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Sounds pretty cool on first listen, I think you need to turn the crash down a bit, or choose a different sample. It doesn't have much decay to it- it seems almost choked. The beat/percusion could be louder, but the kick and bass sounded sweet. What sort of processing are you using on the kick and bass btw? I'll post a bit more when i get a chance too.
 
Compression and EQ on the kick, EQ on the bass with a notch at around 50hz -200hz. :) My second track sequenced on Cubase and hell of a lot better than my first. :P
 
Dalfir said:
Compression and EQ on the kick, EQ on the bass with a notch at around 50hz -200hz. :) My second track sequenced on Cubase and hell of a lot better than my first. :P

Do you buss them together, or side-chain the kick to the bassline compressor? Thats a good way to get a nice roll.... Incidentally, thats a wide-arse notch to be cutting; I have often found that boosting an octave up or down from where I cut is effective, but you are cutting reducing two octaves already.

The entire mix is a bit soft; throw a limiter on the mixing buss and pump it a bit. I would also empahasise the drums, but maybe I already said that....

I got a few trax I've just finished, I might post a more 'fullon' style one that I have pieced together. I'm making more minimal progressive now, and its all going quite well.
 
Thanks for the feedback, there is sideschain compression on the bass but the new track I'm doing doesn't, I actually prefer the sound of bass that isn't linked to the kick. Keep things soft for the mastering engineer. :P

The 50 - 200hz cut was recommended by Andi Vax in his mixing tutorial, roughly around that area until the bass stops honking with the kick,
 
And I'm digging your track. Morning style for sure. Makes me think of shrooms and orange juice at sunrise. :P
 
Dalfir said:
The 50 - 200hz cut was recommended by Andi Vax in his mixing tutorial, roughly around that area until the bass stops honking with the kick,

Cheers for the comments dude. That tune I worte is a bit cheesey, but hell, why not?? :) I'm just hoping some label will throw it out for me....8)

As to that notch; I noticed that you still have a phat bassline anyway; BUT, when I ran it thru a basic graphic eq and switched down, say, 80hz only the kick went down. Same through to two hundred.

This is just a suggestion, take it as you will (btw, I'm not commenting on the music at all becuase you've got that set I reckon)-but I would reduce some of the boxiness of the kick (which is in the 250hZ-to-350hZ region) and tighten up the notch on the bass- say from 70hz-140hz- this will mean that you will have more disticntion between kick and bass- then I try to get the highfrequencys to match as closely as possible. A boxy kick, or too much energy in that muddy 200hZto500 and even up a bit section, can really make a track sound low-fi. I usually cut my kicks at around 250, and then reduce my bassline at around 500-600 by a bit, always tightening the Q the more I cut.
 
I definitely need production criticism, I'm starting a 3 year sound engineering course on Monday so hopefully I'll pick up a lot there, but getting advanced tips is great. :P Will try that now...But how do you know when you have hit a sweetspot? I can spend an hour making minor tweaks to my bass listening for subtleties and nuances.

And just to understand the jargon, when you say cut do you mean totally cut those frequencies? That notch on my bass is at -6db...Should it be lower or higher?

A notch would be something like this --------V-------- while a shelf would be something like ______/--------?
 
Dalfir said:
I definitely need production criticism, I'm starting a 3 year sound engineering course on Monday so hopefully I'll pick up a lot there, but getting advanced tips is great. :P Will try that now...But how do you know when you have hit a sweetspot? I can spend an hour making minor tweaks to my bass listening for subtleties and nuances.

I'll see if I can find it, but there is a table that you can use which tells you note=frequency. That doesn't account for harmonics, it is refferring to the fundamental frequency. But the way I find the sweet spot is listening closely to the differnt layers in the note- and usually boost quite a bit until the tone I want is emphasised, then I narrow the Q, empahsising it more; this will require fiddling with the frequency slightly- and perhaps perform a corresponding cut on the kick drum at the same frequency. The point is to get everything seperate. There are heaps of ways of doing it, and soundengineering will really help with all those techniques, even if you are learning in styles of music that you won't ever record. We recorded a really large church choir, absolutely great!! :)

Your production sounds good really; a few things that you will just know eventually will sort it out

And just to understand the jargon, when you say cut do you mean totally cut those frequencies? That notch on my bass is at -6db...Should it be lower or higher?


Its pretty subjective really. I wouldn't totally cut, unless I wanted a very very tight band out. But a general rule of thumb is that when cutting, go down until you hear a difference, and then boost a minute bit. The more you cut, the tighter the Q should get, but don't squeeze it like. -6db is okay, anything is really, but the lower you cut, most eq's will start dragging down more sidefrequencies too; thus the Q tightening, which becomes relative the lower you gogogogogo.

A notch would be something like this --------V-------- while a shelf would be something like ______/--------?

The notch symbol is correct- the shelf symbol you drew represents the curve of a high-pass filter, the ______ being the frequcnies cut, and the / being the slope of the filter but up to the cutoff point. But a shelving-filter at its widest Q is a high-pass filter. The reverse of that symbol is for a low pass filter.

I HATE HATE HATE music and recording jargon, it literally leaves my brain the second it enters, but there are some concepts that are essential to know. You will figure them out eventually, but getting taught and learning is so much more beneficial. Psytrance is surprisingly hard to produce I think...
 
swilow said:
Psytrance is surprisingly hard to produce I think...

For sure...I've always thought of the best producers to be sound engineering geniuses in their own right who just make psytrance to show off new toys. :P

EQed the kick/bass as you suggested on this new track I'm writing...Definitely sounds a lot tighter and together...Thanks. :D
 
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Cool, if you want even post up a simple kick and bassline and we can analyse it. Remember, this is all learning for me too....:)
 
Sweet, I'll post one as well- like swap tips and shit? I am constructing a large samplpak for a trance forum, which I may put a linky to here if you need samples or anything.
 
Can't say how much technical advice I can give, but in terms of plain just-sounding-goodness I can offer some critique. :P

There's nothing better than getting a sample pack with sounds you can recognize from tracks. Kinda lowers the producer off the pedastal and inspires you. :P

Check out www.bomelakiesie.co.za the production forum there is pretty cool and BL's Dr. Suess is a member. :D
 
Dalfir said:
Can't say how much technical advice I can give, but in terms of plain just-sounding-goodness I can offer some critique. :P


Sounds good. The kickbass thing you posted sounded kind of lo-fi. I think a different more clicky kick sample is needed, but thats really a matter of preference. Its a sweet bassline too, groovy! Maybe fiddle around with the 250to 500 or sohZ range on either the kick or bass, a bit of cutting and see which sound best. I generally have a boost on my kick at about 60-80, cut at 150 or therabouts wherein the bassline will sit, and then either cut that 250-300hZ region on either of the two; generally, it would be better to do that on the bass line if you have boosted the region where you've cut the kick!!!!1 8o that doesn;t feel like it makes sense, but my brain is VERRY slow today....in a most delightful manener,. You could try adding a bit more prescene to the entire line, as in lift up the 8kHz and above augtb bit. EEK my hands have steetde goin slow,too.
 
Been a while since I've uploaded anything from sitting on tracks and getting back into my rhythm :D

Main WIPs

http://www.esnips.com/doc/2efe8998-aad0-44c3-b613-564df34cdad2/Breaking_point_v7npp

Breaking Point 170bpm hard dance, levels have been pushed a bit high so theres some distortion, also yet to do some post processing and filtering that I want to on it

http://www.esnips.com/doc/3a504164-b3e8-47a7-aac3-2d91f582c045/ProperGanda

ProperGanda 155bpm full on psy, present for a friends 21st and has some samples of him cut up in it. Also the first track I've tried to produce on the new tower, so damn nice not having the cpu max out on me, freeeedommmmmm

Uni stuff

Some tracks I made for a uni game project that needed them

Intro, orchestral
http://www.esnips.com/doc/2d22f71f-a40e-4076-a9cf-d38b09c5c963/apotheosis_intro

Fightmusic, dnb
http://www.esnips.com/doc/8338c5b2-f7a0-4a17-8aed-30643ccef370/Apoth_swarmfight

Bossmusic, headbleeding
http://www.esnips.com/doc/778f9d88-d5dc-4887-9dea-690adf72e9d8/Apoth_boss_looped

swilow said:
Alright, this is the fullonish morning style song I emntioned. I wrote/recorded it about a year ago, and recenty mastered it in the Reason mastering suite. Let me know what yall think....http://www.esnips.com/doc/cbc7502d-e326-4fe0-846a-7bd6f207f761/Macromicromushroom2

Hey man really liked the track, stays interesting throughout, think you should be able to get some label love with it. Try some of the local psy labels.

dalfir said:
Chemogen - Twilight Industries: Psytrance.

One track I'm really happy with.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/11...Industries.mp3

Also quite cool, very clean quality production and some good atmospheres going on in there :)
 
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