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Zyban vs Mdma

RuSty

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Im about to try and quit smoking, ive got this prescription, however after listening to the doctors opinions, friends opinions and the internets opinion im unsatisfied with what i read and hear!!!!!!!!!!!! so if anyone can give me some information about the drug bupropion hydrochloride (aka- amfetbutamone hydrochloride)it would be much apprechiated??
One other thing, how does this drug react with MDMA??? is it dangerious, im lead to belive zyban was firstly developed as an anti-depressant, and was later found to stop those who were taking the drug from smoking, therefor they are now aimed at smoker wishing to quit....
So please guys if u can give me some info about any possable reactions with mdma it would be a great help.....
Thanks in advance.....
 
Good luck, man!
Just quit the evil green, that was difficult enough, but it booasted my ciggie intake unbelievably. The second part of my plan involves reducing ciggie intake to 1 pack/week. The third point is to give the smokables the heave ho completely, but i'll probably be reduced to taking zyban.... my willpower reserves are being drastically depleted even as i write ;)
 
Zyban contains brupopion and effects the levels of dopamine and norephedrine without having major effects on seratonin. The exact mechanism of reaction is not completley understood, but it is said that these neurotransmitters may be involved with withdrawl symptoms.
Zyban is now mainly used as a smoking habit kicker, alcaholism and other addiction problems. It is still perscribed as a anti-depressant very occasionally.
It is strongly recommended not to take MAOI's with Zyban but there has been succesful combination treatment with SSRI's in the past.
SSRI use can cause a dose dependant lowering of the seizure threshold for Zyban. 4 in every thousand will have siezure related problems while on Zyban.
Now this interaction alone might cause you to think twice about MDMA use with Zyban. However, I dont image MDMA use would pose a problem but theres always a precautionary tale to be told with every perscription drug :)
I know this isnt really information on direction interaction with MDMA but it does give some useful info.
Sources:
http://www.sdh.sk.ca/RxFiles/acrobat/zyban-ssri-Q&A.pdf
http://www.psyweb.com/Drughtm/buprop.html
http://4-health-drugs.com/zyban_faq.htm
 
See http://www.bluelight.ru/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=54&t=000005&p=
http://www.bluelight.ru/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=54&t=000191&p=
http://www.bluelight.ru/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=54&t=000125
http://www.bluelight.ru/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=54&t=000151 (note that Wellbutrin is the brand name of bupropion when it is marketed as an anti-depressant)
There are even better threads around somewhere, but I can't find em, although this one is a good one http://www.bluelight.ru/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=15&t=002900
The main issue appears to be the risk of seizures associated with bupropion and MDMA (as both drugs lower the seizure threshold).
I guess your choice on whether to go the bupropion comes down to whether you think it is the only way to quit. Have you tried the other approaches like patches? I quit by cutting back my intake and nicotine mg first. Then on NYE I smoked my heart (lungs) out, felt shit the next day, and quit that way. The first few days sucked, but it was worth it in the end. Had Zyban been available then, I wouldn't have used it, due to the potential side-effects. But if it's the only way you can quit, I guess it's worth it. Good luck whatever you choose.
 
not a chemist or a scientist but have been through zyban while on ecstacy, can only say that in my experience you may actually increase the effects of a pill. n other problems for me, but some women do have a paranoia problem even when not on any other drug, so best rule is moderation until you know what works for you.
 
FROM EROWID
Pharmacology / Mechanism of Action
The exact mechanism of action of bupropion has not been fully elucidated. In rats, chronic stress leads to increased levels of tyrosine hydroxylase (a key enzyme in norepinephrine synthesis) in the locus coeruleus (LC). Chronic use of bupropion, as well as many antidepressants, shows decreased expression of tyrosine hydroxylase in the LC. The true significance of these findings is not yet clear, but other known mechanisms of action of bupropion are that it is a relatively weak inhibitor of neuronal norepinephrine, serotonin and dopamine uptake. It does not inhibit monoamine oxidase.
Bupropion selectively inhibits dopamine reuptake, much like cocaine, but, arguably, without the reinforcing effects. It has been used to treat children with ADHD, but there is a high incidence of severe skin rashes when used in this manner. It has also been effective in the treatment of smoking cessation (under the trade name Zyban). Unlike many antidepressants, Bupropion is not used to treat panic attacks, however, patients who have suffered sexual dysfunction as a result of serotonin-specific reuptake inhibitors may show some improvement if switched to bupropion. Its ability to treat cocaine addiction appears promising, though controversial.
History
First developed in the late 1970's it was first approved for sale in the United States in 1985 but quickly removed from the market in 1986 due to problems with seizures in patients. In 1989, Bupropion was placed back on the market in the United States at a lower recommended dose.
Slang / Brands
Amfebutemone; Bupropion; Wellbutrin (as anti-depressant); Zyban (as nicotine addiction treatment)
call me naive but can someone please explane to me what this means, ive read all the threads and done as much research as my mind will take, and still i am left with no conclusive evidence to indicate that its not harmful to take mdma whilst taking Zyban, there seems to be alote of opinion and not a great deal of fact, i do understand that there is not a great deal of evidance to prove how Zyban works either, it seems that the medical industry just accepts the fact that it works on a small percentage of people and they cant find and real proof as to how it work!!!! but i do wish to thank you all for your time and effort and i must admit i have learnt a thing or two!!! if anyone has some hard evidance to prove that mixing mdma and zyban is dangerious or harmless could u please post it....
kind regards :)
 
I thought i might add that i have been smoking for near on 10 years, and have tryed many methods such as hynosis, patches, nicoret gum and cold turkey, on all occasions i did stop for a period of more than 3 weeks, however after this period my will power factor gave in, im weak i know it, but i think its more so the habit i have to kick, not the addiction!!!
[ 15 February 2002: Message edited by: RuSty ]
 
its actually funny you bring this topic up as i was going to post the exact same thing. My Girlfriend who has only been smoking for 2 years and only smokes about 5 a day was perscribed this by a f*&king useless doctor.
All the moron asked her was how many does she smoke and for how long. he didn't even query whether she had siezures (which she doesn't) and didn't ask things like...have any of your family had problems...he father was shcitsofrenic (can't spell).... are doctors kidding???
Anyway she gets load of zyban and was basically off her face all day. It was like she had had speed or E. She didn't tell me until she had been taking them a week and i made her stop. The doctor didn't even ask whether she might want to try patches first!! goddamn! No wonder so many ppl got messed up on valiam etc....
I think you should only EVER be perscribed zyban at last resort....like in your case.
The worst thing is that students can get perscribed zyban, valiam, blah and it only costs $3 with a student health care card.
be safe,
Rob
 
Robe, thats unreal, when i went to the doc she went throuhg everything with me, it was actually my decision to take the prescription, and i was given a list of side effects and also asked questions about mine and my families mental state!
However i can agree with the off ur face bit, i do feel kinda emotionless, and kinda brain dead, but it is slowly making me cut back on the smokes.
Secondly i dont thinkits in the same bag of tricks as valium, its not an SSRI, or a MAOI, a friend of mine said
SDRI (selective
dopamine reuptake inhibitor), which shouldn't cause problems with MDMA too much
But i still would be very causious,very little is known about the method this drug uses to achive its goal, so i would find out as much as possable about it before tryoing it!!!
take care people!!!!
 
Another important thing is that Rusty has good friends lookin out for him, and watchin for things like personality change, etc....when ur takin a drug like this, I think it's really important that u tell people who are close to u, so they can watch out for side-effects which u may not be aware of urself....
I'm proud of u for tryin whatever it takes to kick the habit Rus......and I'm here for u thru this......but, u already know that *hugz* And if u do decide to use MDMA when ur still on the Zyban, u know I'll be there for u then too :)
 
Robe, thats unreal, when i went to the doc she went throuhg everything with me,
i sware to you its the truth! :) the doc didn't ask any questions apart from "how long have you been smoking..." "how much do you smoke"...
If the doc had any sense he should have realised that 5 cigerettes a day and only smoking 2 years is enough just to use patches....but no. :(
 
Rusty you said it yourself.. it affects dopamine and norephedrine neurotransmitters but I guess if your going to kick the cigarette habit do it without other creating further problems with yourself .. I'm sure not being munted for a few months won't hurt :)
 
hey rusty,
ive tried the zyban way and found that if you choose to take something eg: a mdxx pill
i felt the initial effect of the pill (channel's)
then the full on come on then nada...
all effects gone, went to bed half an hour later
not sure how or why this is but i have my theroies...
hoped that helped
 
okay first off , i belived u robe, i just thought about how neglegent the doc was in that matter, some of them r just quacks i guess :( ....
And ruski i agree man, a few months isnt that hard, but i am taking a well planned break over the next 12 months after march, but i am going upto sydney for tt, so i was just curious as to the chances of an mdma pill working on the night, but i guess a straight one wouldnt be all that bad... i think i can manage it :)
Oh and madmick thanks for telling me about that, im pretty convinced not to take anything now, besides it would be a waste of a good pill, so i think ill just have to wait untill i have my break :)
thanks heaps for ur imput guys...........
p.s. this can be closed if no one else finds it of interest, thanks mods..
[ 18 February 2002: Message edited by: RuSty ]
 
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