wasted.

17-11-2003, 02:35
Supply and demand. Pure market forces dictate the price...

17-11-2003, 05:20
^^ together with an eagerness for enterprising dealers to expand their markets.

As little as 3 years ago, there were relatively few dealers in this area, with available product almost always up there in quality. Prices were higher for longer than in the cities, which lasted for around 6 months. Then almost overnight a few big players moved northward and flooded the market. Prices dropped 20-30% virtually overnight. Suddenly everyone could get pills and many started to deal themselves. But almost as quickly as they arrived, the big players seemed to disappear, leaving some of the surviving original players to cover the market, which had grown substantially. The price has gradually dropped another 5-10% I guess, but any fluctuations in supply rarely seem to influence final price - yet.

Once people have been used to paying a maximum for something, it is very hard to expect them to accept a steep sudden increase. Many will reluctantly pay, but some will budget and make do with less, if only at first. It's therefore quite understandable to think those wishing to increase the market would reduce profits for extra turnover, X-mart style.
Something which may govern ideas about expansion in some areas may have to do with consistency of supply or the scale of the network. I don't know the history of busted players in WA, but if there's recently been an upset, it may take sometime for the new bosses to reestablish distribution networks.

Or...this could have nothing to do with your situation and it's as is more commonly found. That is It's who you know. Small towns, depending largely upon what is the primary means of income, can either see circles closed and very secretive, or as in the case of a tourist town like this one, be brimming with gossip where-ever you go. So, besides social circles, in some ways it definitely is also where you live as to whether you will ever get to hear of things like lower priced HQ stuff.

17-11-2003, 08:24
When in doubt, blame Johnny Kizon ;)

17-11-2003, 10:17
I've found similar things in other regional centres in australia. its just the price you have to pay (literally) for not living in the Brisbane to Melbourne population belt.

17-11-2003, 10:52
I dont see why we pay more than other capital citys in Aus.
I'm sure that the organised crime rings wouldnt have over looked Perth as a direct link to asia for importing drugs. I have but once come across the same pills cheaper at one source compared to another. I find the price is static everywhere including clubs.

and Groovstar I went to sydney for a couple of weeks last year. The only thing I noticed that was cheaper than in perth was Beer. I didnt sample any substances so I wont speculate on that.

17-11-2003, 15:07
i found out they are definately are more expensive here in WA, after speaking to someone who just recently came from the east, but one thing they also said which could effect things is that there is alot more "variety", if u wanna call it, different drugs available over there, better night life, more places to go, etc etc......
Only guessing though

smokin' joe
17-11-2003, 22:35
Originally posted by Witch Doctor
Why are pill prices in Perth higher than other parts of the country?

I doubt that the prices are higher than Tasmania (if you count that as the same country :P )

17-11-2003, 22:52
Originally posted by SteveElektro
When in doubt, blame Johnny Kizon ;)

no its those dam imagrants i tell you!

Witch Doctor
18-11-2003, 08:23
junglism: hehe uve caught me out =P

smokin' joe: ive got one mate in tas and he pays less than the average punter here.. but thats only one person..

UnFuZed: yeh i got mates in melb/syd/bris and from what I've heard there is more going round, and usually better.

Juvenile: yeh some dealers have tried to charge me same price (we'll call it x) inside and outside of clubs, which personally i think is a joke! Personally i refuse to pay anymore than $(x-10).

18-11-2003, 10:16
So I'm right in thinking that exact price comparisons are against guidelines?

18-11-2003, 10:33
Witch Doctor im feeling you dude...
Prices in Perth are just too high when it comes to the odd pill..
Compared to eastern states...
I have friends there paying way less for their pills then us
It sucks major waysss..
If u wanna start a protest about it..Then im with u!! =p
Drop those friggin prices youll!!

18-11-2003, 13:26
apathenol: Yes... it's very clearly spelt out in the Guidelines. You should easily be able to find the link to them Posting Guidelines and Mini-FAQ on the forum topic list page.

BigTrancer :)

18-11-2003, 14:06
The prices in perth are definately higher than eastern states.
Its not a matter of knowing the wrong people as was suggested earlier.
A good price here is comparable to what you pay from a stranger in a club over east in my experience.

IMO (and this could be wildly incorrect) the market in perth seems to be dominated by two groups (perthites probably know who i'm talking about). These two groups seem to dominate the importation to an extent that they can dictate price more so than in the larger, less isolated eastern state belts, where gear can be transfered area to area much more easily if the price is pushed up.

18-11-2003, 16:00

agree totally with you on the second part, maybe we need some more groups, not just 2 groups controlling the market, it was like when telstra had the monopoly, the prices were ridiculous, but when a bit of competition was bought in it bought the prices down, same principal i suppose.....

aunty establishment
19-11-2003, 00:52
IMO it's more than two groups, in fact the high profile groups (nudge nudge, ;) ;) ) are often not the largest distributors. This makes sense if you think about it, as they're more closely monitored than "Joe Nobody" who can waltz into the country with whatever he likes.

Witch Doctor
19-11-2003, 06:11
apathenol: are you reminding everyone or upset with my use of "x" ?

astro^boi: this is my protest hehe. =P I think all perth can really do is stop gettin sorted in the clubs. For 2 reasons really, 1 its not very safe to be buyin off randoms, and 2 its a f*cking rip off! =P

I dont know if consumers in the perth market will ever have any power to do much. I might be wrong, we'll just have to wait and see eh...

ummm yeh?
19-11-2003, 06:34
all i know is that when a good batch hits perth so many people are keen to buy large amounts because we never know how long it would be before another good batch hits. im happy to pay x-5 for a good egg over here cos i fukn hate shit pills

20-11-2003, 06:11
IMO (and this could be wildly incorrect) the market in perth seems to be dominated by two groups (perthites probably know who i'm talking about).

That would be my guess. I dont mind discussing it because in Perth the West will actually name names when it comes to the big players; amazing they continue to go unscathed. So this information is on the publix record - and that of course is the only way i personally am aware of it. The police here clearly know an ENORMOUS amount about whatever is going on that they have not revealed.

Whether its one, two or more, the likelihood is the number that truly sit at the top of the apex is far less than the Eastern states - due to the proximity of NSW, Qld, Vic its likely that major groups could be involved in more than one state for instance.

So in a sense PErth is probably more EXCLUSIVELY regulated - Eastern states have more like a share market whereas perth has several big oil companies. Poor analogy but u get the drift.

No one says the West is right - especially when they discuss the two involved - and they have done this specifically several times. But i do think it gives some indication of the relative situation here as compared to over east.

20-11-2003, 13:30
there are soooo many variables that could dictate a higher price in perth. Firstly, as was said earlier, it could be just who you know. The geography vould also play a part because if you think about it, distribution of a pill on the east coast can have intensive distribution within a week or so ie. a good number of markets are served. It's quick, easy money for the manufacturers who get an almost immediate return on investment and more than likely these manufacturers will have a closer relation with their distributors due to the geographic closeness of the East.

Perth on the other hand will take a couple more days to transport to (very minor price rise) and from what an above post said ( about there being 2 main supply groups) will increase the price accordingly due to the duopoly occuring. Generally these groups will adopt a 'status quo' pricing objective where neither group wants to 'rock the boat' price-wise because they're in such a cushy state.

The only way to change the current situation would be to either start manufacturing your own (not recommended) or start making good connections back east (not recommended). bottom line, i think you'll just have to grin and bear it and accept that the prices are so high because there are fewer competitors.

21-11-2003, 00:23
i think you'll just have to grin and bear it and accept that the prices are so high because there are fewer competitors.Yeah, or get everyone you know to refuse to pay the higher price and quit drugs until you get a better deal... the dealers will not reduce the price voluntarily - they will need to be coerced into it by crap sales.

BigTrancer :)

21-11-2003, 02:15
Like that will ever happen 8)

25-11-2003, 10:02
Whatever it is, it is not fair! Prices are way too high all the way along the line in Perth, no matter who you know. I would love to see a boycott of pills in Perth until prices go down but somehow, I can't see that happening. :(