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Your philosophy on tipping?

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damn

fuck, i edited that bitch twice, and i'm still getting schooled.

fuck it all, webster and i go together and changed it into an acronym, and that's the new meaning. you'll find it in the new 2005 unabridged edition, along with "pleather".

=D
 
Not to bring up a post that has already made it past page two territory but I just found 2 very informative articles on CNN that I would like to share.....

The first one is....

Tipping not optional
In many instances, tips are not to reward a job well done.
June 5, 2003: 9:45 AM EDT
By Jeanne Sahadi, CNN/Money Senior Staff Writer

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Most people, if asked, will tell you a tip is meant to reward good service. But a lot of those same people will tip the same amount no matter what kind of service they get.

I know I have. As steamed as I can be when service is poor, I almost never can work up the gumption to stiff someone on the tip or to leave a miserly amount.

Why is that? Apparently, because as Americans we're neurotic, guilt-prone, and we don't want to be thought of as cheap or ignorant. At least those are some of the reasons that Cornell professor Michael Lynn has found in his 20 years of research on tipping behavior.

"The major reason people tip," said Lynn, "is to avoid social disapproval."

So much for rewarding good service.

In fact, Lynn, found that how customers rate service has a very small effect on the amount they choose to tip in restaurants. About 4 percent of the variability in tip size is due to their rating of the service provider, his research revealed. That's the same level of variability that the sun has on tip size. (Folks tend to tip more on sunny days.)

It also has been argued, Lynn said, that our willingness to tip regardless of service reflects a sense that the customer is in a better position financially than the server and wishes to avoid incurring the server's envy. A tip, then, is "a payment to reduce that envy," Lynn said.

It's also a way for the equality-minded to feel less guilty about being served. Looking across cultures, he has found that tips tend to be higher in countries where there is greater neuroticism about and intolerance of ambiguous situations.
Tip as incentive?

Psychosocial theories aside, though, there's another we reason tip. It's part of the cost of being served. If you think tipping is truly optional at restaurants, hair salons and hotels, I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

Tipping is expected. It's part of your bill, except that you need to do the math. (Personally I wish restaurant owners would pay table servers a living wage so they wouldn't rely so heavily on my tips for income. But then, the argument goes, owners would raise menu prices and lower-income families couldn't afford to eat out.)

Tipping experts recommend you tip a waiter or waitress 15 percent for adequate service, 20 percent for very good service and not less than 10 percent for very bad service. Why 10 percent for a bad time? Think of the busboys, the bartender and the hostess. In a lot of restaurants, a waitress pays out a percentage of her tips to others who help her serve you. By punishing her, you're punishing them.

You might think of the waitress, too. It's possible, just possible, the poor service you received was not really her fault. Maybe the kitchen was backed up or she was given too many tables to cover.

If you want to help cure bad service, rather than skip the tip, speak to the manager about the server's behavior or about what was wrong with your dinner, Lynn said.

So, what about that stupid tip jar?

I am not a fan of filling coffers at the coffee counter. When someone's serving me something that I could get myself but for the counter (and the line) between us, I don't consider it a convenience worth paying extra for.

Tipping experts agree with me on this one. There's no need to leave anything in the tip jar -- it's completely optional. If you're so moved to drop some change in, go crazy. If not, enjoy a guilt-free day.

here is the link for above article Tipping Not Optional

The second one is called

How Much To Tip

If you ask 10 people how much to tip in a given situation, you'll get several answers and a slew of hot-headed opinions about the "right" thing to do.

To help start your next debate, here's a quick guide to customary gratuities for various services. The guide is provided by the Emily Post Institute. Those with passionate views about how much to tip the pizza-delivery guy, please see the information in the footnote provided by two other sources.

RESTAURANTS/BARS
Waiter/waitress: 15% of bill (excl. tax) for adequate service; 20% for very good service; no less than 10% for poor service
Headwaiter/captain: often gets a cut of table server's tip; so tip your server extra to reward captain, or tip captain separately
Sommelier, or wine steward: 15% of cost of the bottle
Bartender: 15% to 20% of the tab, with a minimum of 50 cents per soft drink, $1 per alcoholic drink
Coatroom attendant: $1 per coat
Parking valet or garage attendant: $2 to bring your car to you
Washroom attendant: 50 cents to $1



DAILY LIFE
Taxi driver: Varies depending on locality. Assume 15% will be enough; an extra $1 to $2 for help with bags.
Food delivery person:* 10% of the bill (excl. tax), at least $1 for bills up to $10. Should tip 15%-20% for a difficult delivery.
Grocery loader: Check with store policy if tips are accepted. If so, $1 for bringing bags to car; $1.50 to $3 if you have more than 3 bags.
Barber: 15% to 20%, minimum $1, for a haircut. For other services (shampoo, shave or manicure) tip $1 to $2 to service provider.
Hairdresser: 15% to 20%. (It is now acceptable to tip owner, unless he or she says otherwise.)
Shampoo person: $2
Manicurist: 15%
Spa service (e.g., massage): 15% to 20%. If service is provided by owner, no tip.
Staff at coffee/food retailers with tip jars: No tip required. It's completely optional.
Handyman: No tip
Gas attendant: No tip
* Mike Lynn, associate professor of consumer behavior at the Cornell Hotel School suggests tipping pizza delivery folk a minimum of $2 per pizza. His reasoning: Food delivery can be dangerous if delivering to crime-ridden neighborhoods or driving in bad weather, etc. The Web site www.tipthepizzaguy.com suggests the following: 15% for normal service, with a $2 minimum; 20% for excellent service; 10% or less for poor service; at least 10% for orders of $50 or more. Don't assume a delivery charge, if there is one, goes to the pizza deliverer. Ask the person who takes your order.



TRAVEL
Skycap at airport: $1 per bag if you check-in curbside; $2 per bag if skycap takes bags to check-in counter.
Hotel doorman: $1 per bag for help with luggage; $1 per person for hailing a cab
Hotel bellhop: $1 per bag for bringing luggage to your room (but a $2 minimum if you have just one bag)
Hotel housekeeper: $2 to $5* per night
Hotel concierge: $5 for getting you tickets or reservations ($10-plus if they're hard to get). No tip required when you ask for directions.
Cruise: Varies. Ask cruise line about customary gratuities

Link Found Here How Much To Tip
 
No tip? Screw you bitch, you're still wrong.

Hey, I'd rather be wrong and save some money each time I go out for dinner and you'd apparently rather be right and not make that extra money as the server. Too bad you can't be my server every time I go out for dinner !
 
i was always told to general tip 14% of the bill. well in california our sales tax is 7.75% so i just double whatever the tax is. one thing that i do though, if my service is terrible i will just leave a penny on the table. i think it's a reasonable way of informing the server that they need to change their attitude or work better.
 
i think it's fucked up that food service workers have to depend on the charity of the people they serve to make a living. i mean what other job do you have to do a great job the whole time or else be docked wages? the gov't shouldnt tax tips, they should ban them and demand employers to pay better wages.

i hate the whole tipping game and would prefer not to tip but then the servers hate you so i usually give between 10% and 20% depending on service and how much money i have at the time
 
For people that dislike tipping:

  • You get what you pay for.

    When I was a server I would usually fuck around with people that had the gall to come back after tipping me or anyone else that I knew on the floor badly.

    You are cheap.

    Buy and prepare your own food if you are on a budget.


I'm a fair tipper, as I consider it a part of being served.

If I receive bad service, I leave the minimum and a penny on the check head down.
 
I tip for good service and I tip well, considering I'm a student and I leave at least 15% (in the UK 10% is good), but if the service is bad I won't tip. In fact I've asked a resturant to remove a 10% service charge before because of bad service.
I also usually inquire as what happens to a service charge, sometimes the cahrge goes to the company NOT the staff. If this is the case I waive the charge and tip in cash.
 
I am done arguing good tip vs bad tip but being a server and after reading the article I really don't think people should bitch about having to tip a server... BECAUSE if the same poeple who feel we should get an hourly wage actually get thier wish... the cost of your dinner will go up dramastically..... Hey all the restaraunts have to figure a way to start paying all these servers now.... Ultimalty its going to come down to raising the price of the meal...... With that being done now NO server has to work extra hard for that extra buck or two they would see as a tip they would know that kissing a tables ass or ignoring them are still going to bring in the same 8 bucks an hour or 9 bucks an hour etc etc.... If servers in the U.S. were to recieve a higher hourly wage I could almost guarantee that service quality would decline dramastically.. at least with the tip way the person being waited on can tip appropriatly to how thier service really was as well as not have to pay a higher price for their meal if indeed thier service sucked!
 
Squeaks said:
the cost of your dinner will go up dramastically.....

If servers in the U.S. were to recieve a higher hourly wage I could almost guarantee that service quality would decline dramastically..

almost guanantee ??? very dubious.

of course the cost would rise "dramatically" and in the short term of course service quality would decline.

however i have not noticed the service quality being any higher in the US c/f the rest of the world because of the added incentive of "tips".

have you experienced sevice outside NA Squeaks ???

if not you really have no clue !!
 
Kyk said:

Here's a general rule of thumb.

The service was excellent - 15-20%

The service was ok - 10-15%

The service was meh - 10%

The service sucked and you're never coming back - 5% or stiff.

Anyways, that's my philosophy, biased as it may be. - What's yours?

didnt u c "reservoir dogs"???;)

rules suck dick, rules are 4 nerds =D u dont need a philosophy on tippin, what kinda BS is that. u should tip when u feel the need to tip, when ur in a good mood, when ur in a bad mood, when ur not into tippin then u dont tip, tip if u must , i dont care:D i dont tip alot, but when i do....

peace
 
xtcxtc said:

have you experienced sevice outside NA Squeaks ???

if not you really have no clue !!

As a matter of fact I have since I wasnt BORN in the U.S. to begin with... I was born in Greece(The Santorini Islands)... I used to have many family members there as well so I was allways traveling.....

Service is good out there great I would say....

I am just saying to try to change the way resturaunts ru8n things from a tipped scale to an hourly rate would upset many servers which in turn during the transition not only will costs rise in meals but service would certainly not be as good........
 
Re: damn

Originally posted by poopie

fuck it all, webster and i go together and changed it into an acronym, and that's the new meaning. you'll find it in the new 2005 unabridged edition, along with "pleather".

=D
Well websters is an American dictionary isn't it? I can't belive an English dictionary would use insure instead of ensure.
 
Squeaks said:
I am just saying to try to change the way resturaunts run things from a tipped scale to an hourly rate would upset many servers which in turn during the transition not only will costs rise in meals but service would certainly not be as good........

maybe, but if all prices were increased 8% across the board then tips would not cease entirely but would become somewhat more optional.

anyway i appreciate the pleasant response to what may have been a somewhat aggressive post from myself.
 
....if a $10.00 meal turns into a 12.00 meal to pay for server's higher wages instead of a tip, then ultimately the customer is paying the same. it still hurts the server because then they have to pay taxes on the extra money. There arent many servers that claim all their tips. Its their way of "beating the system". I would much rather tip directly to the server and them not have to pay as much in taxes. higher wages mean more money going directly to the government.

and for those who say, "if you dont like my tip, get another job..." serving is one of the few jobs that hard work pays off. i'm more than willing to put in hard work for the customers to get good tips. customers should respect that.
 
poopie said:
damnit! enough with ragging on my semantics, otherwise i'm going to start talking like ali g., bitches.

LOL.

i think have only read about ali g and probably have not even seen a brief clip of him on CNN but he sounds like he would be a great entertainer. would love to see his shows.

also a great admirer of the American comedian Bill Maher who i have only seen on Larry King Live on CNN. imo a very very intelligent guy ( he also lambasts shrub which means i am predisposed to respect him ).
 
if all waiters/waitresses have problems with what they are being paid, quit and find a new job.

I'm unhappy with my job and what I get paid but I don't believe a customer should pay me because my employer is an idiot.
 
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